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The Music => Composers & Music => Topic started by: Alan Howe on Thursday 06 October 2016, 17:27

Title: Pfitzner Piano Concerto
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 06 October 2016, 17:27
This late, late romantic work was included in a 2-CD set including music by Busoni (Nocturne Symphonique) and Reger (Romantic Suite), magnificently performed by Tzimon Barto (piano) and the great Dresden Staatskapelle, conducted by Christian Thielemann on the Profil label:
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Busoni-Nocturne-Symphony/hnum/3431913 (https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Busoni-Nocturne-Symphony/hnum/3431913)
The Pfitzner has a quite wonderful slow movement in the great German tradition; for the most part very slow, very gentle, it reminds me a bit of the equally lovely slow movement of Reger's PC. It helps, of course, that this unsung repertoire is performed by such magnificent artists. Has anyone else come across this release?

Title: Re: Pfitzner Piano Concerto
Post by: mikehopf on Thursday 06 October 2016, 21:59
Apparently, the recording was released in November, 2013. It is also available on Qobuz.
Title: Re: Pfitzner Piano Concerto
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 07 October 2016, 07:40
It's been around for a while, yes. I'd advise purchase before it disappears, if the repertoire appeals ...
Title: Re: Pfitzner Piano Concerto
Post by: mikehopf on Friday 07 October 2016, 09:42
By coincidence, I just got a new VMS release featuring Ulrich Urban playing both the Reger and the Pfitzner piano concertos with the Leipzig RSO & the Berlin RSO respectively.
Sounds good to me but I'm no expert.
Title: Re: Pfitzner Piano Concerto
Post by: adriano on Friday 07 October 2016, 11:39
Tzimon Barto is a great pianist. His recording (Capriccio) of Brahms' two Concertos is splendid. In his younger years I went to almost all of his Zurich recitals.
And the Pfitzer Concerto with Volker Banfield (cpo, 1982), conducted by Werner Andreas Albert, is also very good!
Title: Re: Pfitzner Piano Concerto
Post by: Ilja on Friday 07 October 2016, 14:05
Unfortunately the sonics of the Profil release aren't that great, and the recording has some balancing issues - at least my copy. Still prefer the Banfield / Albert combo.
Title: Re: Pfitzner Piano Concerto
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 07 October 2016, 15:54
Oh, I find the Profil release perfectly satisfactory - and the quality of the performance extremely high. It was the fact that such high-profile performers were involved that drew me to the release in the first place; of course Banfield/Albert are excellent too.
Title: Re: Pfitzner Piano Concerto
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 08 October 2016, 08:44
On the contrary: I bought the set when it came out, but am only now commenting on it - prompted by being bowled over anew by the slow movement of Pfitzner's PC.

Thanks for the reminder about the existence of the download; in view of the subsequent commercial release of the same recording, I have duly deleted it in line with website policy.
Title: Re: Pfitzner Piano Concerto
Post by: Revilod on Saturday 08 October 2016, 22:43
I have to say that I am not a big fan of the Pfitzner Piano Concerto. It's not in the same league as the great violin concerto. Barto's performance can be heard complete on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sii20jrC0tk

I do think that he makes very heavy weather of it. It's so slow. Much of the music just falls apart. I agree that he does distil a potent atmosphere in the slow movement though.

As regards Barto's recordings of the Brahms concertos,  they are extremely wayward. His entry in the D minor concerto is just astonishing. What would Brahms have said?! Perhaps Barto is a great genius and not just a maverick but I'm not a fan. In my view he should stick to bodybuilding!
Title: Re: Pfitzner Piano Concerto
Post by: adriano on Sunday 09 October 2016, 07:07
@Revilod: As far as Barto is concerned, I also like such kind of pianists, I call the "titanic". Another case was, in my opinion, John Odgon. And I wish quite a few other pianists would have been doing some bodybuilding :-)
Title: Re: Pfitzner Piano Concerto
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 09 October 2016, 09:25
I personally find the VC a very odd work. Why no violin in the slow movement, for example? Very, very odd indeed.
Title: Re: Pfitzner Piano Concerto
Post by: adriano on Sunday 09 October 2016, 11:21
A somehow strange work, but very interesting. Apropos the second movement (a superb piece!): I think Pfitzner wanted to try out something new - and to give some more work to the oboe :-)
This movement sounds quite modern - it has harmonies already à la Prokofiev. Why not let the soloists pause and create a movement like an intermezzo? There are also sony cycles with orchestra having purely intrumental movements in-between (Chausson's "Poème de l'amour et de la mer", among others).
Title: Re: Pfitzner Piano Concerto
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 09 October 2016, 15:19
No reason why not at all. Purely my personal prejudice, I'm afraid. Could he have heard Prokofiev at all, or is this just coincidence - a bit like Draeseke's 4th Symphony and neo-classicism?
Title: Re: Pfitzner Piano Concerto
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 09 October 2016, 16:04
There's a new (2016) Pfitzner biography out (in German), maybe it mentions something about what concerts he attended, music he performed (was he at least an amateur pianist or other, himself? I forget...), mentioned in his correspondence, etc.?
Title: Re: Pfitzner Piano Concerto
Post by: Revilod on Monday 10 October 2016, 16:58
Quote from: hadrianus on Sunday 09 October 2016, 07:07
@Revilod: As far as Barto is concerned, I also like such kind of pianists, I call the "titanic". Another case was, in my opinion, John Odgon. And I wish quite a few other pianists would have been doing some bodybuilding :-)

Well...yes, Hadrianus...and we all know what happened to the "Titanic"!  (Sorry!)
Title: Re: Pfitzner Piano Concerto
Post by: adriano on Monday 10 October 2016, 18:14
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Title: Re: Pfitzner Piano Concerto
Post by: chill319 on Tuesday 25 October 2016, 22:47
I have this set. Regarding the Pfitzner concerto, I haven't found a way of listening to its first movement that doesn't leave it sounding episodic, but the three following movements are an easy ride for the ears. Barto shows his considerable pianistic skills to good advantage in the Scherzo and in the Finale's huge fugal cadenza, and, as mentioned above, the poetic beauties of the slow movement are projected with great sensitivity. There's one chromatic passage in the slow movement that I think might sound a tad treacle-y in less expressive hands, but here any such danger is avoided. The Dresdeners do themselves proud, too, with (for example) nary a slip in the immensely difficult horn parts.