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Title: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: britishcomposer on Friday 03 April 2015, 21:33
This coming Wednesday evening, 8pm, BR-Klassik will broadcast Karl Weigl's 3rd Symphony and the Adagio movement of No. 4:
http://www.br.de/radio/br-klassik/programmkalender/sendung-909066.html (http://www.br.de/radio/br-klassik/programmkalender/sendung-909066.html)
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: sdtom on Friday 03 April 2015, 21:36
I'll have a listen as I'm not familiar with him.
Tom :)
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 03 April 2015, 22:51
I wonder if this might mean a cpo release at some point?
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 04 April 2015, 01:50
Sdtom- we have or had a lot of Karl Ignaz Weigl's music (symphonies, quartets, viola sonata, concertos) in the "Downloads section". Might not still be there though.  Austrian composer, emigrated to the USA, dates 1881-1949.

(I presently have his rather ... Mahler-sized 1st symphony (in E, published 1908 by Universal Edition) on loan from the Free Library of Philadelphia (which has scores & parts to a whole lot of his works in their Fleisher Collection, which doesn't interloan to individuals, just to orchestras & such. I put on a fake mustache and violin strings...))

My guess would be that BIS, which already has two Weigl symphonies (5 & 6) on CDs, might be more likely to issue the recording than cpo, but who knows?...
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: sdtom on Saturday 04 April 2015, 14:20
I'll have a check and see what is there. Thanks for the tip.
Tom :)
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 04 April 2015, 17:02
Any chance of someone taping & uploading the symphony, though I ask as shouldn't I suppose... I think I may be at work at 8pm CET... (I know, I know, it's from 1931, but his style generally speaking tends to be within our remit - I think - such things as the opening of his 5th symphony notwithstanding (a tuning-up section worthy of Ives- or Schnittke (sym.1) - iirc...)
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: Wheesht on Saturday 04 April 2015, 21:07
As I am quite keen to hear this myself, I'll try to record and upload it. My satellite receiver has been quite unpredictable of late, so the recording may come to nothing...
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: sdtom on Monday 06 April 2015, 15:23
Keep us posted as I'm wanting to listen for sure. I wish you luck.
Tom
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: britishcomposer on Wednesday 08 April 2015, 22:00
The announcer said that these recordings were made in coproduction with cpo and will be released shortly. Therefore I will not upload my recordings.
No. 3 took about 48 minutes, only the third movement of No. 4 (14 min.) was recorded and broadcast due to the problematic state of the manuscript.
Both works have never been performed before.
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 08 April 2015, 22:44
if a CD is coming out, then at worst, I can buy it sometime or hear it on the radio (maybe when Radio Stephansdom is playing their "night full of 3rd (or other #) symphonies" - they do that once-a-while, with some offbeat choices- and they webstream) - etc. - so - might hear it sometime anyway; good news, thanks! (Even though, as per usual complaint, cpo takes awhile, yes, yes...)
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 23 April 2015, 01:53
According to Davison, Stephen: The Music of Karl Weigl (1881-1949): a catalog, Symphony 3's 3 movements are Allegro molto, Adagio, Allegro; Symphony No.4 in F minor's (1936) 3 movements are 2 Allegro moderatos (unfortunately unrecoverable according to these reports) followed by Finale. Adagio. All 6 of his symphonies have now been performed in some form... (except for those 2 movements of the 4th) - the first in 1910, the 2nd was at least performed in its original 5-movement version in Bochum on May 2 1924, the 5th was premiered by Stokowski  on 27 October 1968 in Carnegie Hall (American Symphony) and the 5th and 6th have been recorded by BIS.
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: badams@nl.rogers.com on Thursday 23 April 2015, 14:21
Does anybody know if the 3rd movement of the 4th will also be included on the cpo disc?
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: minacciosa on Thursday 23 April 2015, 16:16
The slow movement of Weigl's Symphony No.2 (his grandest symphonic work that is sometimes called Pro Defunctis) was performed in 1989 at the University of Chicago. The entire symphony is inspired by the tragedy of the first World War, and the slow movement is a dirge specifically titled "Pro Defunctis". I'll see if I can upload that performance. It is not such a good performance, perhaps due to the great difficulty of the music generally and a lack of sufficient rehearsal specifically. Tempos are off, but at least you will be able to hear the music.
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 23 April 2015, 17:16
Very kind. Thank you.
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 23 April 2015, 17:45
As to the finale of sym. 4, I think someone mentioned that cpo intends to include that, too.
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: minacciosa on Thursday 20 April 2017, 19:04
If this repertoire was to appear on a cd, it appears to be a chimera. If anyone possesses a recording of the broadcast, would they consider uploading it for us?
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: mjkFendrich on Friday 21 April 2017, 14:30
Hello minacciosa,

I've recorded that broadcast and can post the two works this weekend until cpo will release them on CD some 10 years later ...

Best,
        mjk
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 21 April 2017, 16:19
Thanks in advance on behalf of us all.
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: minacciosa on Friday 21 April 2017, 16:44
Thanks you very much!!!
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: mjkFendrich on Saturday 22 April 2017, 15:25
Hello,

I've just posted my Weigl recordings in the Downloads section, waiting to be approved by the administrators

Best,   mjkF
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 22 April 2017, 18:29
Duly approved - with many thanks.
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: minacciosa on Sunday 23 April 2017, 04:56
Thank you so very much!
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: FBerwald on Sunday 23 April 2017, 07:05
The Cello Concerto will apparently be recorded for CPO with Raphael Wallfisch and the Berlin Konzerthaus Orchestra, conducted by Nicholas Milton.
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: FBerwald on Sunday 23 April 2017, 07:28
What does [Symphony No. 4 - 2 Allegro Moderato's] Unrecoverable mean? I ask because the composer website http://www.karlweigl.org mentions bound full score and parts available.
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 23 April 2017, 08:11
See my post in this thread 4/23/2015 k? (Edit: 1:15 am, not later the day.)
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: FBerwald on Sunday 23 April 2017, 08:33
Ok. I was referring to the information below.... maybe I'm reading it wrong or it's not correct info.

http://www.karlweigl.org/works.php?work=4
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: minacciosa on Sunday 23 April 2017, 21:34
The 4th Symphony full score does exist at NYPL. I saw a version of it years ago, but it wasn't in Weigl's hand; it was a WPA copyist edition from the Fleischer Collection. I remember thinking it may have been unfinished because there was something odd about it. The question remains if the holograph at the library is truly complete. I will try to find out.

The Cello Concerto was recorded earlier this month in Germany. It will be issued along with other concertos by Gal, Reizenstein, Castelnuovo-Tedesco and Goldschmidt as a collection of works by suppressed composers.
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 24 April 2017, 07:45
Re 4th symphony: good.
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 24 April 2017, 10:53
Btw: I note that the upload is in flac format. I wonder whether we could request that, as a general rule, uploads could be in mp3 format?
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: mjkFendrich on Monday 24 April 2017, 12:52
QuoteBtw: I note that the upload is in flac format. I wonder whether we could request that, as a general rule, uploads could be in mp3 format?

I could also provide the tracks as .mp3 files.

Just for myself I prefer .flac in such cases, because the original recording has been in some lossy format (maybe .aac or even .mp2,
I actually don't remember !!),  and transcoding this to a different lossy format normally isn't quite a good idea.
However, I don't want to pretend that this has been a "lossless" (i.e. CD quality) recording.

Best,  mjkF
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 24 April 2017, 16:28
That's fine. Don't worry. It's just that mp3 files are easiest for most people. And please accept our sincere thanks for your upload - the music is wonderful.
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 24 April 2017, 16:45
I've just added mp3s of mjkFenrich's recording to his post in the Downloads Board.
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 24 April 2017, 17:35
Great. Symphony No.3 is heavily indebted to Mahler to my ears, although it's more athletic and less inclined to agonised introspection. If and when it appears on cpo, it'll make a fine addition to the recorded repertoire.
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 24 April 2017, 22:32
Wonder tangentially if there's a large-scale published study of Weigl's music that puts each work in context of the others, noting related themes between works among other things. I've skimmed the work catalog that was published some years back but not the same thing...
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 25 April 2017, 10:55
There's this website...
http://karlweigl.org/ (http://karlweigl.org/)
Title: Re: Karl Weigl - Symphony No. 3
Post by: minacciosa on Wednesday 26 April 2017, 01:48
Weigl was as self-referential a composer as Strauss, Mahler or Korngold. Particularly in melodic shapes, there is an intervallic motive that occurs in nearly all of his mature music. It is comprised of a falling forth followed by a whole step. It can appear anywhere in a melodic statement; it famously begins the 5th Symphony.