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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: Peter1953 on Tuesday 16 April 2013, 22:50

Title: Maria Szymanowska (1789-1831) – Complete Piano Works
Post by: Peter1953 on Tuesday 16 April 2013, 22:50
Anyone ever heard of this Polish woman composer? 
This 3 CD set (http://www.acteprealable.com/albums/new_ap0281-83.html) looks worth investigating.
Title: Re: Maria Szymanowska (1789-1831) – Complete Piano Works
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 17 April 2013, 00:58
Seem to recall hearing something of hers in a collection of works by Polish woman pianists/composers for piano, either a library recording or something rebroadcast over BBC...

I see that Anna Kijas wrote "Maria Szymanowska (1789-1831) : a bio-bibliography" published in 2010 by Scarecrow Press, by the way, and a book/recording pair was released in 2006 also ("Maria Szymanowska (1789-1831) : pianist and composer", maybe based on a dissertation of the same name submitted in 2001, according to Worldcat, by Sławomir Paweł Dobrzański to the University of Connecticut.)
Title: Re: Maria Szymanowska (1789-1831) – Complete Piano Works
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 17 April 2013, 01:14
Hrm. There have been a few other recordings of her music "recently", it looks like - e.g.

*a CD of her Ballades & Romances, released 2012 on Acte Préalable.
*a Szymanowska "album" CD on Ligia Digital, released back in 2004.
* a single CD of her piano works, on the DUX label, also 2004.

One or two others, plus appearances in compilation/anthology CDs...
Title: Re: Maria Szymanowska (1789-1831) – Complete Piano Works
Post by: Arkadiusz on Wednesday 29 May 2013, 01:20
Her complete piano works are available now on amazon. I think Ballades and Romances (songs) were also issued recently (played on a Broadwood from 1825) but I don't see them on amazon.
Title: Re: Maria Szymanowska (1789-1831) – Complete Piano Works
Post by: marianna on Monday 08 July 2013, 10:22
Hello, all the people interested by Maria Szymanowska's music and life! I invite you to visit the web-page of my international project about this exceptional Person and Artist: www.maria-szymanowska.eu (http://www.maria-szymanowska.eu) . You can choose one of 7 languages... I wish you a lot of interesting discoveries!
Title: Re: Maria Szymanowska (1789-1831) – Complete Piano Works
Post by: Peter1953 on Monday 08 July 2013, 17:17
Thank you Marianna, I will certainly explore your website.
Title: Re: Maria Szymanowska (1789-1831) – Complete Piano Works
Post by: JimL on Monday 08 July 2013, 21:18
There's not much there.  First thing they need is an inventory and catalogue posted.  Then we have something to talk about!
Title: Re: Maria Szymanowska (1789-1831) – Complete Piano Works
Post by: marianna on Monday 08 July 2013, 23:02
Hello JimL,
How can you say that "There's not much there"?! I put on my site ALL (or almost), what is possible to find on the internet and in the publishings in ALL languages about ​​Maria Szymanowska! You did not go far, I think, exploring my site ...
Title: Re: Maria Szymanowska (1789-1831) – Complete Piano Works
Post by: Miles R. on Tuesday 09 July 2013, 02:40
So there is more than one composer named Szymanowski! ("Szymanowska" is just the feminine form.)

The notes to the Dutton CD of the Blumenfeld and Catoire symphonies say that the mother* of Felix Blumenfeld was named Maria Szymanowska; but, since Blumenfeld was born in 1863, this was obviously a different one.

*Edited, because I somehow posted this with the word "father" at this point!  :-[  :-[
Title: Re: Maria Szymanowska (1789-1831) – Complete Piano Works
Post by: Mark Thomas on Tuesday 09 July 2013, 10:05
Marianna, I think that your web site is a remarkable achievement when one remembers how little information there is available about Maria Szymanowska. Very interesting and very well put together. Well done!
Title: Re: Maria Szymanowska (1789-1831) – Complete Piano Works
Post by: petershott@btinternet.com on Tuesday 09 July 2013, 11:35
Maybe I'll go for a compromise between Jim and Mark.

The website is indeed a remarkable achievement. What struck me immediately are the versions in various languages - wonderful and so very unusual in other comparable websites (now there's a real challenge to Mark: how about a Polish version of the invaluable Raff website? No need to respond to that one!) The translation into English is superbly fluent.

I've spent almost 45 minutes browsing through the site and have made many fascinating discoveries. I've much enjoyed the experience. And I've also had that humbling experience of discovering that having been provided with a little more knowledge I now know how very little I know! (There's a kind of vicious paradox there, but I won't pursue it!)

So I'm truly grateful for the website. Maria Szymanowska (whether or not she's somehow connected to Karol Szymanowski) is a figure who was totally unknown to me and I enjoyed finding out about her.

Yet Jim is also right in a way. The website seems to me a really splendid framework or skeleton on which so much else could be added. I'm hoping the website is a kind of 'work in progress' and as the Maria Szymanowski Project develops some of the fruits of that scholarly project will be added.

It also calls for some reviewing of material. Perhaps trivial, but under Relatives and Benefactors it does seem bizarre to list Shakespeare. And the painter Jozef Oleszkiewicz has the label 'nihilist' attached to him. Which is misleading I think since the term 'nihilist' gets coined in Turgenev's 'Father and Sons' which was published in 1862, and thus 36 years after the death of Oleszkiewicz. Sorry to snipe - but it is that kind of lack of care that might undermine the high repute which I consider the website might deserve.
Title: Re: Maria Szymanowska (1789-1831) – Complete Piano Works
Post by: JimL on Tuesday 09 July 2013, 18:06
All I'm saying is that for a website about a composer I couldn't find anything remotely resembling a catalogue of her music.  Maybe I was looking in the wrong places, but almost no mention of her oeuvre was made.  Nor does there seem to be any discussion of what was published, what remains in MS, and in what genres other than solo piano/piano with violin/piano with cello are there extant works to be explored.  Does that CD set contain all there is of her music?
Title: Re: Maria Szymanowska (1789-1831) – Complete Piano Works
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 09 July 2013, 18:18
Don't think you looked too hard, Jim. Try these clearly flagged links:
http://www.musicologie.org/Biographies/s/szymanowska.html (http://www.musicologie.org/Biographies/s/szymanowska.html)
http://miskinhill.com.au/journals/asees/23:1-2/music-economy-society (http://miskinhill.com.au/journals/asees/23:1-2/music-economy-society)
Title: Re: Maria Szymanowska (1789-1831) – Complete Piano Works
Post by: JimL on Tuesday 09 July 2013, 18:27
I read that, but going through an entire essay to glean information on her output is a rather tedious affair.  A listing is much more convenient.  And I'm still not sure if the works contained therein are the complete story.  I couldn't tell if she composed any concertante works for example.  I don't recall seeing any mention of any.
Title: Re: Maria Szymanowska (1789-1831) – Complete Piano Works
Post by: Mark Thomas on Tuesday 09 July 2013, 19:31
Just seemed a carping and negative welcome to Marianna, Jim...
Title: Re: Maria Szymanowska (1789-1831) – Complete Piano Works
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 09 July 2013, 20:53
As Mark says, Jim, your observations seem needlessly negative and unwelcoming. Perhaps you could offer Marianna some encouragement in her enterprise?
Title: Re: Maria Szymanowska (1789-1831) – Complete Piano Works
Post by: marianna on Tuesday 09 July 2013, 23:46
Hello all together!
I was really happy reading your observations and opinions! You are all right, because it's obvious that everyone has his own approach, his intellectual sensibility and his "dose" of patience concerning this kind of web-page...
I would like just to specify that I didn't want to "steal" the result of research from some musicologists and historians, but I wanted to make possible its discovery by the people who don't speak Polish or Russian... There are some interesting texts about Szymanowska, her life and work written in these languages, since about 10 years – also in English, but practically nothing in French or Italian...

If you want to obtain in English the list of her works, I advise you to find the book of Anna Kijas http://www.amazon.com/Maria-Szymanowska-1789-1831-A-Bio-Bibliography/dp/0810876841 (http://www.amazon.com/Maria-Szymanowska-1789-1831-A-Bio-Bibliography/dp/0810876841)

If you want to listen to her music, you can find some CD with her piano works or with her Songs. I don't want to advise you any, because it's a question of personal preferences... But it's very important to underline that the final impression concerning this music depends of the creativity and the art of its performers, because:
1) A lot of her works are often just like outlines...  She was – inevitably! – an autodidact composer;
2) There are no "models" to play this kind of music;
3) She had an incredible musical imagination, she was one of these pianists who wanted to make from the piano a "singing instrument", she loved all kind of "artistic truth" and good theatricality , but – limited in her knowledge of the composer's "métier" - she preferred to reduce her musical language to the piano' and voice' pieces (a very intelligent woman, n'est-ce pas?!)

Some of musicologists are calling her "Chopin before Chopin"... I think, she was a "Liszt before Liszt"!

You can discover interesting ideas about her work reading some critics concerning the CD with her Ballads & Romances (AP 0260):
a) By Steve Arloff  in MusicWeb International :  http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2012/June12/Szymanowska_Ballads_AP0260.htm (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2012/June12/Szymanowska_Ballads_AP0260.htm)
b) By Pierre Degott, who is speaking about a "female composer of genius" in ResMusica : http://www.resmusica.com/2012/10/08/maria-szymanowska-une-compositrice-de-genie/ (http://www.resmusica.com/2012/10/08/maria-szymanowska-une-compositrice-de-genie/)

Regarding anecdotal subjects such as the association of Maria Szymanowska (born Wolowska) with Karol Szymanowski, I can reply asking you if you know only one family with the name Schubert or Ravel...

As for Jozef Oleszkiewicz ("Artist, nihilist, mystic and prophet, hero of the third part of the drama Dziady ...), I only translated the first words of the long text written in Polish by Alwida A. Bajor. I can't reply in her name...

Maria Szymanowska is for me much more than a talented composer and an outstanding female professional pianist (one of the first in Europe) : The story of her life and carrier reflects some very important facts in the Polish and European culture.
Her modernity consists foremost in wanting to live her own choice and not to disperse her vital energy in conflicts devoted in advance to failure.
Title: Re: Maria Szymanowska (1789-1831) – Complete Piano Works
Post by: JimL on Wednesday 10 July 2013, 16:28
Thanks!  A reference to a catalogue works for me!