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Title: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: alharris on Friday 11 July 2014, 17:47
This is a very intriguing upcoming release on Hyperion. Two composers about whom I know nothing, Henrique Oswald and Alfredo Napoleão:

http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/al.asp?al=CDA67984 (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/al.asp?al=CDA67984)
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: FBerwald on Friday 11 July 2014, 18:08
Wow! An amazingly promising vol 64
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Post by: TerraEpon on Friday 11 July 2014, 20:41
I got excioted for a second as I know of a Napoleão who was a good friend of Gottschalk and arranged some of the later's music....but a quick Google makes it seems as if they were not the same person....wonder if they are related, or is Napoleão a common Brazillian name?
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: thalbergmad on Friday 11 July 2014, 20:56
The Napoleao was broadcast on Radio 3 a couple of weeks ago. If Chopin took steroids he might have composed something similar.

I have not as yet studied the Oswald score, but I do intend to give it a run through.

Thal
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: Mykulh on Friday 11 July 2014, 21:49
Alberto Nepomuceno (1864-1920)'s Symphony in G minor (1893) and Henrique Oswald (1852-1931)'s Symphony, Op. 43 (1910) were issued on LP in the 1960s on the Brazilian Festa label. As I recall, both were very attractive works.
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 11 July 2014, 22:01
This is certainly an adventurous release. Very intriguing.
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Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 12 July 2014, 05:17
The Nepomuceno symphony is in our archives, I think. It -is- a really good piece, I think...
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Post by: jameswesthead on Sunday 13 July 2014, 14:14
The upcoming Hyperion recording of the Oswald Piano Concerto was broadcast, complete, on Classic FM on 10th July at 8pm in a program devoted to Brazilian music. I happened to be listening in  my car at the time and was intrigued. However, I found the piece to be dull as ditchwater, with little melodic interest, although I have to confess to finishing my journey before the 3rd movement got underway. A pity I found it so uninteresting, though Hyperion have t be congratulated for a thoroughly unusual disc.
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Post by: giles.enders on Saturday 02 August 2014, 10:33
The release date for these two concertos is October 1st 1014
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Post by: FBerwald on Saturday 02 August 2014, 10:52
"If Chopin took steroids "  ? Could you clarify? :D
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Post by: Gauk on Saturday 02 August 2014, 21:15
Similar to the old description of some Soviet composers as "Tchaikovsky and benzadrine".
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Post by: semloh on Monday 04 August 2014, 07:45
It would be good to hear some opinions as to the merits of the CD once it falls into members' hands. I am hoping that James's 'in-car' impressions are an artefact of the stresses of driving!  :)
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Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 04 August 2014, 21:18
Love the excerpts at Hyperion's website! This'll be high-up on my wants list.
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Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 30 September 2014, 22:33
The Oswald is quite a heavy, serious Germanic piece. It's the Napoleão PC2 that's the gem here - a most attractive work along the lines of Saint-Saëns or Godard. Its opening is almost operatic in its feel (a bit like a verismo prelude or intermezzo). Anyway, it may not be especially subtle, but it's really lovely - and memorable.

To sum up: buy this CD!!!
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Post by: FBerwald on Wednesday 01 October 2014, 08:18
I wonder if they will do Napoleão's Piano Concerto No. 1 & Oswald's Op. 28
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 01 October 2014, 22:15
I've just given both works a spin and Alan is right, it's the Napoleão which deserves the laurels on this release. It's a real charmer. Thal described it as "Chopin on steriods", and that's certainly an apt description of the long first movement, which boasts an extremely atmospheric, almost spooky, opening orchestral tutti. It's most unusual, but makes a very effective attention grabber. The brief middle movement, a scherzo enclosing a delicious slow section, is very like Saint-Saëns in feel as others have mentioned. The finale is another substantial movement, neither portentous nor trivial, with an unaffected open-air feel to it. For all his clear debt to other composers Napoleão displays imagination and poetry in this very enjoyable work, both things which are less in evidence in the Oswald Concerto. It's not unattractive by any means, but it does take itself rather seriously and doesn't have the generous abundance of melody which graces its companion. It has a rather "over-worked" feel to it, which makes it harder to love than the Napoleão, but it's by no means a bad piece and certainly worth an airing. This is a very attractive release in the RPC series, and one which I thoroughly recommend.
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Post by: semloh on Wednesday 01 October 2014, 23:39
Thanks for that helpful review, Mark. It seems that impressions from Thal regarding Napoleão, and James regarding Oswald, were good indicators.

This does appear to be Napoleão's most substantial composition, and it is a pity that his precocious talent as a pianist and composer was set aside in favour of running a music shop in Brazil. I wonder if he was escaping the pressures and expectations of the European and U.S. promoters and public? He obviously remained active in musical life because I see that he taught the wonderful Chiquinha Gonzaga - a truly remarkable woman, whose life was such a struggle, but whose piano pieces are so charming.
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Thursday 02 October 2014, 14:39
QuoteI wonder if they will do Napoleão's Piano Concerto No. 1 & Oswald's Op. 28

I have not seen these works, but I assume they are both attractive and worthwhile. Why not drop Hyperion a line and ask?
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: JimL on Thursday 02 October 2014, 20:13
At just a cursory inspection of the new release, the Napoleão concerto has several strong resemblances to the 2nd MacDowell concerto, which was composed virtually simultaneously with the two works on this CD.  There are some divergences as well, of course.
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 02 October 2014, 21:03
Have you heard the whole piece, though, Jim?
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Post by: jerfilm on Friday 03 October 2014, 15:24
The short middle movement could have been Saint-Saens or perhaps Litolff.....

J
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: JimL on Friday 03 October 2014, 21:24
No, Alan, but the movement scheme of the work - slow, scherzo, fast - is similar (apart from the slow intro to the finale of the MacDowell).  Of course, Saint-Saëns PC 2 isn't far away from either work, although at 19+ minutes, I'd venture to guess that the first movement of the Napoleão concerto is in some kind of sonata form, as is the MacDowell, rather than a ternary form, as in the Saint-Saëns.
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 03 October 2014, 22:27
What about the idiom, though?
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: JimL on Monday 06 October 2014, 20:49
It's difficult to tell from the excerpts, since the only one that has any piano in it for the Napoleão is the second movement, but the general impression I got from what I heard leans heavily towards Gallic, rather than Teutonic influences.
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 06 October 2014, 21:19
That's obvious, Jim. What you won't have perceived (from excerpts) is the way this works out in practice, especially in the first movement, with its greater-than-usual contrasts. This is what makes the Napoleão PC so unusual, and so entertaining.
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Post by: JimL on Tuesday 07 October 2014, 17:30
Looks like I'll have to hock some jewelry.  ;D
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 12 October 2014, 14:00
I have no jewellery to hock. Can't even get my wedding ring (for the ex-colonies: band) off my finger...
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 12 October 2014, 14:47
Hrm. We call it a ring in this particular (US) ex-colony. But that is, true, nor here, neither there, ...
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 12 October 2014, 17:59
Oh, that's a relief, Eric!

Anyway, I can see some similarity to MacDowell PC2 in the structure of Napoleão's PC2 - and especially in the ethereal openings of both pieces; however, the piano writing in the latter is surely more like Chopin, than, say, Liszt. Napoleão's overall style also seems to evince a much greater simplicity, even naïvety of expression in comparison to the greater sophistication of MacDowell.
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: JimL on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 15:48
Well, here's the MWI review: http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2014/Oct14/Oswald_Napoleao_PCs_CDA67984.htm (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2014/Oct14/Oswald_Napoleao_PCs_CDA67984.htm)
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: Revilod on Thursday 30 October 2014, 09:17
Having lived with these concertos for some weeks now, the one that I keep returning to is the Oswald. It's less immediately attractive and certainly seems far less tuneful than Napoleao's at first but it is far better constructed and, ultimately, more satisfying. Artur Rubinstein called Oswald the "Brazilian Faure" and I know what he means. The first movement's plain opening theme doesn't register at first but all the ensuing music derives organically from it (including the second subject) and I was very much reminded of Faure, the piano quintets in particular.

I do think that Rob Barnett is rather wide of the mark when he calls the opening of Napoleao's concerto "darker" than Oswald's although the Chopin connection is certainly there. Oswald's concerto is a significant work. It will never be popular because, the slow movement apart, it is just too elusive melodically but it really is a most rewarding piece.
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 30 October 2014, 09:32
...whereas I find the Oswald (especially the opening movement) rather tedious and the Napoleão extremely attractive - and memorable. Showshow reactions can vary...
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: Revilod on Thursday 30 October 2014, 11:22
Yes indeed, Alan. I've reviewed the disc for amazon.co.uk, where I am known as someonewhocares2, and I see that only 1 out of 3 people have found my review helpful (!) so perhaps I'm in the minority!
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 30 October 2014, 13:32
I have returned several times to this RPC release, and I'm afraid that I too continue to be seduced by the obvious charms of Napoleão's concerto, and remain immune to what I am sure are the more intellectual rewards of the Oswald.
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: JimL on Thursday 30 October 2014, 17:45
Continuing the comparison of the Napoleão and MacDowell concertos, I'd have to say there are some rather strong parallels in structure.  The opening movement of the Napoleão appears to be in a sonatina form (sonata sans development) whereas the MacDowell does have a brief development.  Both movements have a rather substantial cadenza and end as quietly as they began, and in the tonic major.  Although MacDowell's cyclic reference to the first movement is confined to the brief slow introduction to the finale, whereas the references to earlier material comes as an interruption in the finale of the Napoleão, both contain that Lisztian/Beethovenian element.  The more I listen to the Napoleão, the more intrigued I am by the other 3 concertos.  I wonder if they are still extant?
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: Ilja on Friday 31 October 2014, 20:11
I'm with Revilod on this one - if we're looking for weak spots, I feel that whereas the Oswald starts off a bit timidly, the Napoleão is let down somewhat by its finale. But I see far more depth in Oswald's concerto. Then again, I've never been much of a fan of Chopin's 'school' so it might just be resistance against the idiom.
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 05 November 2014, 19:10
Here's David Hurwitz's take on the release at ClassicsToday.com:

These two works have all of the advantages and disadvantages of Romantic virtuoso piano concertos, only in different proportions. On the plus side, you have brilliant and grateful solo writing and some delicious material. On the minus side, there is the tendency to sprawl, the utterly inept handling of first movement form, and the general lack of rhythmic backbone and sense of ongoing motion. Composed in the 1880s or so, both are very much of their time and place, not that there's anything wrong with that.

Both Oswald and Napoleão were born in the same year, 1852, the former dying in 1931, the latter in 1917. Oswald (no relation to Lee Harvey) was Brazilian, Napoleão Portuguese, although both spent the lion's share of their careers in Brazil. On evidence here, Oswald was the better composer. Yes, his concerto features a relatively non-developing first movement, but the central slow movement is gorgeous, and the finale pithy and not a note too long.

Napoleão based his concerto, pretty obviously, on Saint-Saëns' Second, only more so. It starts with a twenty minute long Andantino maestoso (not a promising designation), continues with a charming scherzo and concludes with a finale hopefully designated "allegro" without any special understanding of what that means, formally speaking. The problem with this piece is that after the scherzo, which plays for four minutes, you still have thirty-two to go. Oswald's slow movement, by contrast, comprises a third of the work, all to the good.

Certainly both pieces receive persuasive advocacy from Artur Pizarro and the BBC National Orchestra of Wales under Martyn Brabbins. The soloist plays almost continuously throughout both concertos, mostly accompanied discretely by strings, with the occasional woodwind solo popping up for contrast. The full orchestra chimes in at nodal points and climaxes, but essentially this is the soloist's show, with acres of filigree and arpeggiation employed with the same ubiquity as a tremolo in a Bruckner symphony.

Still, Hyperion's Romantic Piano Concerto series is one of the glories of the modern discography, and whatever the quality of the music this latest release (volume 64!) is beautifully made by all concerned–a no-brainer acquisition for collectors. And you will listen to the Oswald, at least, more than once, particularly for the Adagio.

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/Drilldown?name_id1=25581&name_role1=2&bcorder=2&name_role=1&name_id=411749 (http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/Drilldown?name_id1=25581&name_role1=2&bcorder=2&name_role=1&name_id=411749)
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: thalbergmad on Wednesday 05 November 2014, 19:49
"On the minus side, there is the tendency to sprawl, the utterly inept handling of first movement form, and the general lack of rhythmic backbone and sense of ongoing motion"

Not exactly sure what he is getting at with this, but I am dubious of anyone who uses the word "form".

Does a romantic work have to have form??

Thal
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 05 November 2014, 20:08
It's David Hurwitz, Thal. Sometimes penetratingly perceptive, often nonsensical. Who, apart from him, would think that there was any connection between the Brazilian composer Henrique and the American assasin Lee Harvey Oswald?
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Post by: JimL on Thursday 06 November 2014, 20:26
Allegro is a tempo, not a form.  Hurwitz should know better.  But I seem to recall him saying something about Bruch's 2nd violin concerto to the effect that he "begins it with an Adagio, rather than a regular sonata-form movement", more or less.  The opening Adagio of Bruch's 2nd violin concerto is IN sonata form, complete with a brief, but unmistakable development section.
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: Revilod on Friday 07 November 2014, 09:56
To describe Oswald's handling of first movement form (sonata form) as "utterly inept" is crazy. It's a sonata structure but the fact that the two themes are closely related (intentionally of course) disguises this. It does unify the movement, however. There is plenty of ongoing motion in this movement and, although the melodies seem rhythmically plain at first, Oswald cleverly offsets this through subtly syncopating them....a technique he also uses in the slow movement.

Hurwitz needs to listen again. I wonder how many times he listened to this concerto.
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 07 November 2014, 16:20
You hit on a real issue: the demand for instant journalism and instant opinions. How often have we said here that opinions change when the music concerned receives a second, third or even tenth audition?
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: JimL on Friday 07 November 2014, 21:18
I'm also a little concerned about his sense of time.  The first movement of the Napoleão concerto is about 16.5 minutes long, the finale about 12.  So what is he talking about when he says "The problem with this piece is that after the scherzo, which plays for four minutes, you still have thirty-two to go."?  The whole PIECE is about 32 minutes long!
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Post by: TerraEpon on Saturday 08 November 2014, 07:13
I thought he was talking about the rest of the CD...
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Post by: semloh on Sunday 09 November 2014, 00:03
Rob Barnett's review (thanks for the link, Jim) would be so much more useful if he didn't try so hard, and so unsuccessfully, to write in a sophisticated style. Phrases such as "...a nicely symmetrical reversal..." and "Oswald defies tired expectations..." suggest a 13 year old trying to impress the teacher. If Rob is a member of UC, he will no doubt be angered by that comment (if so, we can cross swords off-forum, Rob)!

My point is simply that many high profile CD reviews, particularly on-line, are poorly written. This detracts from their value and undermines the reader's trust in the reviewer. The review by David Hurwitz, on the other hand, is quite well written, and we are left in no doubt what he thinks, even though his judgements may be questionable (even "crazy" as Revilod suggests).

Am I correct in thinking that magazines like BBC Music Magazine, Gramophone, and Classical Music Magazine, have higher editorial standards and therefore publish more carefully considered and better written reviews?
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: kolaboy on Sunday 09 November 2014, 00:50
Apart from the tepid attempt at humor (Lee Harvey) it wasn't a horrible review. I've seen much/many worse - especially regarding unsungs, towards whom there seems to be a traditional and comfortable prejudice (Hiller, Kalkbrenner, etc).
Title: Re: Oswald and Napoleão Piano Concertos
Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 09 November 2014, 10:46
In defence of Rob Barnett, and having written a few reviews myself over the years, it's not as easy a job as it first appears.
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Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 10 November 2014, 03:26
Gah, Mr. Hurwitz does not want to go there, really. Last-name-similarity jokes? David Horowitz*, much?

*(Hopefully _once_) semi-famous neo-conservative author.