Unsung Composers

The Music => Composers & Music => Topic started by: Alan Howe on Friday 29 March 2024, 20:42

Title: Jakab Gyula Major Concert Symphonique (1888?)
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 29 March 2024, 20:42
Our friend Darrel Hoffman has posted his MIDI realisation of this work here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fma4mGkFT_s
This is a good opportunity to get an idea of the music, for which we must be grateful. However, I personally find it trying to listen to and wish that a better realisation could have been made with a more sophisticated computer program.



Title: Re: Jakab Gyula Major Concert Symphonique (1888?)
Post by: Reverie on Friday 29 March 2024, 21:30
Well done to him for making the effort!

However, it's more than "trying" to listen to isn't it.

If he used Musescore (which I suspect he did) there are far better "sound fonts" available than the bog standard issue that come with the editing software.

If I can find them I will put a link.
Title: Re: Jakab Gyula Major Concert Symphonique (1888?)
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 29 March 2024, 21:32
Thanks, that's very helpful. You're the expert, after all!
Title: Re: Jakab Gyula Major Concert Symphonique (1888?)
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 08 April 2024, 17:21
If you can get through it, the realisation shows what a fine and beautiful work this could be and, IMHO (one I have long held), deserving of a good professional recording with a real orchestra and soloist. We must be grateful for Mr Hoffman's efforts in producing this realisation, but the primitive sound fonts make it, as Alan says, a rather "trying" listen.
Title: Re: Jakab Gyula Major Concert Symphonique (1888?)
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 08 April 2024, 18:05
I'm afraid it's tried my patience beyond endurance. It's good to hear that Gareth thinks it's worth taking further, though.
Title: Re: Jakab Gyula Major Concert Symphonique (1888?)
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 08 April 2024, 19:07
I sympathise, Alan. I nearly gave up altogether. Some of the sounds are unbelievable - there's a trill on the bassoon at one point which sounds like someone beating a tom-tom with a toothbrush! And the flutes resemble a harmonium stop - and that's being kind. I hope it doesn't put people off.
Title: Re: Jakab Gyula Major Concert Symphonique (1888?)
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 08 April 2024, 20:42
It sounds like a cross between a barrel-organ and a squeezebox. Truly awful.
Title: Re: Jakab Gyula Major Concert Symphonique (1888?)
Post by: semloh on Monday 08 April 2024, 21:34
Quote from: Alan Howe on Monday 08 April 2024, 20:42It sounds like a cross between a barrel-organ and a squeezebox. Truly awful.

That is unfair to barrel-organs and accordions!  ;D
Title: Re: Jakab Gyula Major Concert Symphonique (1888?)
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 08 April 2024, 22:27
But the piece itself is worthy, and I think Major is a truly undeservedly unsung composer.
Title: Re: Jakab Gyula Major Concert Symphonique (1888?)
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 08 April 2024, 22:28
Yes, that's the main take-away.
Title: Re: Jakab Gyula Major Concert Symphonique (1888?)
Post by: semloh on Tuesday 16 April 2024, 03:20
Quote from: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 08 April 2024, 22:27.... I think Major is a truly undeservedly unsung composer.

What evidence do we have to support that view, Gareth?
Title: Re: Jakab Gyula Major Concert Symphonique (1888?)
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Tuesday 16 April 2024, 09:12
That is my opinion, based on the scores of his which I have managed to see so far. The Hungarian State Library digitised the ms. 2nd piano concerto for me, I have a photocopy of the printed Piano Sonata, and I have seen the scores at the BL (the Symphonie hongroise, Op. 17; Serenade for strings, Op. 24 and Cello  concerto, Op. 44).
Title: Re: Jakab Gyula Major Concert Symphonique (1888?)
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 17 April 2024, 21:41
...and I for one trust your judgment, Gareth. I think there's an important gap in Hungarian musical history, i.e. between the generation of Liszt and that of Dohnanyi. We've already (partially) redicovered Beliczay and Moor is a work in progress, but I think that Major and Mihalovich are two worthy composers that have fallen through the musicological net.

Perhaps there are others whom I've forgotten...
Title: Re: Jakab Gyula Major Concert Symphonique (1888?)
Post by: Reverie on Wednesday 17 April 2024, 23:01
As regards Mihalovich I don't think there is much to take in. The orchestral works are poor immitations of Listz as far as I can see after a bit of research. (And Liszt's orchestral stuff is poor to start with) Sorry!

Major might be a diferent case as he belongs to a different era of course. I have his Symphonie Hongroise (No2) op17 (1898) from the BL and it looks promising. We will see.
Title: Re: Jakab Gyula Major Concert Symphonique (1888?)
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 18 April 2024, 08:47
I have one CD of Mihalovich's songs, which I rather like. There are also four symphonies; no.1 is at IMSLP - these are what interest me. However, Major may well be the more attractive proposition, I agree.
Title: Re: Jakab Gyula Major Concert Symphonique (1888?)
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 18 April 2024, 09:35
Of course, most of Mihalovich's music remains in ms and available at best through a Hungarian library. I respectfully disagree regarding Liszt's music- my opinion is as opposite as my "opinion" of the spelling of his family name as he wrote it.
Title: Re: Jakab Gyula Major Concert Symphonique (1888?)
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 18 April 2024, 13:07
It's been put right, Eric.

My own feelings towards Liszt are rather mixed: I think his symphonic poems are a fusion of sublimity, excitement and banality - probably about right for the experimental form that they represent. However - and it's an important 'however' - I firmly believe that his Faust Symphony is a blazing masterpiece: every bar of it grips me, and I think it's significant that many good-to-great conductors have recorded it - e.g. Beecham, Bernstein (twice), Solti, Barenboim, Sinopoli, Masur, Ansermet, Fischer (Ivan), Muti, Chailly, Thielemann, Rattle, Noseda, Dorati, d'Avalos, Dausgaard, Conlon, Inbal - and probably others I've forgotten. In other words, far more conductors than those who have conducted just the odd symphonic poem or two.

So, to return to Mihalovich and Major, I'm hoping that some of their symphonies/concertos might turn out to be worth reviving. Mihalovich wrote four symphonies; Major wrote six symphonies, two further PCs, one VC and one Cello Concerto!
For Major's works list, follow this link:
https://imslp.org/wiki/List_of_works_by_Gyula_Major
Title: Re: Jakab Gyula Major Concert Symphonique (1888?)
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Thursday 18 April 2024, 17:44
There are also the 3 Concert Fantasies Op. 63 for piano & orchestra, mss. of which are in the Szechenyi Library.
I'm not sure that the E major PC without opus number is complete. Szechenyi never replied to my enquiry about that  which, admittedly, I sent during the COVID outbreak.
Title: Re: Jakab Gyula Major Concert Symphonique (1888?)
Post by: semloh on Tuesday 30 April 2024, 09:24
I too trust your judgement, Gareth. I am sure many people would simply hear that Youtube piece and dismiss him. Clearly, that would be a mistake.