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Title: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 16 June 2017, 12:20
Hadrianus tells us:

Regarding that deleted CD with Martin Scherber's 2nd Symphony, I have arranged that the remaining stock is being offered till end of July by Music Web at a special price:

http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2017/Jun/Adriano%20special%20offer.htm (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2017/Jun/Adriano%20special%20offer.htm)

I am in charge of the deliveries.
Take this opportunity, the music is great!

Do take advantage of this generous offer!
Alan Howe/Moderator

Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: adriano on Friday 16 June 2017, 17:06
... and it also looks as if there would be a remaining stock of the CD with Scherber's Third Symphony! The person responsible just left for a holiday, so I can confirm this only after July 3rd.
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 16 June 2017, 20:14
Thanks, Adriano.
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on Monday 17 July 2017, 08:32
Just had a listening to the 2nd symphony last Sunday evening. What a glorious work this is, with some beautiful unfolding string melodies, hammering and pounding brass marches. Great. I only wonder about the track listing. The CD says 5 tracks but there's no information about that in the informative booklet and the work plays without any pauses at all. Puzzling....
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 17 July 2017, 16:31
Well, his symphonies were published by Kurras (symphonies 1 &2 , at least the latter an autograph facsimile ) and Bosanhek (symphony 3 - autograph fac) in 1971, 1972 & 1971, so at least they hopefully exist somewhere outside of barely accessible ultralocked university manuscript dungeons ;) and the scores can be consulted (... in principle) to answer these questions? Will check further a bit if I can with what I have before I rush off to work (sorry!!...)

(St Pancras (British Library) is said by Worldcat to have a copy of the Kurras publication of symphony 2, if a Londoner wants to put that on their list of things to skim next they visit the library, or something, etc. Don't know if it works that way or if St Pancras is a loan-only-for-money-only (no reading on premises) sort of library - I should have thought to check it out back in summer 1999 (my last time I spent a week in London...) but didn't.)

Also seem to be copies of the score of no.2 @ Northwestern U (US), the Sorbonne (Paris), at least one (each) Irish, Dutch and German libraries, etc. And of course ÖNB Vienna (http://data.onb.ac.at/rec/AC09127662).

(Hrm. Actually, Kurras and Bosannek have both issued symphony 2 in published score. The latter is a facsimile. The former might be engraved/typeset; not sure from the info I have. FWIW... :) Likewise true/mutatis mutandis uncertainty, I think, of sym. 1 in d.) Also some chamber music listed on Worldcat- a 2 vn/piano trio, one or two other works. FWIW again.

(Reminder to self, start thread or look for thread on Halm later. Cheers)
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: adriano on Monday 17 July 2017, 17:37
@eschiss1
Before he passed away I discussed with my friend Friedwart Kurras about making accessible scores of these three Symphonies.
Of Symphony 1 (score and parts) I have already made digital scans for my own recording. These manuscripts are quite readable, Symphony 1 not all too perfectly. But it was not a "Kurras" affair, officially it was a Brucknerkreis thing. The Publisher of Symphony 3 is Peermusic Classics.
As soon as I have more time I can take up this matter and let you know.
But don't forget, it's still copyighted music, and for all copy made a special permission is needed!
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: adriano on Monday 17 July 2017, 17:46
@Yashokvsky
Scherber did not like to subvidide his Symphonies into movements, so it was decided to make of Symphony No. 2 just one track. Five "sections" may be recognised. His metamorphic build-up spans over the whole work, from beginning to the end.
However, as far as my recording of Symphony 1 is concerned, I decided to make of it a 4-track thing. But the work has no a single separate movement indication in the score.
But, since after some longer genaral pauses the orchestra starts a quite different "metarphosis", one can guess that the composer was perhaps hesitating between a movement separation or a long pause.
By the way, Scherber's tempi are very laconically indicated. In a composer's note, the interpreter can decide himself what is appropriate within an allegro or so, even a few Metronome idications are just "orientations". Whilst studying ths score, I noticed that one has to establish a "main metronome" tempo and make all other depending from it. Once this has been found out, the Symphony flows perfectly. This 1st Symphony is only 29 mintes long, compared to the more expansive other ones!
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 17 July 2017, 17:59
Quote(St Pancras (British Library) is said by Worldcat to have a copy of the Kurras publication of symphony 2, if a Londoner wants to put that on their list of things to skim next they visit the library, or something, etc. Don't know if it works that way or if St Pancras is a loan-only-for-money-only (no reading on premises) sort of library

One cannot take books out of the British Library. They must be read on the premises in the designated Reading Rooms. Persons applying to become Readers must provide two pieces of personal identity (in the UK it is usually a Passport or Driving Licence + a utility bill - don't know how it works for non-UK nationals). They must also make a convincing case why they need to be a Reader (this sounds onerous, but usually it is enough to show that the work(s) one wishes to consult are available nowhere else in the UK, or only at other copyright libraries). But one cannot just stroll in and ask to see something, especially since not everything is kept on site and some things may take 24 or even 48 hours to arrive from repositories elsewhere in the country. That said, most of the scores we are interested in on this forum are held on site and can be ordered up from the stacks fairly quickly.
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 17 July 2017, 18:48
@hadrianus- certainly. Fairly sure the editions in question will be copyright everywhere for quite some time, I think, though since the publications were published more than 25 years ago the autograph manuscripts themselves _may_ no longer be copyright protected from being separately scanned/used as the basis of a new edition/... (manuscript copyright law is a bit complicated.) (as to protection- in the US, anyway. In Canada and the EU everything he composed, iirc, is protected until 2025 and 2045 respectively (1974+51 / 1974+71.))

(Not an issue in this case since unlike in some other cases, the autographs, I suspect, are probably being held quite securely by the Scherber Gesellschaft-or-similar-name)
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 17 July 2017, 18:53
Gareth Vaughan-
"One cannot take books out of the British Library."

Ah, was just referring to reading on premises, as one can or could do (without borrowing from, at least in my case) with the Research Library of the Library of the Performing Arts in NYC (which used to be, but no longer is I think, part of the Lincoln Center Library @ New York City. I think it's in a separate building and requires advance requests now.) As to needing to be a Reader etc., interesting. Hrm.

Closer-by, LoC (https://lccn.loc.gov/unk84084224) may have it, though the "unk" in unk84084224 is not promising (as I've had explained to me by librarians there, not every item with a "unk"nown in their catalog is actually necessarily in their stacks. Some of them are. Worth asking. OTOH asking a librarian to thumb through a score to find the movement headings seems a bit much; hopefully they're actually on the 2nd page, or something. As often, though... well, maybe I should send an email to LoC... (unless, @hadrianus, since you also have the score, you have some time this summer to check the aforementioned movement headings - or since there are probably lots of tempo changes, maybe to see what headings correspond to the 5 tracks of the recording (I should see if I can get a chance to hear that soon myself. Will make an effort to)- or something...?? Cheers! :D )
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: adriano on Monday 17 July 2017, 20:57
I don't have this score anymore, I borrowed it 2 years ago, to return it to the Brucknerkreis after a few weeks. But, as soon as I have time - and Kurras' succesor has returned from holidays - I will arrange for scans and "perusal scans".
Please realize that I am very busy with various projects at the moment and can occupy myself with new matters only later in autumn; you have to remain without knowing those sections' timings until then.
In Europe, composer's copyright extend to 70 years after his death, and MS coprights are an individual matter, provided it has not been published in the form of a rental score. In the latter cases, there are strict rules over here. The onwer decide upon autographs or hndmade copies, and they also decide upon rental or perusal charges. Should any Library have one of those scores in the form of photocopies, the Brucknerkreis and I just wonder how the got there.
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 23 July 2017, 15:20
Apologies if I implied that I was in a frantic screaming hurry :) (actually, my avoidance-level panic was reserved for Academy of Peer Services modules some of which I was trying to get done by Friday and one of which I actually managed to finish (not that they're any of them so difficult)- too much information, sorry.) So far as I'm concerned when you can get to it is fine :) I don't seem to yet have (wholly legitimate?) access to a recording in any case, I think. I may have heard it on WQXR or Radio Stephansdom or somewhere, my memory jogs me, some time back, but of course it would be good to again. Of course even prior to audition it "sounds" interesting enough- intriguing enough anyway - and hoping that it finds a sponsor so that it can be available more generally. (I have bought from Records International- not yet from Musicweb - but even then only once or twice, as against more often, back when I got CDs, from Amazon and elsewhere...)

Do the recordings of symphony no.2 say "B minor" on the frontispiece? Worldcat seems to suggest they do. (The scores as listed in Worldcat suggest the keys are no.1 in D minor, no.2 in F minor, no.3 in B minor. There's also a piano trio and a couple of other things by him recordings of which might be easier to make (than symphonies) (logistically, 3 people vs. 200,000,000,000,000,000,000*; permission would still need having) but no idea at present whether they're recorded or worth having etc.

Thanks!

*exaggerating by lots for fun, sorry... though as a fan of Sorabji's Jami symphony (heard so far only in an - enjoyable imho - synthesized version) - truly well-handled superlarge-orchestra, superheavy counterpoint works (thinking also Vermeulen 5, some other things) don't put _me_ off...
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 23 July 2017, 17:34
The front cover of the CD clearly says "B minor":

(http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2017/Jun/scherber.jpg)
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 23 July 2017, 22:06
Huh. Odd. (http://cornell.worldcat.org/title/ii-symphonie-in-f-moll/oclc/906403460) Also see Symphony no.2 in B minor (= Symphony no.2 in F minor) (http://cornell.worldcat.org/title/symphony-no-2-in-b-minor-1951-52-sinfonie-no-2-in-f-moll/oclc/774251091).
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 23 July 2017, 23:24
Very odd.
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 23 July 2017, 23:38
Whether either is right or wrong may be easy to determine or may not. (Hrm. Does the first movement's main section - assuming it has a main fast section possibly preceded by a slower section - begin with a theme complex stated in a fairly definite key (key, here -- ignoring major/minor _mode_)? Is it B minor or F minor? E.g.)
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: adriano on Monday 24 July 2017, 06:34
Sorry there is still no possibility for me to get this score. Be patient and don't spend your energies for such things which may be cleared easily once I have received the music!
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: adriano on Monday 24 July 2017, 18:53
I just had a long telephone call with a Brucknerkreis responsible in Nürnberg. I will receive scores of Symphonies 2 and 3 by postal parcel next week.
It seems that they are planning to have all three Symphonies scanned with some professional system à la SharpEye or Cappella, meaning that autographs will be trasnformed into print-like scores.
I only have PhotoScore, which is quite a deception...
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 24 July 2017, 22:15
By 'deception' do you mean 'disappointment'?
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 25 July 2017, 01:23
French for disappointed is "deçu" iirc, perhaps similar in related other languages, I see where that question comes from...
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: adriano on Tuesday 25 July 2017, 10:21
That's it, sorry, but my native language is Italian. And there we use "deluso", but since I speak very well French, I though in French this time. I can write and think in 4 languages - so very often there's a big confusion in my brain.
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 25 July 2017, 12:47
It's no problem at all. Just clarifying...
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 27 July 2017, 23:08
Hrm. FWIW Musicweb (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2016/Jul/Scherber_sys_05116.htm) also has symphony no.2 in F minor.
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: adriano on Wednesday 02 August 2017, 12:03
Scherber's Symphony No. 2 (CD Cascade 05116):
Since MusicWeb's offer has now ended, I am offering this item for sale at GBP 12.00 (including postage) or 14 Euros. Since postage charges were higher than expected, I made quite a "loss" with that MusicWeb sale. You can contact me via messenger in here.
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 02 August 2017, 12:13
I'm sorry to hear about the loss you incurred. Thanks from all of us for keeping the offer open.
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: adriano on Wednesday 02 August 2017, 13:48
Thanks, Alan :-)
Will be coming back soon regarding eventual "tracks" or "sections" in Symphony No. 2.
I have the score of Symphony 3 in front of me. This is another Scherber-typical one movement affair, but on the last page there is a metioning about 12 "members", with indications on which page each would start, and these are mainly in places without stops. However, these are not in the composer's handwriting and may have been done posthumously.
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: sdtom on Wednesday 02 August 2017, 19:50
just found out about the offer and ordered it.
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: adriano on Thursday 03 August 2017, 06:58
@sdtom
This (MusicWeb) offer is now expired, it worked only during a month.
What I mean is that I now offer this CD myself. Orders can be placed by writing to me through the UC messenger, with indication of address etc.
Unfortunately, only bank payments are accepted.
But I am still trying to have this CD available through Wyastone as a distributor - or ArkivMusic...
We have some 200 copies left!
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: adriano on Monday 07 August 2017, 14:50
I have now the score of Scherber's 2nd Symphony in front of me - and the key indication is "F-Moll" for sure. The indication "B minor" on the CD cover appears to be an embarassing mistake...
There are no extra indications on sections or movements in the score, in other words it's again a definite one-movement affair. Once I will find some more time, I could indicate "positions" of some theoretical tracks which could have been done for an easier listening (like I have in the case of my recording of Symphony No. 1)
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Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 07 August 2017, 14:52
Thanks much!!
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 07 August 2017, 17:59
It's good to know for sure. Thanks!
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: sdtom on Friday 18 August 2017, 17:07
QuoteThanks, Alan :-)
Will be coming back soon regarding eventual "tracks" or "sections" in Symphony No. 2.
I have the score of Symphony 3 in front of me. This is another Scherber-typical one movement affair, but on the last page there is a metioning about 12 "members", with indications on which page each would start, and these are mainly in places without stops. However, these are not in the composer's handwriting and may have been done posthumously.

Is it possible to get #1 and #3?
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 19 August 2017, 02:52
Er, what?? That looked like a quote.

Maybe the last line of the quote was your question? Maybe if you edit your quote to make that clearer, next time. Or maybe not. Up to you!

One may be able to borrow or view the scores of the symphonies from/at:

Symphony no.1 (1938 rev. 1952) - (Bosannek edition) French National Library, Openbare Bibliotheek Amsterdam, Musik-Akademie der Stadt Basel, University of Calgary Library , U. of Edinburgh Main Library, University of Manchester Library, Universitätsbibliothek Würzburg, Bayerische Staatsbibliothek, Universitat Zürich, Swiss National Library @ Bern, New England Conservatory of Music Harriet Spaulding Library @ Boston, Boston University Mugar Memorial Library, Virginia Commonwealth University Libraries (Richmond), Northwestern University Library, University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign Library, Monroe Library @ Loyola University New Orleans, University of Manitoba Libraries (Winnipeg), Seattle Pacific University Library, San Francisco Conservatory of Music Library, Leabharlann Náisiúnta na hÉireann (National Library of Ireland) @ Dublin, University of Bristol Library, British Library St Pancras, University of Cape Town Libraries , University of Auckland, General Library, State Library of Victoria, University of Adelaide, Royal Danish Library - Aarhus, LIBRIS Sweden, Bibliothèque Cantonale et Universitaire - Lausanne, Université de Montréal, U. Sorbonne Library Paris4, etc.

The score of symphony 1 is being offered by a 3rd party for USD95 (https://www.amazon.com/Symphonie-D-moll-facsimile-composers-autograph/dp/B0000D2U6O) over amazon.com. The 2nd and 3rd symphony published scores are somewhat more expensive.
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 19 August 2017, 09:47
I've tidied up Tom's post, Eric.
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: adriano on Saturday 19 August 2017, 12:10
Thanks, eschiss1 :-)
In the meantime we found out in the late Friedmann Kurras's archive that he and his circle had provided for facsimile prints of all 3 Symphonies and even made a list of all the Libraries he had sent free copies. That costed the Brucknerkreis a fortune, since they made hundreds of copies - all nicely linen-bound!
There are still many copies left in Friedwart's cellar. Depending on what you members in here would be willing to pay over 50 Euros (excl. postage), I could arrange despatches. It is obvious that only Libraries and Universities are entitled to get free copies.
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: sdtom on Saturday 19 August 2017, 14:34
That was a quote from Hadrianus
I only asked for #1 and #3 and still haven't been given an answer yet.
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: adriano on Saturday 19 August 2017, 16:44
Well, sdtom, that was meant as an answer for you too :-)
Suppose you mean scores - and not the CDs...
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 19 August 2017, 17:45
I suspect Tom may have meant CDs....
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Post by: adriano on Sunday 20 August 2017, 06:42
In this case, sdtom, I confirm having still a small stock of both Symphonies 2 and 3 for sale - for 15.00 Pds each including postage. Orders can be placed via private messenger in here, indicating your address - and I will communicate my my IBAN account. The Brucknerkreis Nürnberg has still some 150 copies of Symphony No. 2 in their own stock, but the CD with Symphony 3 is practically sold-out. Presently I am trying to have them distributed by Wyastone/Sterling - and wait for an answer/offer.
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: sdtom on Sunday 20 August 2017, 18:21
Alan you know me too well! ;D
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Post by: sdtom on Tuesday 22 August 2017, 15:17
There are two other people in the building that really like it. We had a nice discussion about it, like a book club. His second symphony is done well :)
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Post by: sdtom on Tuesday 05 September 2017, 16:17
https://wordpress.com/posts/naxos2017.wordpress.com (https://wordpress.com/posts/naxos2017.wordpress.com)

I like the work and will retun to it again. I feel it is an extension of what Bruckner might be.
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: adriano on Tuesday 05 September 2017, 20:18
What has this link to do with Martin Scherber and with Naxos, sdtom?
One needs a password to enter...
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Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 05 September 2017, 22:47
https://naxos2017.wordpress.com/2017/09/03/symphony-no-2-martin-scherber/ (https://naxos2017.wordpress.com/2017/09/03/symphony-no-2-martin-scherber/) is the link I think he meant?  (To SDTom - your link to modify is not the same as our link to view.)
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Post by: adriano on Wednesday 06 September 2017, 16:37
I see, but why on earth has this to be published on a site about new Naxos releases???
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Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 06 September 2017, 17:59
Yes, that is a bit odd. Tom?
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Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 07 September 2017, 05:29
I'm a bit confused too given that to my knowledge Naxos doesn't even distribute the CD (in the US anyway) (do they? I don't see Scherber on NML or elsewhere within Naxos' general extended orbit. Might be wrong. I'd like to hear at least one of his extended works that way, of course...)
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: adriano on Thursday 07 September 2017, 06:13
As written earlier, this CD is officially not available anymore. I also mentioned that I am trying to have some 120 left over copies sold by Sterling via Wyastone. They are considering the matter... His "extended works" are but Symphonies 2 and 3, the 1st one (due for release in one month or so) goes only for 29 minutes. This CD will also feature 40 of his short piano songs (many on texts from "Des Knaben Wunderhorn").
Scherber did not write other orchestral works.
See his Website:
http://www.martin-scherber.de/
There is also some text in English.
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Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 07 September 2017, 11:38
Worldcat turned up mention of a trio for 2 violins and piano although now that I look at it the piano score is all of "11 S." (11 pages) so maybe not so extended :( - maybe more a work for student players, or somesuch... Worldcat also lists piano reductions Scherber made of Bruckner symphonies, and piano works called "Das ABC" (anyone know if this is an interesting work? :) (Ah, 15 minutes from it are on YouTube, hrm, will go listen later... sorry!- can just go check, and will. There's also a piano-duet performance of about 22 minutes - somewhat less than half - of symphony 2 with the composer and Willi Held-- ... hello.) )

Was Martin Scherber related to Ferdinand Scherber (1874-1944) by the way?

Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: adriano on Friday 08 September 2017, 06:19
The piano duet is a transcription of his First Symphony.
Instead of consulting Worldcat, you should consult the Scherber Website - as already advised.
Ferdinand Scherber was of Austrian origins. Martin Scherber was a Bavarian; his father a double bass player in the Nuremberg Opera Orchestra
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Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 08 September 2017, 12:52
there are iirc two different piano duet recording videos-without-images on that same YouTube account. I think one claims to be from his 2nd and one from his 3rd symphony. They could both actually be from the 1st symphony though- I didn't manually check the key, should have...
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Post by: adriano on Friday 08 September 2017, 16:10
Wait until the CD of the 1st Symphony is issued, then you can compare. Is it such an urgent matter?
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Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 08 September 2017, 18:33
Nope! (And it is true that if the tape of the recording is off a bit, then it may be hard to tell F minor from D minor, e.g.- "is that E-flat minor opening a very flat tape of F minor or a slightly sharp D minor - or is this one of those symphonies that doesn't open "in" the key on the cover but only gets there eventually - etc. etc." (like Bruckner 8, opening in F minor and taking its very good time to feel like C minor--- just for example...) etc.  - so yes, trying to judge what an unknown work is (even knowing that it's one of a given list of 3) from a recording of "an excerpt" and listening for the central tonic of the opening themes, is not a thing, agreed :)
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Post by: adriano on Saturday 09 September 2017, 08:40
Thje First Symphony opens very naturally - and simply - in D minor - and ends up into the same key. The first two bars are a string's unisono D, and then the first chorale rises in the brass section.
All three of his Symphonies start and end in the main key - this is his technique of having his metarphoses sorting out, developing and cyclically returning back to the daparture.
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Post by: sdtom on Thursday 21 September 2017, 22:54
I am enjoying his third symphony right now.  I'm sure at some point I'll get his first but for now 2 and 3 are quite nice. Both are truly unsung pieces.
Tom :)
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Post by: adriano on Saturday 11 November 2017, 10:38
Dear Members :-)
The STERLING CD with Martin Scherber's First Symphony is now available. Hope you like my interpretation!
Catalog Number CDS-1113-2.
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Post by: UnsungMasterpieces on Saturday 11 November 2017, 12:00
I can't find any mention of it on the internet.
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 11 November 2017, 16:29
It's always worth checking Amazon:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B076ML3Z2D/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B076ML3Z2D/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1)
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Post by: adriano on Saturday 11 November 2017, 17:08
In any case, the German sponsor has already received his free copies, and mine are on the way too. How Amazon reacts is their own problem. I am almost sure it will be for sale within 1-2 weeks.
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Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Saturday 11 November 2017, 17:14
Not surprisingly, it does not appear to be on the Sterling website - but I have noticed they are always slow to update.
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Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 11 November 2017, 22:36
Quoteit does not appear to be on the Sterling website

Nor is the Beliczay release.
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Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 12 November 2017, 12:08
Bo is now a member here, so maybe he'll be able to confirm availability.
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Post by: sdtom on Friday 02 February 2018, 18:42
Naxos has made the first as a download full of errors (drat) but I need to listen to it more.
Tom
PS I've been real sick with Irritably Bowel Syndrome which put me in the hospital for a few weeks. I lost 40 pounds, yikes
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 02 February 2018, 22:45
Oh, I'm sure we're all very sorry to hear that. Are you now back home and recovering?
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: adriano on Saturday 03 February 2018, 07:03
Will tell Bo about those downloads,
I feel sorry to hear about your health problem, sdtom. Let's call ourselves brothers! I am suffering from irritable bowels/colon since ages. Besides this, with old age, various food intolerances joined the fun... We are also "bowels brothers" of Beethoven, Tchaikovsky & Co. This is also a proof that wer are over-sensitive, and, last but not least, irritable bowels people don't get intestine cancer.
And read this:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/aug/04/mark-ravenhill-intolerance-opera

(writing now for Alan: "Let's go back to the theme...") 8)
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 03 February 2018, 09:36
Not to worry. I suffer from IBS too! Too much information on my part, so back to the topic!!!!
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: Ilja on Saturday 03 February 2018, 13:30
Although I like the symphony, I have to admit I would have preferred to be able to download *just* the symphony in iTunes, without getting the other works as well. Normally I don't find this a huge problem, but the remainder of this disc is in such a different genre (lieder with piano accompaniment) that it leads to a weirdly hybrid combination.


Despite that minor moan, I'm glad to now have all the symphonies by this odd composer.
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: adriano on Saturday 03 February 2018, 16:47
I know, Ilja, but there was no other choice. Scherber did not write other works for orchestra. And I did not want to have him coupled with another composer; anway, this would have caused 50% less sponsoring - and made the CD impossible. It's a fully sponsored production, the merit goes to the Brucknerkreis, and only in third place to Sterling. I dare to place myself in the second place...
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: der79sebas on Saturday 03 February 2018, 18:03
...and I place myself in the fourth place, acting as Nokia between you and the Brucknerkreis :-)
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: adriano on Saturday 03 February 2018, 18:37
I see I am watched, I must be careful what I say :-)
Hi to you, my Vienna friend; so let's give you the third place instead, if you agree...
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: sdtom on Sunday 04 February 2018, 17:09
you're too modest Adriano. First place belongs to you.
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: Ilja on Sunday 04 February 2018, 17:24
Quote from: hadrianus on Saturday 03 February 2018, 16:47
I know, Ilja, but there was no other choice. Scherber did not write other works for orchestra. And I did not want to have him coupled with another composer; anway, this would have caused 50% less sponsoring - and made the CD impossible. It's a fully sponsored production, the merit goes to the Brucknerkreis, and only in third place to Sterling. I dare to place myself in the second place...


I understand; it would hardly be possible to find a suitable composer for a combination, anyway. Büttner perhaps, but even then...
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: ptan54 on Wednesday 04 March 2020, 05:55
A longtime lurker, first time poster. 
I have discovered so many hidden classics from Sterling & CPO and other labels via this forum!
Have just purchased the Martin Scherber symphony #1 Sterling release on iTunes.
Wishing that symphonies #2 and #3 were available on iTunes as well! 
And +1 to Paul Buttner - I have the Sterling Buttner #4 on iTunes, here's to hoping for #1-3 at some point in future!
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: semloh on Wednesday 04 March 2020, 07:13
Nice to hear from you, ptan54. Welcome to non-lurking!
Title: Re: Martin Scherber Symphony 2 CD available again!!
Post by: adriano on Wednesday 04 March 2020, 10:23
As already mentioned in another posting, a new (and excellent) recording of Scherber's Third will be available on CD soon. Christoph Schlüren is the conductor of this world premier concert performance, which took place in Barcelona last December.
Will let you know more details in due time.
I still have a small left-over stock of this Symphony's older recording by the Cascade label.