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The Music => Composers & Music => Topic started by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 09 October 2017, 13:34

Title: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 09 October 2017, 13:34
I see that Musikproduktion Hoeflich (MPH) https://repertoire-explorer.musikmph.de/ (https://repertoire-explorer.musikmph.de/) have just published a new edition of Philip Scharwenka's splendid VC. Let us hope this will encourage a recording.
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 09 October 2017, 13:44
Very often MpH scores have excellent and highly informative prefaces, which are all freely available online. Unfortunately this (https://repertoire-explorer.musikmph.de/wp-content/uploads/vorworte_prefaces/3031.) isn't one of them.
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: violinconcerto on Monday 09 October 2017, 13:56
Normally thay don't have new editions but just copies of old scores out of copyrights if I see that correctly.
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 09 October 2017, 14:11
Their specialty is smaller-score reprints, though with some never-published-in-full-score works, e.g. Magnard's 1st and 2nd symphonies, I think they have commissioned first-ever typeset scores. VC: Not all their scores are yet out of copyright --this is important to note- sometimes they publish things by arrangement with the copyright-holder. (They are very clear about this on their site...)  EG some works by Reinhard Schwarz-Schilling (1904-85) in copyright in EU, CA, and due to renewed publication in the US (or in the case of Die Botschaft (1979-82), laws applying to such recently-published works apply), USA too, but yes, republished by MPH by arrangement.
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 09 October 2017, 14:30
BTW in regards Philipp Scharwenka, a recording of 2 of his violin sonatas did come out last year on TYXArt (first recording I think I've seen of his chamber music since Olympia recorded a lot of it back in the day). It's streamed on Naxos Music Library, going to have a listen soon (and to some Schwarz-Schilling too, just because :).) Anyway, anyone else have a listen to the new Scharwenka disc (incidentally)?
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: Martin Eastick on Monday 09 October 2017, 14:54
Yes - I did actually get this TYXart CD when released in Germany last year - and excellent it is too! With regards to the violin concerto, I don't think we will need to wait much longer for this to be recorded.........
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 09 October 2017, 16:01
You tease! Care to expand on that?
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 09 October 2017, 16:58
I see the preface was written by Christoph Schlüren - he often authors sleevenotes too, so....
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 09 October 2017, 17:00
QuoteNormally thay don't have new editions but just copies of old scores out of copyrights if I see that correctly.

Ah, but that's precisely what some of us want...

Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 09 October 2017, 17:16
I must retract. This is not a NEW edition, just a reprint, but at least it makes the score more readily available - and, alas, Mark is right: the preface is very lightweight - disappointing. I note they have also published Ferdinand Hiller's Concert Overture No. 2 - a rather pointless exercise IMHO since scores AND parts to both Hiller's Concert Overtures are available at IMSLP. The preface to this is similarly "feeble", and misleading. The author writes: "Among the relatively few orchestral works are four overtures..."  In fact there are at least 6 overtures, at least 7 (possibly 11) symphonies, 2 orchestral fantasies (Op. 127 and Op. 166) 3 piano concertos + a 4 movt "Konzertstuck" for piano & orchestra, a Violin Concerto + a "Fantaisiestuck" for violin and orchestra and a Romance for Violin and Orchestra, and a Cello concerto – hardly "relatively few orchestral works".
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: violinconcerto on Monday 09 October 2017, 17:18
Yes, and other services just do the same as well but cheaper... check abebooks.com and get a scanned copy of the Scharwenka score for 8 US$...
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 09 October 2017, 17:44
Some of the works that are still-in-copyright (in some areas) that they republish (by arrangement with copyright holders) are well within the bounds of this forum, actually. (Later Respighi for starters?) (The Schwarz-Schilling mentioned above is quite enjoyable to me- just listened to a symphony of his "Diatonica" - but ok, won't press the point.)

Of course, even in the case of out-of-copyright works, they also have full scores of some works only reduced scores at best - if that- IMSLP users have been able to find to upload. Etc.

(Also: Paul Büttner's 4 symphonies, the first three of which are I think on YouTube and the fourth of which is or was on CD; all the Raff, Gade, Fuchs, ... symphonies, not just the several @ IMSLP; Hans Huber's 2nd violin concerto (first publication in full score); etc. My only connection with them is that I -have- written a couple of (unfortunately poor :( ) prefaces for them and received some in return, but have no obligation to say good things about them; I am I admit well-disposed towards them, though...)
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 09 October 2017, 19:31
For the avoidance of doubt, I wasn't criticising MpH, just the poor preface to this score. Of course IMSLP duplicate many of the scores, but MpH's products aren't PDFs but bound, pocket-size books. Judging by the way their catalogue has grown they're meeting a real and substantial need.
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 09 October 2017, 20:07
I think well of both organizations (and do more work for IMSLP) for what it's worth and thought you came in clearly and meaning only positively, I think I was just expanding on a thought/contrast :)
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: JimL on Monday 09 October 2017, 20:34
A 4-movement konzertstück by Hiller?  I only see 3, Gareth...
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 09 October 2017, 20:55
Hiller's Konzertstück for Cello & Orchestra, Op.104 is in three movements; as far as I know his Konzertstück for Piano & Orchestra, Op.113 is in a single movement. Am I wrong? (Or is the latter in four linked sections?)
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 09 October 2017, 21:44
The Op. 113 is in three linked movts. The Konzertstuck for cello is, in reality, a 3 movt. Cello concerto, and is so described in the Fleisher Collection. The movts are:

1   Allegro moderato
2   Intermezzo ; Allegretto ma non troppo
3   Finale. Allegro con brio.
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 09 October 2017, 21:50
QuoteA 4-movement konzertstück by Hiller?  I only see 3, Gareth...

You are quite right, Jim. My memory played me false. The movts are:

1   Alla marcia ; Allegro energico con fuoco
2   Andante religioso ma con moto
3   Allegro.
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 09 October 2017, 22:03
Ah, good. Thanks. And with that, back to Scharwenka's VC...
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 09 October 2017, 22:33
Quite - and let's hope we get to hear it before too long!
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: Mark Thomas on Tuesday 10 October 2017, 08:09
From what Martin has hinted, the wait shouldn't be too long.
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 10 October 2017, 23:32
Especially nice to see a new recording of his music in or near the 100th anniversary of his death...
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: Martin Eastick on Monday 28 May 2018, 18:31
Just a short note to inform those who may be interested - Linus Roth is to record both Philipp Scharwenka & Eduard Lassen violin concertos next month for Hyperion, and also, as a filler for what promises to be a generously-filled CD, the one-movement concerto by Rued Langgaard!

I'm sure this will be well worth waiting for!!!
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 28 May 2018, 18:34
Thanks for sharing that information, Martin. I shall look forward very much to that release.
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 28 May 2018, 19:53
Great news. Thanks!
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: semloh on Tuesday 29 May 2018, 00:45
Oh, great news indeed!
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 29 May 2018, 08:13
According to Mr Roth's own website the recording will be made with the BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra under Antony Hermus.
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 29 June 2018, 21:02
...and it has now evidently been completed - according to his Facebook page.
Title: Re: Philip Scharwenka VC
Post by: semloh on Saturday 14 July 2018, 21:56
Well spotted, Alan!