It seems that every country is getting its own folder, so why not Estonia?
I have opened the folder with Tubin's 5th symphony. I am hoping to find some music by Kapp to add as well.
Please feel free to contribute to this folder.
Sicmu - thank you for the Kreek symphony. Maybe I am "conservative" too, because I think it's splendid. I agree that stylistically it is somewhat of a pastiche and certainly one would never guess that it was composed in 1953, but it's inventive and - to my ears - a delight. The short Wiki entry has Kreek as most noted for collecting Estonian folksong, and maybe that's why it's so tuneful.
It says that his crowning achievement was his Requiem, and tantalizingly refers to works for zithers and orchestra. I am alone in never having encountered such a combination?
I don't suppose anyone out there has either Heino Eller's 1st Symphony(fp 1937) or his 3rd(fp 1962)? I understand from the Estonian Music Information Centre that the 2nd was unfinished.
The Eller 3rd was on a Melodiia LP (conducted by some Jarvi fellow) around 1964 so hopefully someone has that...
Eller's Symphony No.3 and much more can be found there :
http://muusika24.ee/Klassika/soundAuthor/1695 (http://muusika24.ee/Klassika/soundAuthor/1695)
Quote from: Sicmu on Thursday 15 September 2011, 14:20
Eller's Symphony No.3 and much more can be found there :
http://muusika24.ee/Klassika/soundAuthor/1695 (http://muusika24.ee/Klassika/soundAuthor/1695)
Many thanks for this link :) I shall register and download the symphony and probably a good deal more of Eller's music.
I see that the site has very little
Kaljo Raid(1921-2005). I have Raid's 1st and 2nd symphonies but I know that he wrote four in total. Raid emigrated first to the USA and then Canada of course so perhaps he is no longer counted as fully Estonian?
Quote from: Dundonnell on Thursday 15 September 2011, 15:30
I see that the site has very little Kaljo Raid(1921-2005). I have Raid's 1st and 2nd symphonies but I know that he wrote four in total. Raid emigrated first to the USA and then Canada of course so perhaps he is no longer counted as fully Estonian?
You should ask Amphyssa :) !
Wikipedia says he is Estonian and he is included on CDs with Tubin and Eller, so I would put him in the Estonian folder.
I'd love to here these symphonies!
I've added the incomplete Tubin Symphony 11 to the Estonian folder.
QuoteRaid emigrated first to the USA and then Canada of course so perhaps he is no longer counted as fully Estonian?
Ask any Estonian -- once an Estonian, always an Estonian!
Rudolf Tobias - Piano Concerto in D Minor
I have converted a youtube link to an MP3 and posted a rapidshare link in the downloads section.
A work that instantly appeals to my romantically tuned brain. I have checked with the pianist and no modern recording exists. Hopefully, someone will want to.
I am nowhere near being able to play this, but that is nothing new.
Concertingly.
Thal
I am EXTREMELY grateful (hence the capital letters!) for the upload of Tobias' PC from that Melodiya LP. Marvellous stuff - can't understand why it's never been transferred to CD. Hyperion material surely?
It is one of those works that instantly appeals to me and that has not diminished after a dozen hearings.
I am glad someone else likes it. My ears are easily pleased with sometimes empty works.
Concertingly.
Thal
Full Marks, Thal, for the Tobias. As I believe the phrase goes nowadays: "Now that's what I'm talkin' about!"
Quote from: Mark Thomas on Sunday 18 December 2011, 21:50
Full Marks, Thal, for the Tobias. As I believe the phrase goes nowadays: "Now that's what I'm talkin' about!"
Me too! Superb!
Thanks :) :)
Quote from: Dundonnell on Thursday 15 September 2011, 15:30
Quote from: Sicmu on Thursday 15 September 2011, 14:20
Eller's Symphony No.3 and much more can be found there :
http://muusika24.ee/Klassika/soundAuthor/1695 (http://muusika24.ee/Klassika/soundAuthor/1695)
Many thanks for this link :) I shall register and download the symphony and probably a good deal more of Eller's music.
I am finally getting round to registering for this site with the intention of downloading the Eller Symphony No.3 and some Artur Kapp symphonies at least.
However, I am not finding the site very easy to understand even in its English version. My first impression, for example, from the Search facility was that there was no Kapp until I found his works in a "multi-movement" section.
Has anybody else used this site ???
Yes, and I found it as weird as you. Luckily I only had to download two works, then I was done. But I had no problems with spam, incorrect invoices, etc, so the site seems to be serious.
Well, it is some comfort at least to know that it's not just me ;D
Finally succeeded in being able to download the Heino Eller Symphony No.3 and the Artur Kapp Symphonies, Nos. 1 "Quasi una fantasia", 2 and 5 "Peace Symphony"(which I finally worked is is "Ruhusuumfoonia" in Estonian :))) from the Muusika24.ee site.
Unfortunately, the site provides no details of performers :( One assumes that the orchestra is the Estonian State Radio Symphony Orchestra but names of conductors are there none, nor any indication of date of broadcast(they definitely are radio broadcasts rather than commercial LPs/cds).
There are no Estonian experts on here are there to match Latvian's expertise with respect to that country ???
Quote from: Dundonnell on Saturday 21 January 2012, 19:22
Finally succeeded in being able to download the Heino Eller Symphony No.3 and the Artur Kapp Symphonies, Nos. 1 "Quasi una fantasia", 2 and 5 "Peace Symphony"(which I finally worked is is "Ruhusuumfoonia" in Estonian :))) from the Muusika24.ee site.
Unfortunately, the site provides no details of performers :( One assumes that the orchestra is the Estonian State Radio Symphony Orchestra but names of conductors are there none, nor any indication of date of broadcast(they definitely are radio broadcasts rather than commercial LPs/cds).
There are no Estonian experts on here are there to match Latvian's expertise with respect to that country ???
Gee, how did you manage that ? I 'faffed' about for ages & achieved nothing.....actually that's not so unusual !
QuoteFinally succeeded in being able to download the Heino Eller Symphony No.3 and the Artur Kapp Symphonies, Nos. 1 "Quasi una fantasia", 2 and 5 "Peace Symphony"(which I finally worked is is "Ruhusuumfoonia" in Estonian :))) from the Muusika24.ee site.
Yes, I managed the A. Kapp 3rd Symphony a couple of days ago, with no difficulties or repercussions. Too bad there isn't much more of interest available there...
It doesn't help much that Estonian is a particularly difficult language, being unrelated to its surrounding Slavic dialects of Russian, Lithuanian and Latvian. It's more closely related to Finnish and Magyar (Hungarian). My friend Tom the Mad Hungarian assures me his native tongue is unnecessarily complicated. :D
Quote from: JimL on Wednesday 01 February 2012, 22:21
It doesn't help much that Estonian is a particularly difficult language, being unrelated to its surrounding Slavic dialects of Russian, Lithuanian and Latvian.
Russian, Lithuanian and Latvian are not Slavic dialects. Russian is a Slavic (or Slavonic) language, while Lithuanian and Latvian are Baltic languages.
Quote from: cjvinthechair on Wednesday 01 February 2012, 20:42
Quote from: Dundonnell on Saturday 21 January 2012, 19:22
Finally succeeded in being able to download the Heino Eller Symphony No.3 and the Artur Kapp Symphonies, Nos. 1 "Quasi una fantasia", 2 and 5 "Peace Symphony"(which I finally worked is is "Ruhusuumfoonia" in Estonian :))) from the Muusika24.ee site.
Unfortunately, the site provides no details of performers :( One assumes that the orchestra is the Estonian State Radio Symphony Orchestra but names of conductors are there none, nor any indication of date of broadcast(they definitely are radio broadcasts rather than commercial LPs/cds).
There are no Estonian experts on here are there to match Latvian's expertise with respect to that country ???
Gee, how did you manage that ? I 'faffed' about for ages & achieved nothing.....actually that's not so unusual !
Tips-
(a) Register with the site.
(2) Click on 'English'
(3) Search in the Classical Music section but enter the composer's full name in the Search box, rather than clicking on his initial letter as you are invited to do.
(4) All of the composer's works available on the site should now be shown but in Estonian. Do not try to switch back to English because you will be taken back to the start ::)
(5) The rest is relatively intuitive ;D I managed to download three Artur Kapp, three Eugen Kapp and one Eller symphony without too much trouble but, I admit, that was reasonably easy once I had worked out that "suumfonia" meant 'symphony' ;D
Quote from: Alan Howe on Wednesday 01 February 2012, 22:38
Quote from: JimL on Wednesday 01 February 2012, 22:21
It doesn't help much that Estonian is a particularly difficult language, being unrelated to its surrounding Slavic dialects of Russian, Lithuanian and Latvian.
Russian, Lithuanian and Latvian are not Slavic dialects. Russian is a Slavic (or Slavonic) language, while Lithuanian and Latvian are Baltic languages.
I'm aware that Russian and the other languages aren't dialects. I was trying to come up with another word since I had already used tongue and language and I was in a hurry. And what are the Baltic languages, if not Slavic? I was informed by an Estonian some years ago that her language was unrelated to both Lithuanian and Latvian, but was more closely related to Finnish.
Quote from: JimL on Wednesday 01 February 2012, 22:21
It doesn't help much that Estonian is a particularly difficult language, being unrelated to its surrounding Slavic dialects of Russian, Lithuanian and Latvian. :D
I would be
verrry careful in referring to Lithuanian or Latvian either as dialects or as Slavic...!!
Lithuanian and Latvian have some common roots and are the only two living languages in the (East) Baltic linguistic group (there were others), though they can't understand each other. Lithuanian vies with Welsh in claiming to be Europe's oldest living titular language. Some words in Lithuanian are similar to Slavic words, though that is as much due to proximity and to common Indo-European heritage as anything else. It is also the closest language Europe has to Sanskrit.
Estonian is one of the Finno-Ugric languages (sometimes also called Uralic). Closely related to Finnish, less closely to Hungarian (they don't understand each other). Other languages of this group are found in Russia with the Mari (located mostly in the Mari-El Republic and the Udmurts (located mostly in Udmurtia) - and in Latvia which has a tiny minority called the Livonians (or Livs, there are very few left).
Latvia and Estonia have significant Russian minorities (approx 25% and 30% respectively), and Riga (Latvia's capital) is a majority Russian city. Other minorities include Poles, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Armenians, Tartars, Scandinavian peoples and Germans (and others), and as such, the population of Latvia which is Latvian is believed to be only just over 50%, while the equivalent figure for Estonia is 60%. Lithuania's largest minority is the Poles, Russians account for less than 10%. 80% of Lithuania is Lithuanian, and it also has minorities from those mentioned above. All 3 also have a significant Jewish heritage, especially Lithuania.
Quote from: Dundonnell on Thursday 02 February 2012, 02:47
Quote from: cjvinthechair on Wednesday 01 February 2012, 20:42
Quote from: Dundonnell on Saturday 21 January 2012, 19:22
Finally succeeded in being able to download the Heino Eller Symphony No.3 and the Artur Kapp Symphonies, Nos. 1 "Quasi una fantasia", 2 and 5 "Peace Symphony"(which I finally worked is is "Ruhusuumfoonia" in Estonian :))) from the Muusika24.ee site.
Unfortunately, the site provides no details of performers :( One assumes that the orchestra is the Estonian State Radio Symphony Orchestra but names of conductors are there none, nor any indication of date of broadcast(they definitely are radio broadcasts rather than commercial LPs/cds).
There are no Estonian experts on here are there to match Latvian's expertise with respect to that country ???
Gee, how did you manage that ? I 'faffed' about for ages & achieved nothing.....actually that's not so unusual !
Tips-
(a) Register with the site.
(2) Click on 'English'
(3) Search in the Classical Music section but enter the composer's full name in the Search box, rather than clicking on his initial letter as you are invited to do.
(4) All of the composer's works available on the site should now be shown but in Estonian. Do not try to switch back to English because you will be taken back to the start ::)
(5) The rest is relatively intuitive ;D I managed to download three Artur Kapp, three Eugen Kapp and one Eller symphony without too much trouble but, I admit, that was reasonably easy once I had worked out that "suumfonia" meant 'symphony' ;D
Well done ! Many thanks for that. Clive.
Thanks for that explanation, Christopher. Very helpful. Being a linguist myself (I'm fluent in German), I am particularly interested in the history of Lithuanian: I must do some research.
Meanwhile, back with Estonian music...
Do you have to pay for downloads at the Estonian website or are they free?
You have to pay, I am afraid ;D
The three Eugen Kapp symphonies cost me 5.70 Euros-so it is a pretty nominal amount really :)
And thank you Christopher! I was unaware of the uniqueness of the Baltic family of languages, particularly of the close relation between Lithuanian and Sanskrit! Meanwhile, back in Estonia...
I am thankful to all who made it easy to register and search for music at the Estonian website.
Wow... what a beautiful, romantic 2nd PC Artur Lemba (1885-1963) wrote. Listen to this movement (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PDaXfW_FwA&feature=related).
Actually, he composed 5 PCs of which his 1st has been released. How would his 2 Symphonies sound? The 1st is also available on CD.
I think this Estonian composer deserves our attention. Wikipedia gives us some information here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artur_Lemba).
Quote from: Peter1953 on Saturday 11 February 2012, 10:53
Wow... what a beautiful, romantic 2nd PC Artur Lemba (1885-1963) wrote. Listen to this movement (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PDaXfW_FwA&feature=related).
Actually, he composed 5 PCs of which his 1st has been released. How would his 2 Symphonies sound? The 1st is also available on CD.
I think this Estonian composer deserves our attention. Wikipedia gives us some information here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artur_Lemba).
I have all 5 of Lemba's Piano Concertos and one of his symphonies. All are from broadcasts or LPs.
About Lydia Auster's violin concertino- The file description gives a different list of performers than the downloads entry (Suvi Kasmus etc. in the file description). Is there a reason for the discrepancy? :) And thanks! (Actually, hrm. There is a commercially-available (downloadable for cost, not free, it seems) recording of the Auster here (http://muusika24.ee/Muusika/album/L%C3%BC%C3%BCriline-kontsertiino-Suvi-K%C3%A4smus) with Käsmus either as the conductor or soloist, from Radio Estonia. One presumes that's not the one uploaded here, I don't think our rules allow it... do they?)
Eric, it was my mistake :P
Correct performers are Mari Tampere & Tallinn State Conservatory Symphony Orchestra. The information of mp3 is correct.
But I closed my upload now. Because it seems that this performance is available at Estonian radio site now.
Thanks for your notice, always :)
Atsushi
There is a version already on the site by Juhan Schutz and the Estonian Radio Symphony Orchestra/Roman Matsov. That is the one I downloaded. Presumably it is still ok ???
I listened my file again.
The broadcast announcer said that "Performer is Mari Tampere.... " at the end of this recording.
The source of this recording is a broadcast without doubt.
However, maybe same performance is available commercially at Estonian site.
I think the better way is we are not to run any risk.
Anyway, music by Auster is very beautiful, in my view :)
One word regarding "Suvi Käsmus": this is no performer but the title of the piece. It means "Summer in Käsmu". The complete details about Atsushi's recording seem to be like that:
Lydia Auster (1912–1993)
"Summer in Käsmu", Lyrical Concertino for Violin and Orchestra Op. 25
Composed in 1966
I. Improvisazione. Morning
II. Adagio. On Forest Paths
III. Scherzo. Sun and Waves
Mari Tampere-Bezrodny, Violin / Tallinn State Conservatory Symphony Orchestra / Roman Matsov
However, this is really the same recording as available on the Estonian site.
2 Works by Boris Parsadanyan
(http://home.wanadoo.nl/ovar/images/parsadanian.jpg)
With the last name, you would expect him in the Armenian section, but he appears to be an honorary Estonian. So I've put the download links in the Estonian folder.
I took the following bio from the Web, but I'm having a senior moment and don't remember where. Please not the the last work may well be a VC-- if anyone can find out more, please let me know and I'll update.
BORIS PARSADANYAN
(1925-1997) (RUSSIA/ESTONIA)
Born in Kislovdsk, Russia. his first studies were with Genrikh Litinsky at the Studio of the Armenian House of Culture. He later studied as a violin student at the Gnessin School in Moscow. After graduation, he moved to Estonia where he played the violin in the Tallinn Radio Orchestra and then attended the Tallinn Conservatory where he, studied composition with Heino Eller. He settled permanently in Estonia in 1950 where he composed all of his important works. His catalogue includes an opera, cantatas, chamber, solo instrumental and vocal works but is dominated by orchestral music. In addition to the recorded Symphonies, there are these others: Nos. 4 (1966), 5 (1974), 6 (1978), 8 (1981), 9 (1982), 10 (1986) and 11 (1987). There is also a Violin Concerto, Flute Concertino and the symphonic poem "David Sassunski."
Symphony 4 (1966)
Estonian Radio and TV Symphony Orchestra / Roman Matsov
Symphony No. 6 for Violin and Orchestra (1978)
Unknown Violinist / Estonian National Symphony Orchestra / Peeter Lilje
From the collection of Karl Miller
jowcol,
thanks for your Parsadanian upload. I didn't have these two symphonies before (but I do have Nos. 1, 2, 3&7). I think I can solve the miracle about the Sixth: www.violinconcerto.de really lists the Sixth as a piece for Violin and Orchestra, so everything should be alright. Moreover, Parsadanian's Violin Concerto is from 1955, and as based on his Symphonies Nos. 1&2 which are more or less from the same period I would dare to say that the piece you uploaded must have been written at a later point. As the Sixth is from 1978 this perfectly makes sense. In other words, I am pretty sure this is really the Sixth Symphony. By the way, it seems Parsadanian actually did not write a Symphony No. 5: according to Onno van Rijen's site, which is based on information by the composer's daughter, the existence of a Fifth Symphony was just a "practical joke" - whatever this may mean.
Since I have quite a bunch of Estonian music myself I am also able to correct some details regarding performers. So here are my updates:
Symphony No. 4 (1966)
Estonian Radio and TV Symphony Orchestra / Roman Matsov
(by the way, as far as I am informed the Estonian Radio and TV SO is the same orchestra as the Estonian National SO, the latter being its later and also its current name)
Symphony No. 6 for Violin and Orchestra (1978)
Unknown Violinist / Estonian National Symphony Orchestra / Peeter Lilje
Quote from: fr8nks on Saturday 11 February 2012, 16:09
Quote from: Peter1953 on Saturday 11 February 2012, 10:53
Wow... what a beautiful, romantic 2nd PC Artur Lemba (1885-1963) wrote. Listen to this movement (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PDaXfW_FwA&feature=related).
Actually, he composed 5 PCs of which his 1st has been released. How would his 2 Symphonies sound? The 1st is also available on CD.
I think this Estonian composer deserves our attention. Wikipedia gives us some information here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artur_Lemba).
I have all 5 of Lemba's Piano Concertos and one of his symphonies. All are from broadcasts or LPs.
And will you be posting them to downloads .... I hope!
Any chance you can provide the movements of the Lemba PCs, Dave? I guess it will be easier with the ones where you have the LPs. :)
Many thanks for the Lemba PCs, Dave. Lovely music. I look forward to the remaining pair.
Quote from: Mark Thomas on Friday 11 May 2012, 21:13
Many thanks for the Lemba PCs, Dave. Lovely music. I look forward to the remaining pair.
I don't know who Dave is but I uploaded the Lemba PCs. I don't have the LPs so I cannot provide movement titles. I will upload PC's 4 & 5 either tonight or tomorrow.
Best,
Frank
Sorry, Frank, a senior moment on my part. I still appreciate the Lembas very much!
A Lemba work list, including some movement titles, is here (http://www.emic.ee/?sisu=heliloojad&mid=58&id=50&lang=eng&action=view&method=teosed#108).
No problem, Mark. I have senior moments all the time. I tried to think of a clever way to point out the mistaken identity but humor is sometimes lost in translation. Latvian and I have been trading music over the last 15 years--about 100 cassettes and 350 CDs. He provided me with the Lemba piano concertos several years ago and I have passed on all the information that I have on them. If Latvian had the movement titles, he would have given me that information. He has traded music with people from all around the world and these performances were probably radio broadcasts.
Oops! I just read your latest post. Thanks for the link.
Frank
I'm guessing Dave was a 2001 reference. We can't do that here. Anyhow, carry on...
Quote from: fr8nks on Friday 11 May 2012, 21:32
Quote from: Mark Thomas on Friday 11 May 2012, 21:13
Many thanks for the Lemba PCs, Dave. Lovely music. I look forward to the remaining pair.
I don't know who Dave is but I uploaded the Lemba PCs. I don't have the LPs so I cannot provide movement titles. I will upload PC's 4 & 5 either tonight or tomorrow.
Best,
Frank
Sorry, Fr8nk. I thought Amphissa (Dave) was the one who uploaded them. :-[
Symphony 2 (1968) by Jaan Koha
(http://www.emic.ee/failid/genPictures/thumb_x_280/1298296548.jpg)
I've posted this to the Estonian Downloads folder.
Symphony 2
1. Allegro
2. Largo
3. Vivace
Estonian Radio and Television Symphony Orchestra
Neeme Jarvi, Conductor
22'
symphony orchestra: 3333, 4331, percussion (1+3), harp, strings
I don't know much (any?) about Koha, but this is one I'll need to listen to several more times. The use of rhythm stands out, and I'd like to hear any more of his work.
I've taken the following background material from the From the Estonian Music Information Centre. They say it's okay to reproduce if I give them the attribution.
First- he's known for:
• dramatic neoclassicism
• brisk pulsation(and how!) linear polyphony, colourful sound imagery
• orchestral and ensemble works, children's music
Here is the Bio:
December 17, 1929, Tartu – November 15, 1993, Tallinn
Member of the Estonian Composers' Union since 1955
Composer and pedagogue Jaan Koha started studying music with his father and continued with piano lessons at the Tartu Music School from 1942 to 1949. He studied composition at the Tallinn State Conservatoire with Mart Saar since 1949 and with Heino Eller since 1951, graduating from conservatoire in 1954.
In 1950–1954 and 1958–1966, he worked as a sound engineer at the Estonian Radio and in 1954–1958 as a music theory teacher at the Tartu Music School. He was a consultant at the Estonian Composers' Union in Tartu in 1957–58 and a secretary at the Estonian Composers' Union in 1966–1980. From 1979 to 1993 Koha was teaching music theory at the Tallinn Pedagogical University.
The most numerous part of his compositions is formed by songs and choral works. His compositions also include many works for stage, symphonic pieces and music for film, plays and radio drama. His works are mainly optimistical, figurative and rhythmical, including epical moods and cheerful images. His style of expression is sparing, thereat valuating the proper dosage of the means of expressions. Musical figures are colourful, themes are full of contrast, texture is clear and connection to Estonian folklore is noticeable.
Among all choral works one finds patriotic, lyrical, dramatic and humorous songs. Koha bears in mind the abilities and interests of children. He prefers texts of his contemporary poets. With his three symphonies, he is rightfully a considerable symphonist.
Jaan Koha has received prizes in composition competitions. His Piano Concerto No 1 was played successfully all over the Soviet Union, the song cycle Five Birds (dedicated to Tiit Kuusik) received acknowledgement as well. His works have been recorded at the Estonian Radio and published in Tallinn, Moscow and St. Petersburg. Koha was given the honorary title of Estonian SSR Honoured Worker in Arts (1970), the Estonian SSR Prize (1975) and the Estonian SSR Annual Music Prize (1974).
© EMIC 2010
jowcol,
once again some comments before the link is actually available: I know Koha's Symphony No. 2 and think it's a fascinating piece. In particular, the first movement is so full of energy and pulsation, great stuff. Usually, Jaan Rääts is regarded as the major Estonian composer of his generation. I have to admit that I tend to disagree a little, since I like Jaan Koha and Heino Jürisalu better – both of them of about the same age as Rääts and with similar stylistic features.
Quote from: Holger on Wednesday 30 May 2012, 19:59
jowcol,
once again some comments before the link is actually available: I know Koha's Symphony No. 2 and think it's a fascinating piece. In particular, the first movement is so full of energy and pulsation, great stuff. Usually, Jaan Rääts is regarded as the major Estonian composer of his generation. I have to admit that I tend to disagree a little, since I like Jaan Koha and Heino Jürisalu better – both of them of about the same age as Rääts and with similar stylistic features.
I couldn't have described the first movement better myself. Thanks for the added info.