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#1
Composers & Music / Re: Mystery
Last post by Alan Howe - Today at 20:25Nor do I, sadly. However, there is, I am sure, a piece of music very much like VW's Tallis Fantasia written (I think) by an American composer. Trouble is, I can't remember who.
#2
Composers & Music / Re: Mystery
Last post by Gareth Vaughan - Today at 20:00It sounds very much to me as if it were written specifically for the movie. I don't find it particularly distinguished.
#3
Composers & Music / Re: Mystery
Last post by Theodore S. - Today at 19:54I have done a bit more research - there's a good chance that this is original music for the film. However, it's very likely not by Robert Folk. The film has had a very troubled production (over 30 years in the making!), and Robert Folk's soundtrack was written for an official studio cut (called the Princess and the Cobbler), while this clip is from a fan reconstruction of the original material; also, Folk's music is very Disney-musical-esque, and his soundtrack can be heard on YouTube.
The man who lead the team effort to reconstruct the movie from its original material, Garret Gilchrist, had this to say about this opening music:
"Much of the music in The Thief workprint isn't known to us. Some of it is clearly original, including the opening overture. Some of it we've been able to identify, including the frequent use of Scheherezade.
The Recobbled Cut has included classical pieces and portions of the Princess and the Cobbler/Arabian Knight score, but the additional music has not yet been added to the Mark 4 version."
(Here is the page this quote comes from: https://orangecow.org/board/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3&p=559&hilit=opening#p559)
If this music truly is part of an original soundtrack, my personal hypothesis is that the composer may have used the Tallis Fantasia as an inspiration. This is based on another video of an early animation test of the same opening sequence, but which actually uses the Tallis Fantasia as the background music. Perhaps this piece was written in a similar way to the soundtracks in the Star Wars franchise, for which John Williams basically made his own versions of existing pieces (Rite of Spring, Rachmaninoff's Symphony no. 2, etc.).
However, being that no definitive answer exists as yet, I think there is still a possibility that this piece does come from a less-known work of classical music, as it was clearly composed and orchestrated to a very high standard, comparable with most known romantic pieces. While there are other apparently original tracks in the film's score which are comparable to classical pieces, a lot of other known tracks aren't similar to this one at all. As such, I leave the question open, as there may be someone here or elsewhere who will recognize this piece. (My guess is that the hypothetical romantic-era composer of this piece would have been from Great Britain, judging by the style.) In any case, I'll do some more research on the topic.
The man who lead the team effort to reconstruct the movie from its original material, Garret Gilchrist, had this to say about this opening music:
"Much of the music in The Thief workprint isn't known to us. Some of it is clearly original, including the opening overture. Some of it we've been able to identify, including the frequent use of Scheherezade.
The Recobbled Cut has included classical pieces and portions of the Princess and the Cobbler/Arabian Knight score, but the additional music has not yet been added to the Mark 4 version."
(Here is the page this quote comes from: https://orangecow.org/board/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3&p=559&hilit=opening#p559)
If this music truly is part of an original soundtrack, my personal hypothesis is that the composer may have used the Tallis Fantasia as an inspiration. This is based on another video of an early animation test of the same opening sequence, but which actually uses the Tallis Fantasia as the background music. Perhaps this piece was written in a similar way to the soundtracks in the Star Wars franchise, for which John Williams basically made his own versions of existing pieces (Rite of Spring, Rachmaninoff's Symphony no. 2, etc.).
However, being that no definitive answer exists as yet, I think there is still a possibility that this piece does come from a less-known work of classical music, as it was clearly composed and orchestrated to a very high standard, comparable with most known romantic pieces. While there are other apparently original tracks in the film's score which are comparable to classical pieces, a lot of other known tracks aren't similar to this one at all. As such, I leave the question open, as there may be someone here or elsewhere who will recognize this piece. (My guess is that the hypothetical romantic-era composer of this piece would have been from Great Britain, judging by the style.) In any case, I'll do some more research on the topic.
#4
Composers & Music / Re: Mystery
Last post by Alan Howe - Today at 13:40My guess would be something similar.
#5
Composers & Music / Re: Mystery
Last post by TerraEpon - Today at 13:11I wager it was written by Robert Folk for the film. But I could be wrong.
#6
Composers & Music / Re: Mystery
Last post by semloh - Today at 09:35This is intriguing. It certainly sounds like VW. and the same or similar music seems to be in the backgrouind of some of the many preliminary cartoon sketches stored in the Internet Archive. It may take some time to identify - unless one of our wonderful UC members recognizes it. 
#7
Composers & Music / Mystery
Last post by Theodore S. - Today at 08:31Hello everyone,
This is a bit of a silly question, but I can't figure this out - does anyone recognize the piece in this video? It's from the opening of the animated film "The Thief and the Cobbler", but I ask as the soundtrack makes use of a number of existing classical pieces, and this seems like it could be one of them. There are playlists on YouTube that include various pieces from the movie, but this piece isn't really included - also, IMDB provides no information on the classical tracks in the music at all. Initially I thought it might be from Vaughan William's Tallis Fantasia (as the soundtrack includes the piece), but the theme doesn't appear there and woodwinds can be heard towards the end. It's possible this is a really famous piece that I just don't recognize (as there are some more famous composers I don't really listen to), but I'd still like to know. It's clearly a romantic piece, and a very lovely one at that.
If anyone knows, please let me know!
Theodore
This is a bit of a silly question, but I can't figure this out - does anyone recognize the piece in this video? It's from the opening of the animated film "The Thief and the Cobbler", but I ask as the soundtrack makes use of a number of existing classical pieces, and this seems like it could be one of them. There are playlists on YouTube that include various pieces from the movie, but this piece isn't really included - also, IMDB provides no information on the classical tracks in the music at all. Initially I thought it might be from Vaughan William's Tallis Fantasia (as the soundtrack includes the piece), but the theme doesn't appear there and woodwinds can be heard towards the end. It's possible this is a really famous piece that I just don't recognize (as there are some more famous composers I don't really listen to), but I'd still like to know. It's clearly a romantic piece, and a very lovely one at that.
If anyone knows, please let me know!
Theodore
#8
Recordings & Broadcasts / Re: Mario Pilati CD reissue
Last post by Maury - Today at 05:04These Pilati CDs are very well done and interesting. Another fine composer cut down in his 30s. the cruelest decade for composers. Even though these fall outside the dates limit of the Forum, to me they are still late Romantic music. Pilati seems very talented and it's a shame about his early death, although its unclear musically what would have happened if he had lived 20 or 30 years more. I also enjoy his atmospheric Flute Sonata.
#9
Composers & Music / Re: Ferdinand Thieriot
Last post by Maury - Today at 02:42Thanks for this thread. I purchased a CD of Theriot's chamber works (Octet in B flat and a Quintet). Very satisfying music. I hope more of his chamber works can be issued. As for the symphonies the outlook is increasingly dim IMO because of the economics. I did like the Symphony 5.
#10
Composers & Music / Re: Ferdinand Thieriot
Last post by Alan Howe - Yesterday at 16:56Of Thieriot's contemporaries I'd completely forgotten about Ernst Rudorff (1840-1916) whose terrific 3rd Symphony was first performed in 1911.