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Title: Novak String Quartet no.3 - SWR Classic Archive
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 18 October 2017, 01:16
I don't know if SWR Classic Archive makes things available for download or as CDs, but I did just see this @ NML: the Novák Quartet performing Vitezslav Novak's late (3rd) string quartet (op.66, (in G?), 1938). (I've heard an LP of what may have been a different performance? quite a few times. I uploaded it to our "downloads" section back in the day, but did not provide movement info as I had none to give. This recording lasts 25 minutes in 2 movements: Allegro risoluto, Lento doloroso.) Wonderful work imhonesto. Written around the same time as his cello sonata in G minor (Op.68, 1941) (released on the same LP as the one previous recording of the quartet, and of which there -is- a more modern recording.)


(About as Romantic as his fellow-Dvorak-pupil Josef Suk's string quartet no.2 of a few decades earlier.)
Title: Re: Novak String Quartet no.3 - SWR Classic Archive
Post by: matesic on Wednesday 18 October 2017, 16:28
I'm very impressed by his second quartet, also in two movements. I'll see if I can find your LP upload
Title: Re: Novak String Quartet no.3 - SWR Classic Archive
Post by: matesic on Wednesday 18 October 2017, 16:39
Found the cello sonata on mediafire but no SQ3 - could you possible upload it again?
Title: Re: Novak String Quartet no.3 - SWR Classic Archive
Post by: matesic on Wednesday 18 October 2017, 16:44
Aha - it's in the Naxos Music Library. Sounds like a (very serviceable) mono recording from the 1950's. Definitely romantic!
Title: Re: Novak String Quartet no.3 - SWR Classic Archive
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 18 October 2017, 17:29
It may be the same recording as on the LP. Might be I never did upload it... (edit: no it couldn't, see below!)
Title: Re: Novak String Quartet no.3 - SWR Classic Archive
Post by: matesic on Wednesday 18 October 2017, 17:35
Have you now ditched all your LPs? The last 1500 of mine went a few months ago, all but a few with sentimental associations.

Very nice No3 is, the polka first movement reminding me of Smetana. I see there are a few recordings of No2 but strangely the only recording of No1 I can find are the excerpts on editionsilvertrust.com whose source is undisclosed. Seems like a significant gap in the discography that some young Czech group should fill.
Title: Re: Novak String Quartet no.3 - SWR Classic Archive
Post by: Santo Neuenwelt on Wednesday 18 October 2017, 17:50
Novak's String Quartet No.1 was recorded by the Novak Quartet on  Supraphon LP SUA 105.

Is the download to No.3 in the download library or not?
Title: Re: Novak String Quartet no.3 - SWR Classic Archive
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 18 October 2017, 18:00
 No, fairly sure I never uploaded it after all.
As to my lps, it wasn't even -my- lp, but I can't find the tape or digital copy that may have been made for me either... and yes most of my few lps are now gone i think.

Per http://www.worldcat.org/title/smyccovy-kvartet-c-3-op-66-sonata-g-moll-pro-violoncello-a-klavir-op-68-jednoveta/oclc/3662746&referer=brief_results (http://www.worldcat.org/title/smyccovy-kvartet-c-3-op-66-sonata-g-moll-pro-violoncello-a-klavir-op-68-jednoveta/oclc/3662746&referer=brief_results) Quartet 3 was recorded in 1971.  Maybe the SWR recording is a SWR broadcast archive- which is per the label silly Eric- and coukd well be from the 50s...
Title: Re: Novak String Quartet no.3 - SWR Classic Archive
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 18 October 2017, 18:07
Esp since the lp is (performed by) the Vlach Quartet not the Novák
Title: Re: Novak String Quartet no.3 - SWR Classic Archive
Post by: semloh on Saturday 21 October 2017, 20:34
I think the string quartets of Novak have been inadequately represented on LP and CD. The 1st is a gem (the old Supraphon recording); the 2nd is readily available on a Centaur CD, played by the Kubin Qt.; but the 3rd is unknown to me. It's a poor showing for such fine music.
Title: Re: Novak String Quartet no.3 - SWR Classic Archive
Post by: petershott@btinternet.com on Sunday 22 October 2017, 00:38
The D major quartet - the 2nd - also has a remarkably fine recording by the Smetana Quartet, and is available in a 3 CD set on Supraphon called 'The Best of Czech Classics: String Quartets'. So at least there's some choice as regards this work.

I don't have the "old Supraphon recording" of the 1st, and it seems quite unavailable. And, like Semloh, the 3rd is wholly unknown to me.

But it's strange, given that many of Novak's orchestral works are well represented on disc, that these three quartets seem to have been passed over. As Matesic remarks in an earlier post it would be good indeed if some Czech quartet, whether young or old, took on board these works. I wonder if they get much of a representation in concerts in their own country?
Title: Re: Novak String Quartet no.3 - SWR Classic Archive
Post by: chill319 on Thursday 26 October 2017, 16:23
QuoteNovak's String Quartet No.1 was recorded by the Novak Quartet on  Supraphon LP SUA 105.
In the U.S., that recording was licensed by CBS and released on Crossroads 22 16 0047 (mono) and 22 16 0048 (stereo). The 1899 G-major quartet has perhaps more in common with the earlier Serenade in F major, op. 9, than it does with the music Novak wrote in the following decade.
Title: Re: Novak String Quartet no.3 - SWR Classic Archive
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 26 October 2017, 18:59
Correction: op.9 does not belong to the orchestral serenade in F afaik, which lacks an op # (Marco Polo notwithstanding), but to a piano serenade.
Title: Re: Novak String Quartet no.3 - SWR Classic Archive
Post by: chill319 on Friday 27 October 2017, 15:09
Thanks, Eric. You're right, I was trusting the Marco Polo.

And as long as we're getting details right, let me add that the first quartet has a bit more arching drama in it than the tuneful Serenade in F, even if the quartet is still hewing to an overall idyllic (Fibich-inflected?) line. Novak has moved part of the way toward "In the Tatras."
Title: Re: Novak String Quartet no.3 - SWR Classic Archive
Post by: matesic on Monday 30 October 2017, 09:09
Our quartet played through two movements of the first quartet yesterday! It seems more oblique, modern if you like, than I'd expected for 1902 and well worth reviving. I'll see if I can multitrack it.
Title: Re: Novak String Quartet no.3 - SWR Classic Archive
Post by: matesic on Wednesday 01 November 2017, 08:09
Here's my multitracked rendition of the first quartet. I love the first two movements but unfortunately the finale is a bit rum-ti-tum, more Russian than Czech?  IMSLP says "non-PD EU" but I think that only applies to the sheet music. It didn't flag up any copyright warnings for me anyway.

http://imslp.org/wiki/String_Quartet_No.1,_Op.22_(Nov%C3%A1k,_V%C3%ADt%C4%9Bzslav)#IMSLP498780

Less well in tune but hopefully sounding more realistic than Joshua Bell's Virtual Violin. What's next, Lang Lang's Magic Piano?
Title: Re: Novak String Quartet no.3 - SWR Classic Archive
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 01 November 2017, 14:09
Thanks!
Title: Re: Novak String Quartet no.3 - SWR Classic Archive
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 01 November 2017, 15:57
Yes - thanks, Steve.
Title: Re: Novak String Quartet no.3 - SWR Classic Archive
Post by: cypressdome on Wednesday 01 November 2017, 23:53
The copyright status of the Novák (d.1949) is correct for the E.U.  All of his works will be public domain in the E.U. on Jan. 1, 2020.  Copyright protection covers performance as well.  Perhaps there are no rights holders interested in enforcing that copyright protection.  I looked up the performance rights organizations for the U.K. and Germany but neither had the ability to search for composers or works for which they collect royalties.  I'd like to see the royalty checks that the heirs of Richard Strauss (d.1949) have been enjoying for the past 68 years for the performance of his works some of which were composed as long ago as the 1880s.  Lastly, add my name to the list of listeners grateful for your many performances of Romantic-era chamber music.
Title: Re: Novak String Quartet no.3 - SWR Classic Archive
Post by: matesic on Thursday 02 November 2017, 12:33
I hope cypressdome (thank you!) can clarify my confusion about the performance rights of copyright-protected works as applied to recordings. I played Nowak 1 from a legitimate Simrock edition. Obviously the act of recording the piece privately can't be illegal. Am I violating performance rights by uploading the mp3s to IMSLP (from the EU), or is IMSLP in violation by hosting them, presumably knowing where they came from? Or is it the act of downloading the files or streaming them that's illegal in the EU - not the performer's but the listener's responsibility!
Title: Re: Novak String Quartet no.3 - SWR Classic Archive
Post by: cypressdome on Saturday 04 November 2017, 02:14
While private performances are alright my understanding is that a public performance (even one in which the performers charge nothing) would be a violation of copyright.  As for the recording uploaded to IMSLP it ends up on the site's Canadian server where it is in the public domain so IMSLP is not in violation for hosting it.  As for accepting an upload from a country in which the work is still under copyright I don't know if that puts IMSLP in violation. As for you uploading a work that is still under copyright to a location in which it is in the public domain I have no idea how the law treats that.  If you have concerns I would suggest you ask Carolus (http://imslp.org/wiki/User:Carolus) over at IMSLP as he is the site's copyright expert.