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The Music => Composers & Music => Topic started by: Crescendo on Friday 24 May 2013, 21:15

Title: Russian Orthodox chant influences in romantic orchestral setting with choir
Post by: Crescendo on Friday 24 May 2013, 21:15
Recently I came across Taneyev's John of Damascus Op.1 which struck my by its sheer beauty.
The special thing here is that it is a symphonic piece with chorus - drawing largely from russian orthodox chant.

Now I am wondering what else is out there in this vein?
I am looking for romantic/post romantic orchestral works with choir that work in russian orthodox chant in one way or another.
Any further recommendations?
Title: Re: Russian Orthodox chant influences in romantic orchestral setting with choir
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 24 May 2013, 22:21
You could try various works by Grechaninov on Chandos:
http://www.chandos.net/searchresults.asp?zoom_query=grechaninov&x=0&y=0 (http://www.chandos.net/searchresults.asp?zoom_query=grechaninov&x=0&y=0)
Title: Re: Russian Orthodox chant influences in romantic orchestral setting with choir
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 24 May 2013, 23:23
More sung, but All-night vigil settings by Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninov might be in that line?...
Title: Re: Russian Orthodox chant influences in romantic orchestral setting with choir
Post by: Crescendo on Saturday 25 May 2013, 03:05
Grechaninov is a nice lead, I am checking this out.

All Night Vigil - Yes, those are beautiful. But they are a capella. I was looking more for some sort of choral symphony (or cantata) that includes Russian Orthodox chants within as well as dramatic orchestration. Taneyev really sparked some desire here with John of Damascus...
Title: Re: Russian Orthodox chant influences in romantic orchestral setting with choir
Post by: Gauk on Saturday 25 May 2013, 10:05
Well, there is Rimsky's Russian Easter Overture ... no choir though.
Title: Re: Russian Orthodox chant influences in romantic orchestral setting with choir
Post by: savvy on Sunday 26 May 2013, 09:05
Of course the two operas by Moussorgsky  :) And also their imitation in the Italian opera - for exemple the finale of Montemezzi's L'amore dei tre Re, or some parts of the second act of Zandonai's Melenis
Title: Re: Russian Orthodox chant influences in romantic orchestral setting with choir
Post by: Crescendo on Wednesday 29 May 2013, 01:33
There seem to be a few orchestral ones. Besides Rimsky-Korsakov there is also Glazunov with the Suite "The Kremlin" Op. 30 which is very nice.
I usually don't listen to opera, but maybe I should check out these Mussorgsky cues.

However, I can hardly believe that there is nothing more for choir and orchestra like the Taneyev. Maybe among the sovjet nationalistic works?
Title: Re: Russian Orthodox chant influences in romantic orchestral setting with choir
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 29 May 2013, 02:11
Hrm. I'm inclined to do a few melody-searches over on a few sites - do you have incipits (apologies for what is probably a silly or stupid question) for some of the chant themes in question, or somewhere I might find them? Otherwise I'm probably hunting blind for pieces-with-themes-like-these-from-the-Taneev (if I find the vocal score to it or the Grechaninov- I think IMSLP probably has some of these... or to another work which I gather uses Orthodox chant themes, like one of many settings of the Vigil, though some I am guessing use themes by the composer in a similar style - I may be searching "on" the wrong themes, is the thing)...
Title: Re: Russian Orthodox chant influences in romantic orchestral setting with choir
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 29 May 2013, 10:08
Guessing that some of Rimsky-Korsakov's cantatas may qualify. There's a recently-released (reissued?) recording on Brilliant Classics, which I haven't heard.
Title: Re: Russian Orthodox chant influences in romantic orchestral setting with choir
Post by: Christopher on Saturday 15 June 2013, 02:37
It's from after "our" time, but the Domine Jesu Christe from Artyomov's Requiem fits the description of a "post romantic orchestral works with choir that work in russian orthodox chant" perfectly - orthodox choral chant you can just wallow in! Can beheard here -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae8EtL8jLFo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae8EtL8jLFo&feature=related) 

(the rest of the Requiem is decidedly "modern", but the Domine Jesu Christe....just wow...)


An unsung work by Rimsky-Korsakov is "Our Father" - no orchestra sorry, but again glorious Orthodox harmonies that you just float on - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeQ0RvLTGKQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeQ0RvLTGKQ)