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#1
The Ludvig Irgens-Jensen, his Symphony in D minor from 1942, now available in its original version    , including the deleted third movement. Bjarte Engeset conducting the Bournemouth SO for Naxos.
#2
Composers & Music / Re: Jurjans' Symphonic Allegro
Tuesday 14 August 2012, 16:37
As a music lover for whom there is no useful boundary between 'Romantic' and Neoclassical music, these happen to be names I've been living with for quite a while, many thanks for reminding me of them.  ;) However, I don't think Madetoja and Enescu would qualify, given your criteria. And Glière isn't Ukrainian but - culturally speaking - a Russian (notwithstanding his Belgian name). 

Actually, your little exposé - many thanks for that - helps underlying my point here: by mentioning the few odd names that could fit the 'Romanticism' criterium, you make clear that the vast majority of composers from these national schools don't qualify. However, that makes for a completely arbitrary dividing line, seperating the 'Romantic' founding fathers from their pupils and often more professional successors, thereby exluding most of the national schools from outside Central and Western Europe from this forum.
#3
Composers & Music / Re: Jurjans' Symphonic Allegro
Tuesday 14 August 2012, 15:49
One thing remains inexplicable. Andrejs Jurjāns is acceptible, as a clearly Romantic composer. But from now on, everything he started - the whole Latvian 'national' school of composers, from
Jāzeps Vītols, Alfrēds Kalniņš and Jānis Mediņš all the way up to Imants Kalniņš and Pēteris Vasks, is excluded from this forum.

An effectual ban on almost all Latvian music then (and for that matter, Finnish, Estonian, Lithuanian, Irish, Icelandic, Ukrainian, Romanian, Bulgarian, Turkish, Chinese, Japanese, Australian, and Latin-American ASO music).
#4
Suggestions & Problems / Re: Welcome back!
Tuesday 14 August 2012, 15:08
The whole discussion is about neither. But about accessible, neoclassical (in the broadest sense), even 'romantic' music from the past century. A sincere loss it's now being excluded from this forum, IMHO.  :'(
#5
Suggestions & Problems / Re: Welcome back!
Tuesday 14 August 2012, 12:16
Quote from: Alan Howe on Tuesday 14 August 2012, 11:33
The downloads are still available here
...although they can't be added to.

Many thanks! Being denied access to the Mediafire folders must have a technical reason, then. I'll hope to find out which.  ???
#6
Suggestions & Problems / Re: Welcome back!
Tuesday 14 August 2012, 11:31
Quote from: albion on Tuesday 14 August 2012, 10:14
Having considered the issues arising from recent events both on and away from the forum, I have decided that, for several reasons, my membership has now run it's natural course.

Dear Albion, John,

If I understand things correctly, this means your highly - very highly indeed - appreciated section of British and Irish composers downloads is now also coming to an end? Does that mean they're no longer available to anyone? Is it thinkable they would move to the Art-Music Forum, as proposed by Sydney Grew here below?

Apologies for my lack of understanding of what exactly is going on, but I think I'm speaking for many in praising you for your tremendous efforts here en thanking you wholeheartedly,

warm wishes, Christo (Johan Snel)
#7
Good to see you all here too! And great that Colin now embarks on Latin American masters (I was three weeks in Turkey and didn't see this forum, and missed it  ;). I'm a big fan of Guarnieri too, and own a few cds with other recordings:

The 1947 Prologo Y Fuga from is on ASdisc AS542 in a live recording from 1958 by the NY Philharmonic under Dimitri Mitroupoulos.
The 1972 Concertro for Strings and Percussion is on CHANDOS, CHAN 9804 (I Musici de Montreal under Yuli Torovsky).
The 1928/42 Three Dances for orchestra are also on Dorian, DOR-90227, the Simón Bolívar SO of Venezuela under Maximiano Valdes.
#8
Composers & Music / Re: Heraclius Djabadary (1891-1937)
Thursday 09 August 2012, 22:02
I heard his 'Tiflisiana' in the radio, in the 1970s, and bought the Quantum cd with the Rhapsodie Georgienne, Piano concerto No. 3, Melopee du serpent, and Tiflisiana long ago, for almost nothing.  :o

Will give it a spin now, triggered by your enthusiasm.  :)
#9
What makes Erdmann an interesting name for me, is the fact that he was a Baltic German, born in Cēsis (Wenden) in Latvia and later a music student in Riga. He became a German composer, but could have become a 'Latvian' composer, had he stayed and adapted to the new conditions of the Latvian independence after WWI. Others, in both Latvia and Estonia, did. 
#10
I have one cd with orchestral music by him, already mentioned by eschiss1 above, namely Marcato MCD 139203, with:

1942 Ballade for large orchestra [13'38 in this version] Omroeporkest [RSO] under Leo Driehuys
1944 Violin Concerto No. 1 [26'34] Theo Olof violin, Utrecht SO under Paul Hupperts
1968 Violin Concerto No. 2 'Four scherzandi for four intrumental groups' [13'51`] Herman Krebbers violin, Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra under Bernard Haitink
1958 Te Deum [17'44] Soloists, Groot Omroepkoor, Radio CO under André Rieu [père]
#11
I won't be able to resist it.  ;)
#12
Quote from: alberto on Saturday 07 July 2012, 09:29
I own Etcetera KTC 1156 containing op.45, 67, 71 and 93. I just notice that van Delden enjoyed the advocacy of Szell, Jochum and Haitink.

I own that cd too. The other remarkable fact is, that it's the only cd with orchestral work by Van Delden (others contain his chamber music). I only own one other cd with a piece by him, a Centre Netherlands Music/Radio Nederland cd from 1989 (an early form of what later became the NM Classics label), the Dutch Youth Wind Orchestra under Jan Cober playing pieces by René Pieper, Jochem Slothouwer, Lex van Delden and Henk Badings'Symphony No. 15.
The Lex van Delden is the Marcia Pomposa for wind orchestra, op. 109 from 1982, taking 5'17 minutes in this recording.

However, the Lex van Delden Foundation site - http://www.lexvandelden.nl - has two more recordings:

Opus 32 Concerto per Arpa ed Orchestra (1951/1952) for harp and orchestra [24']
Phia Berghout (harp), with the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra conducted by Eduard van Beinum
ETCETERA KTC 2024, 2cd (1996)

Opus 83 Sinfonia VII - Sinfonia Concertante (1964) for 11 wind instruments [22']
"Dutch Music in 20th Century Architecture" Delphi Ensemble (cd 2004)

#13
Quote from: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 02 July 2012, 22:32
I do not think I have heard anything by Kapp. What is his music like, please?

Oh, I think he reminds us of Jāzeps Vītols most.  8)
#14
Quote from: Ser Amantio di Nicolao on Monday 02 July 2012, 16:44
There is a recording of Job, which I own but have not yet listened to. 

Correct. I have it and even played it.  8) It´s a live performace from the Estonia Concert Hall in Tallin, 16 August 1997, by the Estonians SO, three choirs and soloists under Neeme Jarvi.
#15
Downloads Discussion Archive / Re: Dutch Music
Monday 02 July 2012, 19:02
Quote from: eschiss1 on Monday 02 July 2012, 04:06
(Was he the father or other relative of American composer Bernhard Wagenaar? Hrm.)

The name 'Wagenaar' (the Dutch equivalent of Wagner, meaning wheelmaker) is more common among composers. There is Johan Wagenaar (1862-1941), a member of a Utrecht based family of musicians who are still active in the field (I am from Utrecht myself and met a few of these Wagenaars). And there is Bernard Wagenaar (1894–1971), who was his pupil at one time.

Many sources, my 1980 New Grove included, and copied many times in the internet, accordingly consider Bernard the "son" of Johan. Actually, he is not, and not even a relative. Bernard seems to be stemming from a Wagenaar family in Arnhem, unrelated to the Utrecht clan, even if he did study there.

Thirdly, there is composer Diderik Wagenaar (born 1946) and apparently a grand nephew (if that´s the correct term for it) of Johan Wagenaar.