re the Winter-Hjelm by the way, one of his symphonies was performed in Berlin in 1863 according to NZM (Neue Zeitschrift für Musik) (p125 v58) - not sure if anyone has a good chronology of the dates of the two of them, but I know I like to have that sort of information in my iTunes data just because (geeky dork that I am etc.) when I can (or just like to know such things). I don't know which of the two of his symphonies that was, actually... the report just said symphony (in German) and when I wrote that down years back I'd never heard of him, and while I may have heard his 2nd symphony on the radio then I didn't make the connection (my notes have a ? by his name. Yes, I do have all these notes from library visits awhile back of things from NZM concert reports and thelike *oops* - an older magazine, Allgemeine Musik Zeitung, is partially online at google books now with much information of a similar kind in some ways better etc. - and erm... way offtopic and anyway.)