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The Music => Composers & Music => Topic started by: JimL on Thursday 20 May 2010, 01:08

Title: Brüll Symphony in E Minor, Op. 31
Post by: JimL on Thursday 20 May 2010, 01:08
Several months after getting a download of Ignaz Brull's only extant symphony I finally had a chance to burn it to CD and familiarize myself with it (in my car, of course).  What an attractive work it is!  Unfortunately, the sound quality of the recording is quite poor (I believe it was from a radio dub).  I'm wondering if there is any buzz about recording this extraordinarily fine (if slight for its period) work?  Also, if anyone has access to the movement titles could you post them here so I can put them in my (expanding) mp3 library?
Title: Re: Brüll Symphony in E Minor, Op. 31
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 20 May 2010, 04:16
I believe there already is a recording, on Cameo Classics.

From

http://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony,_Op.31_(Brüll,_Ignaz) (http://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony,_Op.31_(Br%C3%BCll,_Ignaz))

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I. Molto moderato - poco piu mosso - poco piu animato
II. Allegretto molto moderato (G major)
III. Scherzo: Allegro assai (E major) - Trio: Meno mosso. Moderato (das Viertel so schnell wie vorher die halbe Note) (these alternate a few times)
IV. Molto moderato (E minor) - poco animato - Allegro assai
Eric
Title: Re: Brüll Symphony in E Minor, Op. 31
Post by: JimL on Thursday 20 May 2010, 06:36
Thanks, Eric.  Just as I thought.  There is no real slow movement, just an intermezzo-like Allegretto.  Lovely movement, BTW.  The trio reappears twice in the scherzo movement (which is in a duple, rather than triple meter).  It really is a great piece, even if it is kind of short for a symphony composed around 1880.  But nobody can complain that it outstays its welcome, either.  And the finale is quite effective.  Brull can't be accused of not knowing how to end a work.
Title: Re: Brüll Symphony in E Minor, Op. 31
Post by: Hofrat on Thursday 20 May 2010, 10:02
The Brull symphony is available from Cameo Classics, together with his Serenade in F.  It is great listening.
Title: Re: Brüll Symphony in E Minor, Op. 31
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 20 May 2010, 22:05
Actually, I find the Brüll Symphony rather unsatisfying - for me there's just not much to it. And the available performance is really pretty rough-and-ready, grateful though one is for having it at all. The piece needs a conductor with finesse and an orchestra with greater subtlety and sonority to do it true justice. However, I can't see us getting another...
Title: Re: Brüll Symphony in E Minor, Op. 31
Post by: JimL on Thursday 20 May 2010, 23:51
I don't find it unsatisfying, just rather modest.  It's idiom strongly resembles, say, Max Bruch's 2nd Symphony, but Bruch packs more grandeur into 3 movements than Brull does into 4.  My performance clocks in at under half an hour.  That said, it is a thoroughly enjoyable listen, chock full of high quality tunes and colorful orchestration.
Title: Re: Brüll Symphony in E Minor, Op. 31
Post by: Marcus on Friday 21 May 2010, 11:10
I love the Brull symphony Jim, and most of Brull's music, particularly the Piano Sonata & the Serenade.
As you have enjoyed this symphony, I suggest you try the Jadassohn 1st, also on Cameo (CC9026CD).
Also included on this disc is the beautiful 2nd movement of Brull's Violin Concerto in A minor. I hope the complete works appears on disc sometime soon.
Marcus.
Title: Re: Brüll Symphony in E Minor, Op. 31
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 21 May 2010, 12:30
That CD is indeed very interesting in content, but seriously flawed in both execution and engineering. It is, therefore, good news that cpo will be bringing out Jadassohn's symphonies, probably conducted by Israel Yinon.
Title: Re: Brüll Symphony in E Minor, Op. 31
Post by: Hofrat on Friday 21 May 2010, 14:02
Re:  Cameo (CC9026CD)

While the CD contains Jadassohn's piano concerto and 1st symphony in their entirety, it only has contains 2 out of the 10 movements of Brull's Serenade and only 1 movement of Brull's violin concerto.  That seems to be a rip-off to me.
Title: Re: Brüll Symphony in E Minor, Op. 31
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 21 May 2010, 17:50
Listened to the Brüll Symphony again and agree that it is a nice piece - thoroughly worthy of revival. BUT: the orchestra is just awful on the CC recording. How many strings were there, I wonder? (Very few, by the sound of it.) And the whole thing is ruined by elephantine brass and an overall lack of subtlety. This is a stop-gap only.
Title: Re: Brüll Symphony in E Minor, Op. 31
Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 22 May 2010, 00:12
Quote from: Hofrat on Friday 21 May 2010, 14:02
Re:  Cameo (CC9026CD)

While the CD contains Jadassohn's piano concerto and 1st symphony in their entirety, it only has contains 2 out of the 10 movements of Brull's Serenade and only 1 movement of Brull's violin concerto.  That seems to be a rip-off to me.

Gareth Vaughan mentioned http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,59.msg459.html#msg459 (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,59.msg459.html#msg459) that he was still proofreading a performing edition of the rest of Brull's concerto as of May 31 2009 - no idea the status of that project now almost a year later, but I think that was after the CC recording was released. So I'm guessing the first movement was all that was available to be recorded. I may be confused and mistaken.

Eric
Title: Re: Brüll Symphony in E Minor, Op. 31
Post by: JimL on Saturday 22 May 2010, 01:14
IIRC it is the slow, 2nd movement that CC recorded.  Apparently the MS of that movement was in good enough condition, or was easy enough to convert to a performing edition that David Kent Watson was able to get a take.  I'm wondering how Gareth is doing on a performance edition of the whole score myself.  But back to the symphony, the more I listen to the concentration of musical materials the more I realize that Brull was aiming for a classical conciseness in his symphony, which was somewhat atavistic for a period in which composers were striving to inflate, rather than concentrate their symphonies.  I'm leery of calling it a masterwork, but I'm leery of calling anything a masterpiece nowadays anyway.  But it is certainly worthy of a lot more attention.  Chandos, maybe?
Title: Re: Brüll Symphony in E Minor, Op. 31
Post by: John 514tga on Thursday 29 November 2012, 02:13
Gentlemen,

My copy of the Cameo recording of the Brull Symphony and Serenade arrived yesterday.  There are two problems with my copy:

1. In the first movement of the serenade (track 5), there is a loud electronic crackle-pop at timing mark 5:08.  Does this occur in anyone else's copy?

2. The first two pages of the booklet are blurred to the point of being unreadable.  Again, anyone else?

Title: Re: Brüll Symphony in E Minor, Op. 31
Post by: giles.enders on Thursday 29 November 2012, 10:46
Are you surprised, in my experience this is Cameo Classics usual standard!!!
Title: Re: Brüll Symphony in E Minor, Op. 31
Post by: John 514tga on Saturday 01 December 2012, 15:57
You're right, Giles.  I just played sample their disc of the Raff piano music.  The first second or so of the finale to the Op. 14 sonata is missing.  Yuck.  Luckily I have the Cahoots original.  I was buying this for a friend.  Now it's fit only for the microwave.

So ends my experience with Cameo.
Title: Re: Brüll Symphony in E Minor, Op. 31
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 03 December 2012, 19:20
QuoteThere are two problems with my copy:

1. In the first movement of the serenade (track 5), there is a loud electronic crackle-pop at timing mark 5:08.  Does this occur in anyone else's copy?

2. The first two pages of the booklet are blurred to the point of being unreadable.  Again, anyone else?

There's nothing wrong with mine - CD nor booklet. If you write to Cameo Classics explaining the problem, David Kent-Watson will send you a replacement.

QuoteGareth Vaughan mentioned http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,59.msg459.html#msg459 that he was still proofreading a performing edition of the rest of Brull's concerto as of May 31 2009 - no idea the status of that project now almost a year later, but I think that was after the CC recording was released.

Michael Laus, the conductor of the Malta Philharmonic, produced a modern edition of the Brull VC, at my suggestion, working from the original MS and correcting (incidentally) a number of errors in the printed piano/violin score and the copyist's MS held by Fleisher. His is now the definitive edition. This was recorded by Cameo with the same violinist who performed the slow movt. with the Belarus orchestra under Marius Stravinsky. This CD has been released and can be found on Cameo's website. The reason the complete Brull VC was not recorded originally with the Belarussians was that the Fleisher MS was so full of mistakes. Does this clear things up, Eric?

Title: Re: Brüll Symphony in E Minor, Op. 31
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 09 December 2012, 06:36
ah. Yes, thank you, it does.
Title: Re: Brüll Symphony in E Minor, Op. 31
Post by: Richard Moss on Sunday 09 December 2012, 10:48
A very belated reply to Jim's initial query over his unwanted clicks in the Brull download!!!

Have you checked the downloaded file to see if the clicks are in the file or in the CD-burning process.  Like Gareth, my copy of the CD (purchased as a CD) is fine.

I mention this since I've also had the odd problem when transferring downloads to CD but have found that the click is not present in the actual download MP3 file, so have deduced the CD burning process must be at fault.

Just a thought!

Cheers

Richard