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Title: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: FBerwald on Wednesday 07 December 2016, 06:20
Hyperion has announced its (not the most promising) release in Jan. 2017 - the Romantic Violin Concerto series

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http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/dc.asp?dc=D_CDA68055

Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch

Violin Concerto No. 2 in D minor, Op. 44
Konzertstück in F-sharp minor, Op. 84
In memoriam in C-sharp minor, Op. 65
Adagio appassionato in F minor, Op. 57


Jack Liebeck (violin), BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra, Martyn Brabbins
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 07 December 2016, 08:14
Rumour has it that Hyperion are having to play safer because of the continuing fall off in physical CD sales. I don't know if there's any truth in it, but this release certainly would be consistent with that. No doubt they'll be worthy performances, but hardly ground-breaking...
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 07 December 2016, 11:13
Curiously, according to Hyperion, the buying public are much more adventurous when it comes to PIANO concertos than concertos for any other instrument. The RPC series consistently sells well, it seems. I don't know why this should be, given the intrinsically melodic nature of most violin and cello concertos - but there we are.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: TerraEpon on Wednesday 07 December 2016, 13:42
I imagine people there are a lot of people, that specific love piano music and maybe even more are lovers of specific artists more than the general classical music loving buyers. Just a very wild, observational guess though.

Incidentally while it's obviously not the most unsung certainly none of these pieces are over-recorded either.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 07 December 2016, 14:19
Another RVC yawn from Hyperion, I'm afraid. Where's the Lassen VC got to, I wonder?
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: violinconcerto on Thursday 08 December 2016, 05:17
I am afraid I have to work harder on promoting little known violin concertos. The Hyperion release of the Bruch works is just a shame!  >:(
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 08 December 2016, 05:24
... Ferdinand Hiller's violin and orchestra works?
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: mikehopf on Thursday 08 December 2016, 21:11
.... Litolff's Violin Concerto
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 08 December 2016, 22:18
I mentioned the Lassen VC because it is a known quantity, has been performed recently in the Czech Republic (see YouTube) and Hyperion know about it. It's also a top-class, melodically rich work...
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 08 December 2016, 22:27
Yes, Lassen's is up amongst the very best unsung VCs, but that doesn't seem to be the criterion that Hyperion are using when deciding on content for the RVC series. More's the pity.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 10 December 2016, 00:29
Well, based on Gernsheim, Mann, and a number of other CDs, maybe it's cpo (, Sterling, Naxos, Chandos,...) we should be looking to for some of the interesting unsung concerto repertoire after all while monitoring Hyperion for piano concerto sightings...

(Looks like Chandos.net now distributes cpo in Britain and handles their mp3 downloads etc., now I look at that page, to answer another question from ... hrm.)
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 10 December 2016, 09:02
You're probably right, Eric.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: alberto on Saturday 10 December 2016, 10:18
IMHO Leone Sinigagla's Violin Concerto would be worthy of a recording (there is a performance on YT)
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 10 December 2016, 17:42
Agreed. But this thread is fast becoming a wish-list (partly my fault, it's true), so if anyone would care to start another one dedicated to suggestions (plus reasons!!)...
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: jackliebling on Friday 27 January 2017, 11:43
How about you listen to the recording before yawning and writing it off?

Jack L
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 27 January 2017, 12:09
Welcome to UC, Jack,  but what a shame that your first post is a snarky one.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 27 January 2017, 12:44
Given that he's (clearly) the violinist on the recording in question, Alan, maybe he's justified? (And he's right, snarky or no. Or maybe what I mean is- since I too would rather he'd have chosen different repertoire for his Hyperion debut - while I imagine it will be interesting to find out what he has to say about the main material, the concerto, that existing recordings by Perlman, Rosand, Turban, Heifetz, Ehnes, Mordkovitch, Fedotov, Accardo, and Weithaas among others have not told us about the work - it does not make it a priority hearing for me either - death by competition... whereas if he'd chosen a great work with _less_ competition...

(Or even a work with less competition- which feeds into the thread mentioned in the earlier comments. If no one's started or restarted that, maybe I should... just remember, no recommendations without at least some sort of reason...)
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 27 January 2017, 13:53
I have your recording, Jack, and enjoy it very much. It doesn't matter to me that the repertoire has been recorded before. But would you be up for looking at some less well-known Romantic Violin Concertos: by e.g. Litolff, Philip Scharwenka, Sinigaglia, Bazzini, Becker, Emanuel Moor, et al?
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 27 January 2017, 13:53
The yawn's not to do with the potential quality of the CD; I'm sure it'll be a fine disc and I have ordered a copy. The yawn's to do with the repertoire chosen, which is unadventurous to say the least, especially with a number of fine VCs still 'out there' unrecorded - the Lassen being a classic example.

Our argument is that Hyperion have been much more adventurous in their Romantic Piano Concerto series than in the violin equivalent - to the neglect of some very fine works such as those Gareth has mentioned.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: FBerwald on Friday 27 January 2017, 17:32
Welcome to UC Jack. Despite the somewhat negative comment, that reflects [as I'm sure you can see from the subsequent comments] on the repertoire and not your quality of playing, I hope you check out the other threads and become an active member. We have for a number of years talked about the relative blandness of Hyperion's Romantic Violin Concerto Series, considering some of the gems recorded by other companies - CPO or Dutton for example.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 27 January 2017, 18:11
We've even had a brief thread or two about this, e.g. this one (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php?topic=3054.0).  There are some there I wish I'd pushed harder for and which are now more fully (not just violin/piano, but full score and parts, though not for free) available in a published form (at least somewheres- e.g. Musikproduktion Höflich.)

Another example - one that can also be seen (first edition score  @ MPH Munchen) _and_ heard (@ YouTube) but which does not look set to be recorded commercially in the near future, unlike, I think, the Lassen... (unless I've missed something!?)- is Hans Huber's 2nd concerto.

(Many of these less-known works are, it's true, already available in manuscript scores and parts in e.g. the Fleisher Collection of the Free Library of Philadelphia- but maybe, I realize, making something readable from that may be extra time, effort, money, and discovering sometimes that it wasn't possible after all. Hence "published", there.)
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: violinconcerto on Friday 27 January 2017, 20:25
Quote from: eschiss1 on Friday 27 January 2017, 18:11

(Many of these less-known works are, it's true, already available in manuscript scores and parts in e.g. the Fleisher Collection of the Free Library of Philadelphia- but maybe, I realize, making something readable from that may be extra time, effort, money, and discovering sometimes that it wasn't possible after all. Hence "published", there.)

What about the violin concertos by Albert Siklos (1899) or the one by Ernest Schuyten (although composed in 1932 a complete romantic concerto)? Both scores are available for free download from my site, I could create parts very easily for no money, and both are still unrecorded and unperformed for at least half a century. Just go there -> click here (http://www.tobias-broeker.de/rare-manuscripts/violin-concertos/)
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 27 January 2017, 21:00
We'd have to know more about them. Toskey lists them, but provides no description. On the other hand, there are plenty listed in his encyclopedia of which he does give details...
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: minacciosa on Friday 27 January 2017, 21:36
Hyperion can call me; I just played Ignaz Waghalter in NYC. It would be perfect for the series.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 27 January 2017, 22:15
I'm 100% certain they won't even consider it because Naxos have already done it. It also appears that they have a roster of house soloists.

Nevertheless, someone should record you in the Waghalter. Question is: who?
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: minacciosa on Saturday 28 January 2017, 20:25
Your point is well taken. But doesn't Naxos also already have Bruch? They really need to look farther afield for both soloists and repertoire.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 28 January 2017, 22:23
Well, Naxos aim to record anything and everything. So presumably they'll record Waghalter if they're paid enough and Bruch because they want people to buy in numbers what they've heard on ClassicFM. 

No: unless one is extremely lucky (as we were with Naxos/Waghalter), it's going to take a smaller label. And probably some finance...
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: FBerwald on Wednesday 08 February 2017, 06:41
Has anyone else sampled this recording yet? I for one was pleasantly surprised. The whole approach is very unlike the hundred saccharine versions out there, almost clinical, very akin to Accardo. On the whole I'd say a very rewarding experience.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 24 February 2017, 22:27
It's a very fine CD indeed. It seems to me to point up the strength of the music as much as its obvious beauty. I'm certainly glad I bought it, but I just wish some of the phalanx of unrecorded VCs so often mentioned on this site could finally be committed to disc.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto, Vol. 21 - Bruch
Post by: FBerwald on Tuesday 28 February 2017, 09:27
In any case all of Bruch's VC's have been recorded, let's hope Vol. 22 is more adventurous.