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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 05 April 2017, 00:28

Title: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 05 April 2017, 00:28
...forthcoming from Hyperion:
http://www.clicmusique.com/cipriani-potter-concertos-pour-piano-shelley-p-98303.html (http://www.clicmusique.com/cipriani-potter-concertos-pour-piano-shelley-p-98303.html)

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Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 05 April 2017, 07:49
How interesting. Definitely one to explore...
Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: thalbergmad on Wednesday 05 April 2017, 18:50
Been waiting for this for a long time. We know from his symphony recordings what this man was  capable of.

Yonks ago i played through the D minor concerto. I recall a Ries type vibe, but the years may have dulled my senses.

Anyway, a definate for me.

Thal
Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: Jimfin on Thursday 06 April 2017, 00:51
Excellent news! Yes, I'm very fond of his symphonies, far more than those MacFarren ones that CPO did. This should be a great release
Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: redieze on Thursday 06 April 2017, 18:15
this ancestor of Harry (!!)also wrote  a symphony (recorded by Unicorn-Kanchana in the 1990')Maybe hope some victorian concertos like Benedict or Bache (also that very dear Hypérion Records !)
Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Thursday 06 April 2017, 18:31
There are 9 extant symphonies, though their numbering is confusing and indicate that he wrote more. (The eccentric numbering is mostly the fault of te composer.) Three have been given commercial recordings: Nos 8 & 10 (actually no. 6) on Unicorn and No. 7 (actually no. 4) on Classico.
Hyperion have already recorded piano concertos by Benedict and Bache (see Vols. 48 and 43 respectively of the Romantic Piano Concerto series).
Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: oldman on Friday 07 April 2017, 06:29
THis is now listed for Pre-Order from Apple iTunes as available jul 28, 2017. Based on the excepts previewed, its going to be a wonderful disk!
Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: FBerwald on Monday 10 April 2017, 07:14
I wonder if there is an extant Piano Concerto No. 1 & 3 ...
Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 10 April 2017, 09:00
There are, as far as I know, only three PCs extant.
Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 10 April 2017, 11:53
So, which of 1 and 3 has fallen by the wayside then, Gareth?
Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 10 April 2017, 13:23
Only three are listed in the Philharmonic Society archive in the BL. They are described thus:
Piano Concerto in E, 1835
Piano Concerto No. 2 in D minor, 1832
Piano Concerto in E flat, n.d. (wm 1833)

so I'm guessing the missing PC is No. 1
Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: Mark Thomas on Tuesday 11 April 2017, 08:25
Thanks, Gareth.
Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 20 April 2017, 21:47
An excerpt from the slow movement of PC4 can be heard here:
http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/ym.asp?ym=2017_08 (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/ym.asp?ym=2017_08)
Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 10 May 2017, 12:18
Further details and excerpts are now available here:
http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/dc.asp?dc=D_CDA68151 (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/dc.asp?dc=D_CDA68151)
Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: semloh on Wednesday 10 May 2017, 21:49
Thanks for advising this was on the way, and for the links. I must find a niche for it somewhere in the collection!

Potter seems to be doing pretty well for a composer who was virtually unknown 20 years ago. As someone on UC pointed out recently, we are in a 'golden age' when it comes to musical revivals.
Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 08 August 2017, 17:17
Lovely, lively music, this. The idiom? A delicious amalgam of influences from late Mozart and Beethoven, i.e. late classicism infused with a burgeoning romantic spirit pointing forward to Mendelssohn (and Chopin in the slow movements). The orchestration strikes me as being particular fine, its richness created by often powerful writing for brass in tuttis.

We should definitely hear more from one of our finest early 19thC composers...
Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: Mark Thomas on Tuesday 08 August 2017, 18:11
I couldn't agree more. The whole disc is an absolute delight from start to finish. What a good composer Potter was, and how well served he is here. The music has all the brilliance of Czerny, say, but with much more substance and memorability than the Viennese usually displays. A great addition to the RPC series.
Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Tuesday 08 August 2017, 21:56
I can only say that I agree wholeheartedly with Alan's and Mark's comments. I hope that Hyperion will eventually get round to recording the other concertante piano works of Potter on a later disk.
What would also be very desirable is a survey of all the extant symphonies.
Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 08 August 2017, 22:53
Having heard (and been _very_ impressed) by several of his symphonies I look forward to hearing this CD, and more of his music in general (and yes the best of that of his still-undersung contemporaries too. Hoping for. (I wonder if Hyperion plans to record Wilms' concerto.))
Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 09 August 2017, 00:25
I can certainly wave it under their noses (or rather Simon Perry's nose). WorldCat lists two piano concertos by Wilms, Op. 12 and Op. 32 - parts for both in Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin, as far as I can see. The list attached to his Wikipedia article gives no Op. 32 but lists a  Piano Concerto in E major, Op. 3 as well as "Piano Concerto No. 2 in C major, Op. 12", so there may be three. I think they are the sort of stuff Howard Shelley would be interested in.
Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: pianoconcerto on Wednesday 09 August 2017, 15:08
As you probably know, Wilms's piano concertos Opp. 3 and 12 have been recorded previously on CD (albeit on fortepiano).  In my discography, I have:

Wilms, Johann Wilhelm (1772-1847) Netherlands
Concerto No. 1 in E, Op. 3 (1798)
+Alpha 052:  Arthur Schoonderwoerd (fortepiano)/Ensemble Cristofori

Concerto No. 2 in C, Op. 12 (1805-6)
+Ars Produktion 38 024:  Paolo Giacometti (fortepiano)/Kölner Academie/Michael Alexander Willens

These also have been posted on youtube. 

Having said that, a recording of anything by Howard Shelley would be most welcome!
Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 09 August 2017, 16:13
I didn't know that. Thank you. I will listen to these recordings. The Op. 32 may still be of interest, however.
Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 11 August 2017, 00:02
btw in re Wilms Op.32, unless this is a typo ...

"Concerto pour le Pianoforte avec accompagnement de l'Orchestre Oeuv. 32." (in F), published by Breitkopf ca.1812 (plate 2004) - Worldcat OCLC 961098893 (http://cornell.worldcat.org/title/concerto-pour-le-pianoforte-avec-accompagnement-de-lorchestre-oeuv-32/oclc/961098893) @ SBB-PK, Potsdamer Straße, 14 instrumental parts ?.

Adjusted the publication date from ca.1814 to ca.1812 based on the plate number and IMSLP's plate table (estimates taken from issues of AMZ Intelligenzblatt, etc.)
Title: Re: Potter PCs 2 & 4: Hyperion RPC vol.72
Post by: dhibbard on Monday 23 October 2017, 16:16
just found this string... just ordered this CD... hope its great !!