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Title: Belgian music
Post by: lechner1110 on Friday 15 July 2011, 10:57

   Hello
   I upload next symphonies on Download board.

   Jef Van Hoof; Symphony no.1 in A major
   Jef Maes; Symphony in G major


   All Best
                                                                                           A.S
   
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 15 July 2011, 17:09
the van Hoof first symphony was on Classical Choice TV (channel 740 in my area)  probably in the new Phaedra CD (cond. by F. Terby) a few days ago, I noticed. (I'm not positive- I didn't write down the conductor).

(for a TV station that I expected to play Beethoven symphony movements all the time alternating with arrangements of Rossini overtures and snippets of Pachelbel's Canon they've actually almost exceeded my best expectations, not my worst, so the Van Hoof symphony was not that unusual a choice for them...)

(not meant as a knock on Beethoven, my favorite composer... hopefully my intent is clear)
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: fyrexia on Saturday 16 July 2011, 00:13
A.S,

Thank you as usually, for you rare symphonies !
Yet another european composer i never heard of!

Tony
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Paul Barasi on Saturday 16 July 2011, 21:04
Wot – Belgian music without remembering Guillaume Lekeu? Not any more. He still slips onto the occasional chamber music CD but he had a wonderful feel for orchestral music. I don't suppose there are any copies left of the Ricercar set issued 20 years ago (If you see any of this, do snap 'em up) ...  Barberine Prelude;  Hamlet, Ophelia too from a study symphony, Chant de triomphale deliverance, Introduction et Adagio – all great stuff and all ignored by the world.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 17 July 2011, 03:05
the Lekeu 2nd etude symphonique is stunning, no argument... (as Belgian composers go I also like Legley and a number of others... :) )
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 17 July 2011, 09:59
Kersters symphony no.3 op.39 (1967, pub.1975) - movements
*Largo
*Poco allegro
*Allegro molto

Ryelandt- still looking for the tempo headers. Op.108, 1933.
Thanks! (I have heard of but not, I think, yet heard Ryelandt. Symphony no.5 has been recorded on CD too, in a new performance- well, no longer new, released in 1991 - conducted by Peire, with sym. 3 and a suite. Maybe allmusic.com has info about that CD, or something- checking.)
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: lechner1110 on Sunday 17 July 2011, 13:52
  eschiss1

  Thank you very much detail explanation always ;)
  I have Ryelandt's CD which contains Sym3 and sym5 by P.Peire.
  Both symphonies are petit work than his large scale symphony no.4
  But I like  Sym3 and 5 very much.
  Both works are filled with romantic flavor of Flemish.

  A.S
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: jimmosk on Thursday 21 July 2011, 16:33
Quote from: A.S on Sunday 17 July 2011, 13:52
  I have Ryelandt's CD which contains Sym3 and sym5 by P.Peire.
  Both symphonies are petit work than his large scale symphony no.4

I have to disagree with you there. While Sym5 is indeed small-scale and rather Neoclassical, Ryelandt's Third is ambitious and dramatic. It's true that it's only 32 minutes long, not the same size as Ryelandt's huge Sym4... but it's about as "petit" in ambition as a Taneyev symphony!

-J

--
Jim Moskowitz
The Unknown Composers Page: http://kith.org/jimmosk/TOC.html
My latest list of unusual classical CDs for auction: http://tinyurl.com/jimmosk
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: lechner1110 on Thursday 21 July 2011, 23:58

  jimmosk

  I understand.
  I shouldn't have used word 'petit'.
 I agree with you.


 A.S
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: jerfilm on Thursday 25 August 2011, 14:19
Oh, Ilja, I love the Benoit oratorio and I'm only about 2/3rds of the way thru the Prelude....

Thanks - Jerry
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Ilja on Friday 26 August 2011, 16:57
Hi Jerry,

Glad to hear it. More coming up!

Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: lechner1110 on Thursday 06 October 2011, 11:34

  Hello Arbuckle

  Thank you very much to upload many Belgian Composers music (and other countries music too!)
 
  I like Belgium symphonic music very much.
  So I hope to listen next Symphonies long time.
  I hope someone will share these someday!
 
  Baeyens, August   Symphony No.3
  Brusselmans, Michel   Symphony No.2 and no3
  Chevreuille, Raymond   Symphony No.2 "Des Souvenirs"(1944)
  de Jong, Marinus   Symphony No.2
  Meulemans, Arthur   Symphony No.6 "Sea Symphony"
  Rasse, Francois   Symphonie Romantique
  Schoemaker, Maurice   Symphony in a


  A.S





 
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 06 October 2011, 12:31
Thanks, Arbuckle, for Tinel's Feest - previously I've only known his Polyeucte.

A.S,: I have a recording of Rasse's Symphonie Romantique and will upload it to MediaFire later today, if no one beats me to it!
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: lechner1110 on Thursday 06 October 2011, 13:29

  Hello Mark

  Wonderful!!
  I'm looking forward it!
  Thanks a lot!!

  A.S
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 06 October 2011, 16:01
Rasse's Symphonie Romantique has now been added to this thread in the Downloads board.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 06 October 2011, 18:12
Mark - Re Tinel- I've only heard the 1st movement of Polyeucte (the only one broadcast over BBC); there are  three (http://imslp.org/wiki/3_Symphonic_Tableaux_after_Polyeucte,_Op.21_(Tinel,_Edgar)) (IMSLP also unfortunately only has the first, too, and as one sees, the proper title is 3 Symphonic Tableaux after (Corneille's) Polyeucte, Op.21).

Overture; Paulinen's Traumgesicht (or Songe de Pauline); Feier im Tempel Jupiters (Fête dans le temple de Jupiter) (pub. 1891, 1892, 1892).
Do you indeed have all three? Neat...
(The library SLUB Dresden has all three in score, I think.)
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 06 October 2011, 22:36
No, Eric, confusion on my part. What I have (on a Cypres CD: CYP 1605, coupled with De Boeck's Symphony) is only the Overture to Polyeucte. I had quite forgotten until I re-read the insert notes just now, that the Overture is the first of three numbers, the last of which is The Feast. Still, two (now) out of three isn't bad.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: lechner1110 on Saturday 08 October 2011, 03:55

  Hello Mark

  I listened Rasse's Symphonie Romantique today.
  This is wonderful work which I was expected!
  Thanks a lot :D

  Best   A.S

 
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 14 October 2011, 03:14
Ooh, Legley- should have noticed. I've listened to one of the two or three LP recordings of that Legley concerto at the university library (erm, to be clearer, there have been a few recordings, they have one of them :) ). Good piece (likewise at least some of the other works of his I've heard, like his 4th symphony, viola sonata, one of his string quartets, etc. Not too too much on CD and I'm not sure I've heard much of that- a wind symphony, other works. Anyhow, thanks!
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 14 October 2011, 04:52
Hrm, and a relatively recent CD has violin works by Legley (well, given that he died a couple of decades ago, recent-ish works) including a solo sonata op.123 and - hrm- does this mean 3 - well- "Drie Meisjes sonate for violin & piano" opus 122 (1993, year before he died in '94) (not his first violin sonatas- his sonata opus 12 is also on the recording - anyway. I should see about hearing that disc. Belgian radio Klara Continuo, which webstreams, may play part of something from there sometime...)
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: britishcomposer on Friday 14 October 2011, 22:22
Thanks for the Waelput, Jerry! Perhaps you will find more about him when you spell his christian name 'HendriK'  ;)
His Flute Concerto has been recorded and sent a few times. Quite a substantial piece at 32 minutes!
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: jimmosk on Saturday 15 October 2011, 06:37
Quote from: britishcomposer on Friday 14 October 2011, 22:22
Thanks for the Waelput, Jerry! Perhaps you will find more about him when you spell his christian name 'HendriK'  ;)

For instance, http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Waelput (http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Waelput)
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: semloh on Saturday 15 October 2011, 07:16
The Waelput is very enjoyable - a fine work.
Thanks, Jerry! :)
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 16 October 2011, 20:11
Is the symphony in the file the 1872 symphony in D minor?
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 18 October 2011, 00:42
Also, re Jour de fête (Vreuls), I gather it was composed in 1907, can try to find out more about it perhaps... score apparently still published.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: lechner1110 on Tuesday 18 October 2011, 11:30

  Hello Jerry,

  I listened Victor Vreuls's symphonic poem today.
  I feel influence of D'indy and Franck's music from this symphonic poem.
  I didn't know this composers name ever, but this is very good work.


  Thanks

  Atsushi
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 18 October 2011, 13:02
According to Baker's (1919 3rd edition) he was a d'Indy student...
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: lechner1110 on Wednesday 02 November 2011, 09:45

  Hello mikehopf,  Thanks to upload rare Belgium composers Violin concerto!

  I assume this composer Hanssens is maybe ' Charles-Louis Hanssens ( 1802-1871 ) '
  http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles-Louis_Hanssens (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles-Louis_Hanssens)

  Anyway, much appreciate :D
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: semloh on Wednesday 02 November 2011, 09:54
For information on Charles Louis HANSSENS [jeune] (b. Gent, 12/07/1802 - d. Brussels, 08/04/1871) see:

http://www.svm.be/content/hanssens-charles-louis-jeune?display=biography&language=en

Not to be confused with his father, Charles Louis Joseph HANSSENS [b. Gent, 04/05/1777 - d. Brussels, 06/04/1852]

Both were composers and violinists, but I assume this concerto is by 'junior'!  :)


Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Richard Moss on Tuesday 15 November 2011, 16:43
'Mikehopf'

Having now downloaded the Hanssens works and transferred to CD, an initial listen to check they had transferred OK indicated the speech intro at the start of the violin concerto (and also another work) was at a speeded up rate.

Was this just the speech or is the music speeded up also.  Has anyone else encountered this? 

Also, the Hanssens VC was in several tracks just numbered 2 to 5.  Do these correspond to movements.  Any idea on their tempi?

Normally I do not have a 'speed' problem when downloading and CD transfers  from UC. 

I appreciate this was your first upload/download so any help/clarification you can give to get this sorted much appreciated.

Thanks

Richard
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: mikehopf on Tuesday 15 November 2011, 22:18
Richard, I'll redo the Hanssens VC in the next few days.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Richard Moss on Wednesday 16 November 2011, 13:33
Mike,

Tks for re-uploading.  I now have 4 clean tracks (presumably the work is in 4 mvts?)  As you say, hopefully someone 'in the know' can provide further details on that.

Many thanks

Richard
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 17 November 2011, 16:03
I think- I'm not sure- that a work- perhaps the violin concerto -of Hanssens (maybe his concertino instead, maybe both) - has been republished by Höflich recently - but the preface is not online, so any information about movements must be obtained by someone with access to the score- but at least the republication (of whichever work) makes the score more accessible in principle than if it were still in its first edition (or in ms.)
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: lechner1110 on Monday 28 November 2011, 09:27

  Latvian, Many many thanks for Leon Jongen's music :)
  I'm downloading now...Looking forward to listen :D
 
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: JimL on Thursday 01 December 2011, 01:03
Quote from: Richard Moss on Wednesday 16 November 2011, 13:33
Mike,

Tks for re-uploading.  I now have 4 clean tracks (presumably the work is in 4 mvts?)  As you say, hopefully someone 'in the know' can provide further details on that.

Many thanks

Richard
No the work is in 3 movements run together, but they're divided up rather oddly on the download.  The slow movement reprise begins the 3rd track, followed by the beginning of the finale.  Then the 4th track starts with the final couple of minutes of the finale followed by what seems to be 4 minutes fifteen seconds of total silence.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 02 December 2011, 22:17
Sorry, posted that in the French downloads discussion section, I think it may belong here...

Re Rasse, Naxos isn't offering the concerto on CD, but they are offering the Decca (Hosselet/Defossez) recording on their site in some areas (not others) for streaming and download to people who subscribe to the Naxos Music Library (see here (http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=9.80132).) They may remaster it on CD in future, I suppose- don't know.
(From which one sees that the movements are
I. Recitativo - Allegro moderato
II. Andante
III. Finale: Allegro giocoso ).
Jongen's piano concerto op.127 is also available in some regions on the same page.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: JollyRoger on Wednesday 21 December 2011, 22:56
I'm a bit surprised that there are no works by Marcel Poot (1901-1988) posted in Belgian music. I am especially interested in the 7 symphonies he composed.

Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 22 December 2011, 00:33
... me too.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: X. Trapnel on Thursday 22 December 2011, 03:01
All of the Poot symphonies were once available on Marco Polo, neo-classicism with iron shavings. I found them rather grating.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Dundonnell on Friday 30 December 2011, 13:12
Atsushi,

Again...many thanks for the Meulemans 13th and last symphony. I know the composer's 2nd, 3rd and 7th symphonies from Marco Polo cds but did not appreciate that he had actually gone on to write so many symphonies ;D

Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: lechner1110 on Friday 30 December 2011, 14:14
  Yes, I know his early symphonies by Marco polo.  These are very beautiful symphonies, in my view.
   I hope his all symphonies will become available. ::)
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 05 January 2012, 06:13
It looks like it may be a privately-produced label of the violinist's, I'm not sure, but according to this (http://composers-classical-music.com/h/HanssensCharlesLouisII.htm) put together with some other sources for comprehensions' sake, it seems the Hanssens violin concerto recording was released on CD by Paul Klinck Productions (that is, again, the violinist's own CD label) at some point?

RISM also lists a flute concerto and cello concertino (a minor; 1836/1855; short score and orchestral parts at Brussels library), and quite a few other works, at least in score or parts at various libraries (apparently complete in most cases, though whether legible it doesn't say...), among other works by (possibly the same- maybe his uncle?) Hanssens... (dictionary entries mention several other concertos etc. written. If there exist recordings of some kind of the one complete string quartet he left in manuscript (in C (minor?), 1830s? ,- several fragments of others) that is in the Brussels library, incipits at RISM, I'm very interested- but should ask in the Requests forum, true... or just to be pointed to them if they exist commercially, of course :) )
Apparently a book on Hanssens was written by Louis Bärwolf (a friend?) and published by Larcier in Brussels in 1894 (Charles-Louis Hanssens. Sa vie et ses oeuvres); it is RISM's source for some of their background information on various works (e.g. the concertino.)
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Latvian on Friday 06 January 2012, 01:39
QuoteAgain...many thanks for the Meulemans 13th and last symphony.

Actually, he wrote a total of 15 symphonies...
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Dundonnell on Friday 06 January 2012, 12:48
Quote from: Latvian on Friday 06 January 2012, 01:39
QuoteAgain...many thanks for the Meulemans 13th and last symphony.

Actually, he wrote a total of 15 symphonies...

So he did ;D

Michael Herman's Discography needs updating ;D
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Mykulh on Friday 06 January 2012, 16:13
Thanks guys for pointing this out to me. The correction has already been made and will appear online as soon as updates can be uploaded at MWI headquarters. It's great having all those eyes out there!

Michael
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Dundonnell on Wednesday 08 February 2012, 00:56
There are now two separate Belgian Music Downloads threads-one started by jowcol yesterday and the other by Atsushi last July.

Perhaps they can be merged ???
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Dundonnell on Wednesday 08 February 2012, 01:07
PETER CABUS
(1923-2000) BELGIUM

Born in Mechelen. Encouraged initially by Godfried Devreese, he continued his musical education at the Lemmens Institute where his teachers were Flor Peeters and Marinus De Jong for organ and piano. He then went on to the Royal Conservatory in Brussels to study composition and fugue with Jean Absil and Léon Jongen). He held several teaching posts and eventually succeeded his first teacher Devreese as director of the conservatory in Mechelen. Cabus was an extremely prolific composer in practically all genres with many of his more than 200 works composed for educational purposes. Orchestral works comprise a substantial part of his output including many Concertos for various instruments and Symphonies. In the latter category are the following unrecorded works: Symphony No. 1 (1946), No. 2 (1957), No. 3 (1961), No. 5 (1987), No. 6 "Sinfonia Breve" (1993), Sinfonia for Chamber Orchestra (1964), Sinfonia Concertante for Harpsichord, Piano and String Orchestra (1973) and Sinfonietta (1951).

(From Michael Herman's Benelux Discography on Musicweb)
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 08 February 2012, 07:44
Oops, didn't spot the duplication. The two Belgian topics have now been merged successfully - maybe the country itself could follow suit?
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Christo on Wednesday 08 February 2012, 08:26
Quote from: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 08 February 2012, 07:44
maybe the country itself could follow suit?

It did so, succesfully, in 1831, when it became a French speaking nation. Second thoughts came later.  ::)
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: jowcol on Wednesday 08 February 2012, 12:05
Thanks for the merge.  I think I searched "Belgium" instead of Belgian-- or maybe I lost track in my recent flurry of posts, but I like the organizational structure here, and am glad someone spotted the duplication.

(You will note that in the "genre" tag for mp3s I am uploading, I'm using a classifcation by the folder here and the century -- e.g. "Belgian 20th Century") .

Trying very hard not to quote the Monty Python sketch where they had a Prejudice game show, and a contest to come up with derogatory terms for Belgians....
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Ilja on Wednesday 08 February 2012, 12:55
Quote from: Christo on Wednesday 08 February 2012, 08:26
Quote from: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 08 February 2012, 07:44
maybe the country itself could follow suit?

It did so, succesfully, in 1831, when it became a French speaking nation. Second thoughts came later.  ::)

Strictly speaking, of course, it unmerged with the Netherlands in 1830/1831, then became a unified nation of sorts until the Flemish started protesting more and more from the 1870s onwards.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Latvian on Wednesday 08 February 2012, 17:19
Cabus' Symphony No. 2 is not downloading for me, I keep getting an error message. No problems with any other Mediafire downloads this morning, so it must be the Cabus...
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: jowcol on Wednesday 08 February 2012, 20:24
I'll test it this evening.   I've noticed a few times recently  mediafire has been getting  finicky.  One time, there may have been an extra space after the name, which shouldn't be a problem but..
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: jowcol on Thursday 09 February 2012, 01:50
Try Cabus 2nd again.  I re-uploaded it, and it seems to be behaving.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Latvian on Thursday 09 February 2012, 02:39
Thanks, jowcol!

It still refused to work for me when I clicked on the link (on a different machine and a different ISP than this morning). But, when I copied and pasted the link into the URL instead, all was well. Go figure!
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: jowcol on Thursday 09 February 2012, 03:58
Quote from: Latvian on Thursday 09 February 2012, 02:39
Thanks, jowcol!

It still refused to work for me when I clicked on the link (on a different machine and a different ISP than this morning). But, when I copied and pasted the link into the URL instead, all was well. Go figure!

I've updated the posting to suggest that.  Maybe some weird control character thing when I tried to embed the link.  Or perhaps my heart is not pure....
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Jacky on Saturday 18 February 2012, 21:15
I am trying to download Jean Absyl romanian rhapsody but the link is dead.Can this be fixed?
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: JimL on Saturday 18 February 2012, 23:20
Quote from: jowcol on Thursday 09 February 2012, 03:58
Quote from: Latvian on Thursday 09 February 2012, 02:39
Thanks, jowcol!

It still refused to work for me when I clicked on the link (on a different machine and a different ISP than this morning). But, when I copied and pasted the link into the URL instead, all was well. Go figure!

I've updated the posting to suggest that.  Maybe some weird control character thing when I tried to embed the link.  Or perhaps my heart is not pure....
Use the Force, Jowcol!
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Dundonnell on Saturday 18 February 2012, 23:52
Quote from: Jacky on Saturday 18 February 2012, 21:15
I am trying to download Jean Absyl romanian rhapsody but the link is dead.Can this be fixed?

I have uploaded it for you from my downloaded collection :)
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Jacky on Sunday 19 February 2012, 12:02
Thank you!!
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: jowcol on Tuesday 21 February 2012, 15:42
I've posted a Violin Concerto by Victor Legley in the downloads section, but I'm not sure which one-- I have some notes in that post.

(http://www.mason.be/images/legleyv.jpg)

Bio:
Vic Legley (18 June 1915 in Hazebrouck  – 28 November 1994 in Ostend) was a Belgian violist and composer of classical music, of French birth. He first studied in Ypres with Lionel Bromme. In 1935 he matriculated at the Royal Conservatory in Brussels, and there won awards in the study of viola, fugue, counterpoint and chamber music.

In 1941, Legley began studying with Jean Absil, and in 1943 he received the second Belgian Prix de Rome. After World War II he played in the Brussels Opera Orchestra and also in the Déclin Quartet, where he encountered the music of Béla Bartók and of Arnold Schoenberg. At about this time (in 1942) he wrote his first symphony, first of a series of eight (the last of which was written in 1993 and premiered in 1994), and also his first string quartet (first of five, 1941–63, 1990) (Randel, Don Michael (1996).) [1]
He was chairman of SABAM (the authors' rights association) from 1980 to 1992,[2] and from 1986 to 1990 president of the Union of Belgian Composers.[3]

His last years saw a turn towards wind-band music; his Symphony No. 7 is scored for this ensemble. His output also includes 3 violin concertos[4], a viola concerto, and a piano concerto, among others.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 22 February 2012, 11:37
I rather like what of Legley's music I've heard (unsurprising I guess, I once maintained a webpage discography of sorts).  There were a couple of LPs of the 2nd violin concerto including one of the Defossez recording ([http://www.worldcat.org/title/concerto-pour-violon-et-orchestre/oclc/4311829]this[/url])- if someone has access to the LP (I should see if the library here does...) its notes may have more information on the dates of the performance. Several of his works seemed to me quite appealingly lyrical and spiky in pleasant combination ;) (including his viola sonata if memory serves.)
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 22 March 2012, 12:01
What an enjoyable piece the Théo Ysaÿe Piano Concerto is! Thanks very much, Ilja. I'm not really an enthusiast of all that dark brown Franckian music which the old fellow inspired in so many fin de siècle Francophone composers, but Ysaÿe seems to manage a deftness of touch both in the orchestral colour and the melodic material which lightens the usual gloom whilst still sharing Cèsar Franck's influence. I'd never heard of brother Théo, but I see that his catalogue (described as "relatively vast" by the author of his Wikipedia entry - relative to what?) includes one completed symphony and much orchestral and chamber music. Someone worth investigating on the showing of this attractive work I'd say.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: lechner1110 on Saturday 31 March 2012, 13:50

  Many thanks for uploading of musics by Marcel Quinet , allison :D
  I know his father Fernand Quinet's musics by Cypres CD, but I met Marcel's music first time!
  There are good early modern French- Belgium atmosphere in his music.  Thank you!
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: caostotale on Saturday 31 March 2012, 16:53
 ;D ;D ;D

Thanks so much for the Marcel Quinet, Allison! I've studied some of his concerto scores, but never got the chance to actually hear his work performed. This is fantastic.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: JimL on Monday 02 April 2012, 00:50
Downloaded the Ysaÿe PC today.  Got the movements from IMSLP.  It's a 4 movement work with a lot of tempo changes within the movements.  I'll have to give it a listen and split it later, but the fragment I heard sounded tantalizing.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Sydney Grew on Monday 02 April 2012, 07:10
Yes, thank you Allison for all the Quinet - much appreciated.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Ilja on Thursday 05 April 2012, 16:19
Quote from: Mark Thomas on Thursday 22 March 2012, 12:01
What an enjoyable piece the Théo Ysaÿe Piano Concerto is! Thanks very much, Ilja. I'm not really an enthusiast of all that dark brown Franckian music which the old fellow inspired in so many fin de siècle Francophone composers, but Ysaÿe seems to manage a deftness of touch both in the orchestral colour and the melodic material which lightens the usual gloom whilst still sharing Cèsar Franck's influence. I'd never heard of brother Théo, but I see that his catalogue (described as "relatively vast" by the author of his Wikipedia entry - relative to what?) includes one completed symphony and much orchestral and chamber music. Someone worth investigating on the showing of this attractive work I'd say.

Thanks Mark, it was something of a discovery for me too. There is a Ysaÿe symphony listed among the works recorded by Daniel Sternefeld with the Flemish Radio Symphony in the 1960s, but it doesn't say which of the brothers wrote it, nor does it give further specifics. Next time I'm in the Flemish radio archives, I'll have a look.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: mjkFendrich on Saturday 14 April 2012, 13:56
Dear Arbuckle,

could you perhaps repost the items by Ysaye and Absil?


Quote from: Arbuckle on Thursday 06 October 2011, 04:24
http://www.mediafire.com/?0vkdrrj025rjf (http://www.mediafire.com/?0vkdrrj025rjf)

From LP Cultura 5069-10:

Vic Legley (1915-1994)
  Concerto No. 2 for Violin and Orchestra
    Andre Gertler, Violin, Nationaal Orkest van Belgie, Francois Huybrechts
Eugene Ysaye (1858-1931)
  Extase
    Andre Gertler, Violin, Nationaal Orkest van Belgie, Francois Huybrechts
Jean Absil (1893-1974)
  Roemeense Rapsodie
    Andre Gertler, Violin, Nationaal Orkest van Belgie, Francois Huybrechts

From 10" LP London International W 91063

Francois Rasse (1873-1955)
  Concerto en ut (c) majeur pour violon et orchestre
    Robert Hosselet, Violon, L'Orchestre National de Belgique, Rene Defossez

From LP Cultura 5074-1

Edgar Tinel (1854-1912)
  Feest in de Tempel van Jupiter, Op. 21 Nr. 3 (1881)
    "De Philharmonie" von Antwerpen, Daniel Sternefeld

From LP Cultura 5070-V 1

Willem Kersters (1929-1998)
  Symfonie Nr. 3, Op. 39
    National Orkest van Belgie, Daniel Sternefeld
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Greg K on Saturday 14 April 2012, 21:35
I believe Arbuckle has left the forum and all his previous uploads are inactive.

Perhaps someone else can restore these.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Dundonnell on Saturday 14 April 2012, 22:14
I have uploaded the two violin pieces for you as requested from my own downloaded collection :)
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: lechner1110 on Tuesday 22 May 2012, 10:40

Elroel,  Thank you very much for your uploads of many rare Belgium LP recordings. (Of course, other countries LPs too!)
To my regrettable,  I don't have have time to listen them in weekdays, but I will enjoy them in my holidays. Much appreciate! :D
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: semloh on Tuesday 22 May 2012, 11:18
Quote from: Greg K on Saturday 14 April 2012, 21:35
I believe Arbuckle has left the forum ................

I'm sorry to hear that - what a pity!  :(
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Dundonnell on Tuesday 22 May 2012, 17:53
Elroel- your last Belgian upload (the Decadt piece) has no link attached :(
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Dundonnell on Wednesday 23 May 2012, 00:44
Elroel...the de Vocht Violin Concerto is missing the second file required to download properly.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Elroel on Wednesday 23 May 2012, 23:51
Hello all,

I have repaired the upload for De Vocht's Violin Concerto, by adding the second part.

As far as Decadt's Monograph concerns: the is file is gone from Mediafire. I will be uploading  it hopefully tonight.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Elroel
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: lechner1110 on Thursday 24 May 2012, 13:44

  Thank you Elroel,  My country's violinist plays nice unknown concerto  ;)   
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 03 June 2012, 00:33
Hanssens violin concertos-
apparently he wrote at least two, one in D major and one in A. The one in D- the one we have - has the movement scheme Allegro non troppo / Andantino / Allegretto (see RISM (http://opac.rism.info/search?documentid=702003797) , again. Click weitere incipits to see all 6 incipits - the violin solo starting about 2 minutes (56 bars of common time) into the first file being the first.) (Also concertos for flute and perhaps for piano if these are independent works- at least one of those for piano is an arrangement of one of those for flute.)

(The finale Allegretto begins ca. 1:14 into track 3.)
The manuscript copy at Brussels Royal Conservatory is signed 1848 July 2 (well, le 2 Juillet 1848), Gand (apparently by Tourbée who made the copy, not by the composer- in any case the work was composed -by- 1848, for what that's worth.)
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 03 June 2012, 00:46
What's even nicer, there is a scan of (just the cello and bass part- but more than nothing, which is printed-musically-speaking, what one had...) of this concerto at Madrid library. Search for Hanssens, and click the right links, and you'll find the PDF- it helps to use Google Chrome if Spanish is not one's native language... (Madrid estimates a date of 1825-or-so for the concerto- would have to look into that but it's not impossible as some dates, e.g. that 1910 publication date for the Simonsen symphonies that weren't to be written for a decade...)

Hrm. The other concerto seems to be more usually called the Grande Fantaisie in A major.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 03 June 2012, 09:31
Thanks much for the Legley 3rd concerto!
I see from CeBeDeM that it was commissioned for Jenny Spanoghe, composed in 1990, and that the movements/sections are
#Andante molto e tranquillo - Allegro risoluto
#Quasi adagio
#Non troppo vivo

Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: fr8nks on Sunday 10 June 2012, 20:50
I have uploaded Jean Absil's Piano Concertos Nos.2 & 3 and Symphonies Nos.3 & 4. Unfortunately PC No.1 and Symphony No.2 and his Serenade all appear on CD Musique en Wallonie 3602.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 11 June 2012, 01:55
Well, it means hopefully somewhat wider distribution for what I assume is fairly good stuff, so it's not -that- unfortunate. Thanks!
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: fr8nks on Monday 11 June 2012, 14:58
I've added movement titles for Absil's PC No.2 and I've uploaded two new works. I've also added movement titles for Symphony No.3.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 11 June 2012, 18:53
I wonder if that LP of Absil's symphonies 3 and 4 had much international distribution - I can't seem to find out anything about it. But the 3rd symphony has track titles now but not the 4th symphony which actually arrived subdivided? :) Well, better something than nothing, and always thanks for the music!
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: jowcol on Friday 15 June 2012, 17:44
Music of Joseph Jongen

(http://musictimeline.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/948jongen_joseph.gif)


1. Serenade for Strings

Belgian String Ensemble
Nicolai Berezowski, Conductor

2. Commentary

3. In The Fragrance of the Pines
Lucian Laporte Kirch, Cello

4. Outro

From the collection of Karl Miller
Source: Radio broadcast, date unknown

Wikipedia Bio
Joseph Jongen
Marie-Alphonse-Nicolas-Joseph Jongen (14 December 1873 – 12 July 1953) was a Belgian organist, composer, and music educator.
Contents

Biography
Jongen was born in Liège. On the strength of an amazing precocity for music, he was admitted to the Liège Conservatoire at the extraordinarily young age of seven, and spent the next sixteen years there. Jongen won a First Prize for Fugue in 1895, an honors diploma in piano the next year, and another for organ in 1896. In 1897, he won the prestigious Prix de Rome, which allowed him to travel to Italy, Germany and France.

He began composing at the age of 13, and immediately exhibited exceptional talent in that field too. By the time he published his Opus 1, he already had dozens of works to his credit. His monumental and massive First String Quartet was composed in 1894 and was submitted for the annual competition for fine arts held by the Royal Academy of Belgium, where it was awarded the top prize by the jury.

In 1902, he returned to his native land, and in the following year he was named a professor of harmony and counterpoint at his old Liège college. With the outbreak of World War I, he and his family moved to England where he founded a piano quartet. When peace returned, he came back to Belgium and was named professor of fugue at the Royal Conservatoire in Brussels. From 1925 until 1929, he served as director of that institution; a quarter of a century after leaving the directorship, he died at Sart-lez-Spa, Belgium.

Compositions
From his teens to his seventies Jongen composed a great deal, including symphonies, concertos (for cello, for piano and for harp), chamber music (notably a late string trio and three string quartets), and songs, some with piano, others with orchestra. (His list of opus numbers eventually reached 241, but he destroyed a good many pieces.) Today, the only part of his oeuvre performed with any regularity is his output for organ, much of it solo, some of it in combination with other instruments.

His monumental Symphonie Concertante of 1926 is a tour de force, considered by many to be among the greatest works ever written for organ and orchestra.[1] Numerous eminent organists of modern times (such as Virgil Fox, Jean Guillou, and Michael Murray) have championed and recorded it. The work was commissioned by Rodman Wanamaker for debut in the Grand Court of his palatial Philadelphia department store, Wanamaker's. Its intended use was for the re-dedication of the world's largest pipe organ there, the Wanamaker Organ. as part of a series of concerts Rodman Wanamaker funded with Leopold Stokowski and the Philadelphia Orchestra. Mr. Wanamaker's death in 1928 precluded the performance of the work at that time in the venue for which it was written, but it was finally performed for the first time with the Wanamaker Organ and the Philadelphia Orchestra on 27 September 2008.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: Balapoel on Sunday 17 June 2012, 20:54
Quick question about the Jongen pieces:
I can find no reference to a  serenade for strings nor a In The Fragrance of the Pines
Could these refer to:
2 pieces, op.51, vc, pf, 1916
or
Serenades for string quartet, Op. 61 (1918)
2 pieces, 4 vc, op. 89, no. 1 (1929)
or 2 esquisses for string quartet, op. 97 (1933)?
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: jowcol on Monday 18 June 2012, 22:51
To be honest-- I wouldn't know any better, but the names were from the radio broadcast, and they could have been Americanized.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: minacciosa on Tuesday 19 June 2012, 01:27
The Frgrance of the Pines is more commonly known as " Dans la douceur des pins". An exquisite performance of it can be heard here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKR7ra1BQvk
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 19 June 2012, 01:27
I can't find offhand any work by Leon or Joseph Jongen whose title is The Fragrance of the Pines in French either - that I can tell - though there are many individual songs by both composers bundled into opus groups and unpublished groups that I for one don't know of (which doesn't say much) and which CeBeDeM and RecMusic don't list (which also doesn't say much) though they might be on one of a few recent recordings of vocal works by him...
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 19 June 2012, 01:30
ah ok. Thanks, that does do it. It's Joseph Jongen's Opus 51/1 of 1916 for cello and orchestra, cello and piano or piano solo. I don't know what his opus 51 is in general (at the moment) that it's the first -of- :)

Hrm. Op.51/2 is a caprice-impromptu. Op.51/1 was published the next year; not sure about op.51/2. There is a recording of both of them on a CD of Jongen's complete cello works (Phaedra, ca.2002) by Karel Steylaerts and Piet Kuijken.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: jerfilm on Tuesday 19 June 2012, 03:15
Thanks Minacciosa, that REALLY is a lovely performance of the Jongen......

Jerry
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 19 June 2012, 10:31
Very briefly a movement breakdown (from the score- this wasn't hard to find) of the Ysaÿe piano concerto published in (perhaps not composed in?) 1907 might be
I. Introduction. Assez modéré et largement
II. Scherzo. Anime, pas trop vite.
III. Andante. Lentement, pas trop
IV. Finale. Très animé.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: minacciosa on Tuesday 19 June 2012, 20:59
The cellist Camille Thomas REALLY understands this composer. I hope she'll do more Jongen.
Title: Re: Belgian music
Post by: britishcomposer on Saturday 30 June 2012, 18:05
The correct spelling is Raymond Chevreuille but even that doesn't offer you much. For the French speaking members:
http://www.cebedem.be/fr/compositeurs/c/52-chevreuille-raymond (http://www.cebedem.be/fr/compositeurs/c/52-chevreuille-raymond)