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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: Rob H on Thursday 19 January 2017, 14:48

Title: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: Rob H on Thursday 19 January 2017, 14:48
No full details as yet but...

http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/ym.asp?ym=2017_05 (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/ym.asp?ym=2017_05)

Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 19 January 2017, 15:59
This will be RPC Vol.71. Artists: the indefatigable Howard Shelley with the Tasmanian Symphony Orchestra. Delicious!
Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Thursday 19 January 2017, 18:52
Delightful - I can't wait!
Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: semloh on Thursday 19 January 2017, 22:56
Do we know exactly which piano concertos? I assume the A minor, but then will it be coupled with the 4-hands, Op.153? If so, I wonder who will supply the other hands. They are bright and inventive works, and not exactly neglected as far as recordings go but they will no doubt be superlative performances.
Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 20 January 2017, 00:04
Since you can find a sample from the Op. 28 concerto in F at the link supplied we know that is at least one of them. How nice if the C major Op. 78 were another.
Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: pianoconcerto on Friday 20 January 2017, 04:24
The 2015 annual report of the Tasmanian SO identifies the works recorded: https://www.tso.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/TSO-2015-Annual-Report.pdf (https://www.tso.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/TSO-2015-Annual-Report.pdf)
Concerto in F, Op. 28
Concerto in a, Op. 214
Rondo Brillante in B-flat [presumably Op. 233]

Sounds like a great CD!
Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: FBerwald on Sunday 22 January 2017, 12:30
How many Solo Piano concertos did Czerny write anyways?
Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Sunday 22 January 2017, 14:14
Quite a few, but I read somewhere that most of them are lost. I can find only 3 - the two recorded here and the C major, Op. 78, I mentioned above which is sometimes described as a Konzertstuck. It is scored for a small orchestra of strings (or string quartet) + flute and 2 horns. There is, I believe, a set of parts in the British Library.
Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 22 January 2017, 15:34
If RISM is any indication, the big collections of manuscripts by Czerny they list aren't instrumental music, btw, but vocal/choral works (eg Graduals, about 120 or so listed from various libraries)... a _few_ of which have been recorded... (and of course after that they -next- list, in sorting order, quite a few various assorted-piano-works...) Too bad about the concertante works. Glad more than that of his symphonies and string quartets seem to have survived at least (iirc), hopefully a few more will be recorded...
Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: semloh on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 02:09
Thanks for identifying which concertos will be on the disc. I am sure it will be a delight.
Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: FBerwald on Wednesday 08 February 2017, 06:26
On the Hyperion website now....

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The Romantic Piano Concerto - Vol. 71 (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/dc.asp?dc=D_CDA68138)

Piano Concerto in F Major, Op. 28
Piano Concerto in A minor, Op. 214
Rondo brillant in B-flat Major, Op. 233


Howard Shelley (piano / conductor), Tasmanian Symphony Orchestra

.... Recorded -  May 2015! wonder how many like same in pipeline; seems the Bruch RVC - 21 was recorded in December 2014..
Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: adriano on Wednesday 08 February 2017, 06:40
Thanks for the good news; suppose it will be a competitor to the Naxos version of Op. 214.
Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: Sharkkb8 on Thursday 09 February 2017, 03:09
For those of the download persuasion, it is now listed as a pre-order, in the iTunes Store.  I am unable to find a link connecting the net to the entry in the iTunes store, but those who have access to iTunes (USA anyway) will find it by doing a search for "czerny concerto shelley".  They show it with a 28 April release date.

Gregory
Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: kolaboy on Friday 10 February 2017, 22:48
I'd always wondered why - in a novelty hungry world - none of those monster pieces for multiple pianos and orchestra (that I've read of in various biographies) had ever been tackled by any enterprising pianists. Hope they eventually turn up in some musty closet, somewhere...
Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: Herbert Pauls on Saturday 11 February 2017, 03:20
Very good news indeed. I hope he records every Czerny concerto that can be found!
Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: JimL on Sunday 12 February 2017, 17:33
When I heard the opening measures of the rondo finale of the F Major concerto, I said to myself "I've heard this somewhere before".  Then I listened to the opening of the 1st movement, and knew for sure that I had.  I suggest you give a listen to Mauro Giuliani's 3rd Guitar Concerto and compare the composition dates, because one of those 2 concertos is an arrangement of the other (I'd be willing to bet Giuliani cribbed from Czerny, rather than vice-versa).
Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: adriano on Saturday 08 April 2017, 08:40
Just purchased this Hyperion item - very beautiful!
Incidentally, Hyperion does, apparently, still not take care about their crushed booklets. As in the case of the Moszkowski CD, it seems that the whole edition of the Czerny booklets results having such (more or less slight) crushes in the center, caused by incorrectly adjusted vacuums of their "picking up and placing booklet" devices. I had some correspondence with them on this matter in the past, but it looks as they just dont's care. I am insisting on this the because the booklets of a Guild CD of mine came up with this same problem - so it must be caused at the same printing plant. Guild at least admitted that they had to be confronted with this problem, but could not do anything to solve it (why not changing the printing company?); Hyperion came up with different - and unrealistic -explanations.
Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: FBerwald on Friday 06 October 2017, 18:06
According to this upcoming release on Naxos https://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.573688 (https://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.573688) The First official Piano Concerto is Piano Concerto in D minor (1811–12) "...and not to be confused with the Piano Concerto in A minor, Op. 214, his first published, or the Concerto in F major, Op. 28 – which is actually an arrangement of Hummel's instrumentation of Giuliani's Guitar Concerto No. 3!"
Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 07 October 2017, 17:53
According to Hyperion's notes to their recording, the evidence is not so certain that it's an arrangement of the Giuliani rather than the other way around (or a cooperative-competitive work - that is, they worked on it together but wrote different accompaniments, one for guitar, one for piano, and saw whose worked better?)
Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: FBerwald on Saturday 07 October 2017, 22:39
You might be right about that; I was pointing to the fact that there now seems to be a Piano Concerto [No. 1] that we didn't know of.. atleast I have never came across a reference in any discussions here or online.
Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 07 October 2017, 22:44
And from around the time he wrote his early D major symphony too- neat.
Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 08 October 2017, 02:38
Well, if you want to hear the Czerny D minor piano concerto, Naxos 8.573688 (https://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.573688) looks kind of promising. (Or rather, future tense, since it's not available just quite yet as of October 2017. Next month...)
Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: pianoconcerto on Sunday 08 October 2017, 05:24
Quote from: eschiss1 on Sunday 08 October 2017, 02:38
Well, if you want to hear the Czerny D minor piano concerto, Naxos 8.573688 (https://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.573688) looks kind of promising. (Or rather, future tense, since it's not available just quite yet as of October 2017. Next month...)

Yes, but a ten-minute excerpt of the first movement of Czerny's D minor Concerto is already online at:
https://vimeo.com/233618560 (https://vimeo.com/233618560)
Title: Re: Czerny Piano Concertos from Hyperion
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 08 October 2017, 09:32
And very fine it is too.