Unsung Composers

The Music => Composers & Music => Topic started by: Alan Howe on Monday 25 May 2015, 17:19

Title: Victorin Joncières Symphonie Romantique
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 25 May 2015, 17:19
How about this intriguing re-discovery:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt_Vi1sUmD4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt_Vi1sUmD4)
More info on the composer here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorin_de_Jonci%C3%A8res (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorin_de_Jonci%C3%A8res)
Title: Re: Victorin Joncières Symphonie Romantique
Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 25 May 2015, 19:18
His opera Dimitri is a very enjoyable piece, so it would be very good news if this Symphony is to be issued by Pallazetto Bru Zane. That said, the YouTube upload is four years old, and there's no sign of a CD. The Symphony itself certainly sounds dramatic. IMSLP has the piano four hands reduction, but Joncières' manuscript has been scanned and you can see it here (http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b20000041z).
Title: Re: Victorin Joncières Symphonie Romantique
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 25 May 2015, 20:36
I imagine it's too late for a recording from Pallazetto Bru Zane, but you never know...
Title: Re: Victorin Joncières Symphonie Romantique
Post by: jerfilm on Tuesday 26 May 2015, 19:50
I wonder what the point of the clip is if there is no recording of the entire piece???  Irritating.

J
Title: Re: Victorin Joncières Symphonie Romantique
Post by: ncouton on Wednesday 27 May 2015, 17:53
I was involved in a project of recording this symphony, but the PBZ finally never followed up. That was disappointing.
Title: Re: Victorin Joncières Symphonie Romantique
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 27 May 2015, 18:48
Oh, I see. Disappointing indeed. What is your opinion of the Symphonie Romantique, M. Couton?
Title: Re: Victorin Joncières Symphonie Romantique
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 27 May 2015, 19:02
What a shame, but I too would be fascinated to know more.
Title: Re: Victorin Joncières Symphonie Romantique
Post by: MartinH on Wednesday 27 May 2015, 21:08
The IMSLP score is actually the full orchestral score - the title page says it's for four hands, but it's wrong.
Title: Re: Victorin Joncières Symphonie Romantique
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 27 May 2015, 21:59
Thanks, Martin, clearly I should have persevered!
Title: Re: Victorin Joncières Symphonie Romantique
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 28 May 2015, 20:33
Unfortunately the IMSLP page is fairly incomplete so far as description is concerned; will try to improve that...
Title: Re: Victorin Joncières Symphonie Romantique
Post by: ncouton on Saturday 30 May 2015, 14:43
Don't worry, this symphony is not that fascinating...  :-X
Title: Re: Victorin Joncières Symphonie Romantique
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 30 May 2015, 18:56
What a pity. Not to be compared with the Rabaud, then?
Title: Re: Victorin Joncières Symphonie Romantique
Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 30 May 2015, 19:00
Different generation. Published in 1873/4.
Title: Re: Victorin Joncières Symphonie Romantique
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 30 May 2015, 21:05
Not my point, Eric. Quality, not date. M.Couton recorded the Rabaud...
Title: Re: Victorin Joncières Symphonie Romantique
Post by: ncouton on Saturday 30 May 2015, 21:09
Totally different. Really not the same level, in terms of inspiration, technical abilities, construction, orchestration. Really nothing to do.
Title: Re: Victorin Joncières Symphonie Romantique
Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 30 May 2015, 23:12
ah ok. The finale, despite its constant slow tempo, looks intriguing, but I haven't heard it, and possibly only Mr Couton among us here has, so I take your point!
Title: Re: Victorin Joncières Symphonie Romantique
Post by: ncouton on Sunday 31 May 2015, 08:28
Listening and reading the score again, about 3 years after the last time, maybe I've been a bit harsh: there are good ideas, but for sure the lack of technical security reveals that Joncières was just a good amateur.
Title: Re: Victorin Joncières Symphonie Romantique
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 31 May 2015, 09:31
Sometimes one just has to admit that a particular piece of music isn't all that good - and move on...