Early d'Albert Piano Concerto in A found

Started by Rex Stultorum, Sunday 24 June 2018, 17:21

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eschiss1

Apparently there's 30 pages, including a second movement and a hint of a third. Better link: here There's a lot of blank pages after that few bars of 2nd movement, skip to page 15 or 16 for the rest?

It's described as a particell rather than a solo piano part, fwiw: "Written in pencil throughout. {{brk}}f.6v, 7r-7v, 14v, and 15r = blank; a sketch for the last movement is notated on f.15v.
Notated throughout on two staves in piano notation, differentiated into "tutti" and "solo"; occasional indications of instrumentation. The draft appears to be largely complete;
Pages with original pagination: after p.9 there is a double page, the first page of which is numbered p.10, but on which only two bars are notated. After this double page, the numbering continues again with p.10.
Metronome markings at the beginning of the first two movements: "M. M. [quarter note] = 132"; "M. M. [eighth note] = 60";
From the estate of Teresita Goebel, then in the possession of D. Gräfingholt, R. Goebel, and M. Goebel; Acquired in 2010 from the Saxon State and University Library Dresden (D-Dl)
D-Dl, Mus.9069-O-501, 30000042"

But yes, still, your basic assessment seems correct beyond that.

How's the (what's left of the) concerto in F "Op.104"? Only 24 pages, but. (of 2-piano reduction, this time.) (From 1877, and I wonder about "104", given that. Ah. "Concerto "No.10" crossed out, "Op.104" crossed out... one movement in 2-piano reduction, concluded May 23? 1877.)

Darrel Hoffman

Seems to me like there is an explicitly marked, seemingly complete 3rd movement, from pages 19-27.  That little sketch on page 30 is separate and probably not usable for much.  As for the 2nd movement, I'm not sure how well it would flow over that gap of several blank pages - I wonder why they even bother scanning those?  I guess any page with samples of the composer's handwriting might be valuable to somebody, but in this case it's literally just page numbers.  I assumed he intended to fill those in later, else why number them?

The 104 appears to have the start of a 2nd movement, but definitely incomplete.  In any case, both are missing the orchestra parts (assuming they were ever written).  A full reconstruction from these might be a bit beyond me, and would at best be a lot of guesswork.  Even just leaving them as reductions would be a challenge given the sloppy handwriting. (Though I've admittedly seen worse - at least the scans are of decent quality; I've dealt with some that were nearly illegible.)

tpaloj

Quote from: Darrel Hoffman on Sunday 20 July 2025, 17:42I'm not sure how well it would flow over that gap of several blank pages - I wonder why they even bother scanning those?  I guess any page with samples of the composer's handwriting might be valuable to somebody, but in this case it's literally just page numbers.
It's standard archival practice to scan all pages of such documents even with seemingly empty pages within. After all, we'd be guessing what the pages contained, had the pages been left out of the scan, wouldn't we?

It doesn't feel worthwhile in my view to go to the the trouble of orchestrating these sketches, as you seem to agree. Some things are just better left undone.

eschiss1

SLUB's (or RISM's?) interpretation of the G minor is a 1st and 2nd movement basically complete (with the 2nd movement split by several blank pages) and a sketch of a 3rd movement on page 30, actually.

promusician

To update: I have already got photos of this concerto, kindly taken by a friend living in Maryland. It's really massive as the 1st movement is already 150 pages, however, there are some parts where the page numbers don't follow sequence.

FBerwald

But what about the A minor Piano Concerto. Hope someone will get round to that. Hyperion was my hope, but now that's sunk!

eschiss1

I assumed he meant the A minor concerto, as the G minor seems to be only fragmentary?...

promusician

Quote from: FBerwald on Monday 02 February 2026, 15:23But what about the A minor Piano Concerto. Hope someone will get round to that. Hyperion was my hope, but now that's sunk!

I meant the piano concerto I have is featured in this post:
https://blogs.loc.gov/music/2017/05/re-discovery-the-two-opus-2s-of-eugen-dalbert/