Unsung Composers

The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: eternalorphea on Tuesday 10 February 2015, 19:12

Title: de Zaytz - Symphony; Tkalčić - Cello Concerto
Post by: eternalorphea on Tuesday 10 February 2015, 19:12

May 21st, 2015, at 20h

Robert Homen, conductor
Croatian Radio-television Symphony Orchestra

Luca Sorgo: 1st Symphony in D-major
Giulio Baiamonti: Concert arias
                      Monika Cerovčec, soprano
Juro Tkalčić: Concerto for Cello and Orchestra in A-minor
                      Branimir Pustički, violoncello
Giovanni de Zaytz: Symphony in C-minor


Broadcast
HR3 (http://www.hrt.hr/streamf/PROGRAM3)
Title: Re: de Zaytz - Symphony; Tkalčić - Cello Concerto
Post by: Richard Moss on Tuesday 10 February 2015, 19:28
Three completely unknowns (to most of us, probably? - certainly me!) and spanning the period late classical to late/post romantic.  Would love to sample these composers - is anyone going to be able to record/post this at some stage?  Much appreciated if you can

Cheers

Richard
Title: Re: de Zaytz - Symphony; Tkalčić - Cello Concerto
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 10 February 2015, 20:48
Luca Sorgo (also Luka Sorkočević: 1734-1789) is beyond the remit of UC; so is Giulio Baiamonti (b.1744).

However, Juro Tkalčić (1877-1957) sounds more promising, as does Giovanni de Zaytz (1832-1914)...
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Giovanni+von+Zaytz (http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Giovanni+von+Zaytz)
...about whom we already have this brief thread:
http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php?topic=5251.0 (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php?topic=5251.0)
Title: Re: de Zaytz - Symphony; Tkalčić - Cello Concerto
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 12 February 2015, 03:42
Granted eternalorphea is no newcomer here, but I keep being reminded that
incidentally to this -particular- topic- it's really past time the site was renamed; newcomers come here thinking we're all about "unsung composers", not "unsung Romantic composers".

(Arguably, even more restrictive than that, given that our "see this topic" fails to eliminate Liszt by one clause (dissonance, modernity- yipe! argh! Horrors! egads!) only by catching him by another (grandfathering in- 19th-century, don'tcha know. You know a definition of music is in trouble when you have to look at the date on the -score- (or worse, research its date of composition), not just listen to it, to see if something fits, btw. But what the heck do _I_ know?) (But... that's a separate point; really, I'm all about needing to change the name of the site... just now :D)
Title: Re: de Zaytz - Symphony; Tkalčić - Cello Concerto
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 12 February 2015, 10:06
I think we'll just leave things as they are. I'm far from convinced that a change of name would prevent us from having problems on the outer fringes of romanticism as defined here. Sorry, Eric...
Title: Re: de Zaytz - Symphony; Tkalčić - Cello Concerto
Post by: vicharris on Friday 22 May 2015, 06:55
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/p87qoducezp42/holger (https://www.mediafire.com/folder/p87qoducezp42/holger)

I recorded the concert of HR3--or most of it if anyone is interested. Included the concert with commentator and edited Baimonti, Tklacic, and von Zaytz
Title: Re: de Zaytz - Symphony; Tkalčić - Cello Concerto
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 22 May 2015, 10:32
Oh, thanks. I'd certainly like to hear the music.
Title: Re: de Zaytz - Symphony; Tkalčić - Cello Concerto
Post by: jerfilm on Friday 22 May 2015, 12:26
Yes, many thanks from me as well.  I'm listening to the cello concerto and I must say what I've heard so far, I like.

Jerry
Title: Re: de Zaytz - Symphony; Tkalčić - Cello Concerto
Post by: britishcomposer on Monday 25 May 2015, 12:20
I just noticed that the download link is not placed in the downloads section but here in the broadcasts thread. Perhaps a mistake?
Title: Re: de Zaytz - Symphony; Tkalčić - Cello Concerto
Post by: JimL on Tuesday 26 May 2015, 05:11
Do you have movement information on the cello concerto and symphony?
Title: Re: de Zaytz - Symphony; Tkalčić - Cello Concerto
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 26 May 2015, 13:21
Tkalčić cello concerto in A minor Op.10 (1922) - Allegro; Adagio (Elegie) ; Allegro, at least according to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRZnDM8ygxc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRZnDM8ygxc).

(No luck on the symphony at the moment, though I'm interested by something else I see on YouTube, the string quartet in E Op.143 by Zajc/ de Zaytz... (yes, I now know several ways to save these videos to my own HD, that's not what I mean...))
Ah. Zaytz- symphony in C minor "Symphonisches Tongemalde" Op.394 (1876)
Title: Re: de Zaytz - Symphony; Tkalčić - Cello Concerto
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 26 May 2015, 13:37
Hrm, even so, neither the 288 entries under Ivan Zajc in a Slovakian library catalog, nor the 64 entries under Giovanni de Zaytz in the Musiksammlung of the Austrian Library (one of which is a digitized autograph operetta score by him from about 1910), seems to be this symphonic tone-poem/symphony :(
Title: Re: de Zaytz - Symphony; Tkalčić - Cello Concerto
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 26 May 2015, 13:47
4 movement descriptions, though not tempi, are given on YouTube for the Zaytz symphony--
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS9Ce88H2vw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS9Ce88H2vw)
Impatience
Dream-vision
Delusion
Victory and triumph
Title: Re: de Zaytz - Symphony; Tkalčić - Cello Concerto
Post by: JimL on Wednesday 27 May 2015, 03:23
I actually found the tempos, on an old playlist on a radio station from 2008, of all places:

I. Impatience - Allegro
II. Dream-vision (of happiness) - Andante
III. Illusion (Delusion?) - Scherzo: Allegro giusto
IV. Victory and triumph - Allegro grandioso

I marked them in the comments.  There was a slight difference in the titles on the radio playlist (nuance of translation?)
Title: Re: de Zaytz - Symphony; Tkalčić - Cello Concerto
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 27 May 2015, 08:07
Thank you, Jim.
Title: Re: de Zaytz - Symphony; Tkalčić - Cello Concerto
Post by: Richard Moss on Wednesday 27 May 2015, 16:06
vicharris,

Many thanks for recording and uploading this material.  I've just downloaded it and am wondering what is in the biggest file (labelled 'missing Sorgo' - it seems much too long just for a symphony??)

Cheers

Richard