Thanks so much, BC for the Brandt-Buys. I like his music -pleasant and easy to listen to. I hope others have more of his.
Jerry
BC--Thanks very much for these; I'd almost given up the idea that I'd ever hear more music by JBB
Some of the many 'unsung' Dutch composers have finally begun to be recognised outside Holland - Gilse, Dopper, Rontgen, Vermeulen, etc etc... all wonderful. Thank you for introducing me to yet another - a real delight.
Draeseke was Dutch? I had no idea. My favorite Dutch composer is Hendrik Andriessen whose magnificent music is unaccountably overshadowed by that of his rackety son Louis. Leon Orthel is another exceptionally fine composer. I suppose Chandos' Dutch music series is kaput. Nice while it lasted/
Draeseke was German, born in Coburg.
Whoops - yes, some double-Dutch on my part! Draeseke - a very German composer indeed.
I've added radio broadcasts of Brandt-Buys' Piano Concerto and his Suite: Poetische Promenade to the Downloads board.
Sicmu wrote:
QuoteDon't mistake it for Mahler's own first!
As you say...
Wait, why would I be confusing Pijper and Mahler again? Must be a pun I'm missing... I miss a lot of jokes. (Has Pijper ever been conducted by Noseda?)
Because it sounds very much like early Mahler, Eric. Actually, it's a very attractive and well put together work. I particularly like the way that Pjiper lulls the listener with all that bucolic, pastoral stuff and then subtly segues to a really impassioned passage almost without one noticing the transition, so you sit up and think "where did that come from?". Very good.
... I -really- have to listen to a piece again before making foolish comments; I must have been thinking about later Pijper (which is, - if I remember... - more spare - though I like both...) but again my comments are more informed when I listen :( apologies. (Not that Mahler and spare- or "modern"- are contradictory, of course, considering Mahler 7 or 9 or 10, say - but those aren't early.)
I didn't take it as foolish at all, Eric. There really are some Mahlerian-like (???) phrases in that symphony. One of my first thoughts as I heard it the first time....
Jerry
No worries, Eric :)
I have added four new items to the Dutch Music folder. Two overtures by Johan Wagenaar, and two symphonies by Cornelis Dopper.
Re the Dopper, thanks for adding those two works (I especially enjoy the 7th and have different recordings of both of those.)
Time for some more Dutch unsungs. New additions to the folder by Brandts-Buys, Kuller, Zweers and Diepenbrock.
I have a tape of Anrooy's Piano Quintet in A from 1898 if anyone is interested.
Jerry
the Anrooy quintet is occasionally broadcast on Radio Netherlands, I think, as e.g. here (http://www.concertzender.nl/programmagids.php?detail=37232&date=2009-09-12) (Maarten Bon, piano. Leden van het Radio Kamer Orkest) so can be listened to at leisure if one has the right plugins... (I forget if I've listened to it yet- that station is full of findable things... some of which are regular studio non-CD performances (the "Concertzender Live" series), including one awhile back of a Rontgen quartettino in G minor, I think...), though I suspect that may be a still-available (or maybe just available to radio stations only) recording (hrm. well- the work does appear on a "Radio Nederland Transcription Service" CD from 1988 or so called "Aspects of chamber music from the Netherlands. Volume 1", which tends to confirm that Radio Stations Only suspicion :) ) .
I've uploaded a couple of recordings of works by two brothers, Willem and Hendrik Andriessen. Although these composers lived into the second half of the 20th century, their music tended to be securely rooted in the Romantic style.
Hendrik Andriessen - Symphony No. 3
Willem Andriessen - Piano Concerto (performed by the composer)
Whose recording of the piano concerto, who's conducting? The Andriessen/Netherlands Radio/Haitink was released on CD two years ago, apparently (label "EPTA") (and a recording of Andriessen's 4 symphonies was released a few years back with a 1968 recording of the 3rd symphony conducted by Fournet, I think, on the Etcetera label). :) Interesting to hear Willem Andriessen's concerto and another version of the H. Andriessen symphony though (I have the Fournet) ...
Hendrik's Sym 3 is by Brabant Orchestra conducted by Heinz Friesen.
My recording of the PC is from the radio broadcast. Since the same performance can also be downloaded free on the web here (http://here), I think it should be okay to leave it in downloads as well.
I know that CPO is embarked upon a project to record all of the symphonies of Henk Badings but in the meantime if anyone has access to
Symphonies Nos. 1, 4, 6, 8, 9, 11 or 13
I would be most interested ;D
Also missing Cornelis Dopper's Symphonies Nos. 4 and 5.
I can supply all those Badings symphonies.
Atsushi, thank you for uploading the violin concert piece by Henrietta Bosmans. It is a good companion to the piano concert piece. I had never heard it before. Actually, I had never heard of Ms Bosmans until I ran across that radio broadcast of the piano concert piece. She is not the most profound composer, but there is some delightful music in her compositions.
Thanks, Amphissa
I bought this LP many years ago. And I also felt Ms Bosmans's music are valuable to listen.
These are very delightful music indeed.
Amphissa and Atsushi,
thank you both for the Bosmans pieces of which I knew only the piano concertino in another recording. I know Ralph van Raat as a very experimental pianist - he is damn good! :D
However, you both took off 20 years of Ms Bosman's life: she died in 1952, not 1932. Otherwise it would have been difficult for her to compose the violin concertpiece. ;) ;D
Amphissa and britishcomposer ,
I found Bosman's ' Concertstuk for flute ' from my recording collection.
I will upload it later.
And I'm now recording Dimitrie Cuclin's Piano concerto from Romania radio....
About Heintze? Heinze?
I described him as a publisher - it seems I was confusing two people.
Gustaf Adolf Heinze who was Dutch, lived 1820-1904, Dutch composer I think.
Gustav Wilhelm Heintze who was German, lived 1825-1909 , German publisher (perhaps composer also).
Not sure which this concerto is by, have downloaded and looking forward to hearing it. Probably by Heintze with the "t", as they do say as much... sorry about that!
Eric
Actually, I think it's a Swedish 1978 broadcast recording (and Heintze might be Swedish, conceivably. I may well be mistaken about his nationality- or even his identity- twice in turn. Or three times :( Sorry. It -was- broadcast 17 December 1982 according to smdb.kb.se and this says "Inspelning från Göteborgs konserthus 1978." (also says "a-moll" but that's checkable :) )
Gustaf Heintze appears on a CD with Swedish piano music:
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Phono%2BSuecia/PSCD715 (http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Phono%2BSuecia/PSCD715)
Edit: more information about the Swedish Gustaf Heintze (1879-1946) here:
http://www.swedishmusicshop.com/412566CD0052EF54/WebV6BiografierAZEng/35D1E8E541B2226941256492002D275F (http://www.swedishmusicshop.com/412566CD0052EF54/WebV6BiografierAZEng/35D1E8E541B2226941256492002D275F)
A concerto for two pianos (1917-33) is mentioned, so the 'Dutch' Heintze in the downloads section is most likely Swedish! ;) :D
I have a nice Piano Trio by him.
that would explain why his concerto appears as a Swedish broadcast. Thanks! The "Dutch" was my guess, as I thought he was Gustav Adolf Heinze (Dutch) quite mistakenly... (then there's the Gustav Wilhelm Hein(t?)ze, German music publisher- don't know if he composed.) Do you by chance have this Gustaf Heintze's full name (for cataloguing purposes :) )
(1917-33 could be the dates of the concerto for two pianos or the dates of all 5 concertos, for one and for two pianos- as a range I'm guessing the latter :)! )
I've moved Mike's post over to the Swedish Music thread and added Gustaf Heintze's full name and dates. Hope that's OK, Mike?
Amphissa's upload of the Piet Hein Rapsodie by Van Anrooy was made on September 19, 2006. In fact, I was there reviewing the concert ;)
Would love to read your review, Ilja, if it is in English.
Ha, found it, but I was wrong; it was 2005, not 2006. The review is in Dutch, but maybe Google Translate can cook something up:
http://www.8weekly.nl/artikel/2859/neeme-jarvi-maakt-zijn-debuut-voor-het-residentie-orkest-het-venijn-in-de-snuit.html (http://www.8weekly.nl/artikel/2859/neeme-jarvi-maakt-zijn-debuut-voor-het-residentie-orkest-het-venijn-in-de-snuit.html)
Quote from: Ilja on Saturday 19 November 2011, 18:50
Ha, found it, but I was wrong; it was 2005, not 2006. The review is in Dutch, but maybe Google Translate can cook something up:
http://www.8weekly.nl/artikel/2859/neeme-jarvi-maakt-zijn-debuut-voor-het-residentie-orkest-het-venijn-in-de-snuit.html (http://www.8weekly.nl/artikel/2859/neeme-jarvi-maakt-zijn-debuut-voor-het-residentie-orkest-het-venijn-in-de-snuit.html)
I just read it. I don't think Google Translate covers puns and nuances very well ('Juul' for 'Juliana', for example)...
Good point; I was wondering how that would come across. And do remember that I wrote it for student's magazine site.
Thanks for the Van GIlse uploads. But it seems the "missing" symphony is #3. Does anyone have a performance of it?
Jerry
Quote from: jerfilm on Sunday 20 November 2011, 21:47
Thanks for the Van GIlse uploads. But it seems the "missing" symphony is #3. Does anyone have a performance of it?
Jerry
Yes, thank you indeed. I hope someone does have the 3rd, Jerry - at least on the basis of knowing the others. ;D
As noted in another thread, the 2010 CPO catalogue said the 3rd would be "available soon" ... but there's still no sign of it .... or the 2011 catalogue :o
The Van Gilse Lebensmeße. A performance was broadcast in Philadelphia, perhaps in 1982 or '83.That featured the Hague Philharmonic O/Hoofstad Choir of Amsterdam/combined Amsterdam University Chorus/Marianna Blok [sop]/Lucia Meeuwsen [cont]/Jan Blinkhof [ten]/Charles Van Tassel [bs]/Huub Kersters [17 June 1981]. I cannot say that this is the one posted but perhaps this is not given that often.
If you have not heard Vermeulen's Flying Dutchman, you can hear it here with the 5th symphony.
..it is a masterpiece not to be missed, more lyrical than most of his other more acidic music.
http://www.concertzender.nl/programmagids.php?date=2011-04-13&month=-7&detail=49166
Werken van Matthijs Vermeulen (1888-1967).
Matthijs Vermeulen.
1. Symfonie nr. 5 'Les lendemains chantants'.
Omroeporkest olv. Roelof van Driesten.
2. Symphonische proloog uit Der Fliegende Holländer.
Amsterdams Philharmonisch Orkest olv. Anton Kersjes.
Shamokin,
thanks for your Orthel postings, he is a wonderful composer.
Noticed his 3rd symphony was not included, you can listen a broadcast here:
http://www.concertzender.nl/programmagids.php?date=2011-04-06&month=-7&detail=49058
Werken van Oscar van Hemel, Leon Orthel en Matthijs Vermeulen.
1. Oscar van Hemel. Ballade.
Omroeporkest olv. Leo Driehuis.
2. Léon Orthel. Symfonie nr. 3.
Radio Filharmonisch Orkest olv. Willem van Otterloo.
3. Matthijs Vermeulen.
Interlude uit De vliegende Hollander.
Utrechts Symfonie Orkest olv. Otto Ketting.
Shamokin :
Orthel's 4th is this broadcast with more - and this completes the set of 6:
http://www.concertzender.nl/programmagids.php?date=2008-06-21&month=-41&detail=30371
Werken van Léon Orthel (1905-1985), aflevering 1.
1. Evocazione.
Amsterdams Filharmonisch Orkest olv Anton Kersjes.
2. Liederen, opus 26.
Ank Reinders, sopraan. Léon Orthel, piano.
3. Etudes Caprices.
Polo de Haas, piano.
4. Capriccio.
Joan Berkhemer, viool. Cor de Groot, piano.
5. Symfonie nr. 4.
Léon Orthel, piano.
Radio Filharmonisch Orkest olv Jean Fournet.
I am uploading Oscar van Hemel's Symphony No.4 of 1962 in a performance by the Neetherlands Radio Philharmonic Orchestra under Jean Fournet.
This comes from a Donemus LP but was never transferred to cd.
Although van Hemel was born in Antwerp he lived and worked in the Netherlands and appears to be counted as a Dutch composer.
Quote from: shamokin88 on Monday 21 November 2011, 02:06
The Van Gilse Lebensmeße. A performance was broadcast in Philadelphia, perhaps in 1982 or '83.That featured the Hague Philharmonic O/Hoofstad Choir of Amsterdam/combined Amsterdam University Chorus/Marianna Blok [sop]/Lucia Meeuwsen [cont]/Jan Blinkhof [ten]/Charles Van Tassel [bs]/Huub Kersters [17 June 1981]. I cannot say that this is the one posted but perhaps this is not given that often.
That sounds about right, time-wise. I'm not sure that this is the same recording (I got it from an archive that only stores recordings made in The Netherlands), but it is very likely the same ensemble. As far as I'm aware, the
Lebensmesse is rarely performed.
The
Third Symphony was recorded the year before last, and should be available (with David Porcelijn conducting) on cpo soon. But then, they do take their time to get recordings out.
Absolutely ecstatic about shamokin's uploads of Henk Badings' Fourth, Eighth, Eleventh and Thirteenth Symphonies :) :)
A thousand thanks for these ;D
Did you say that you had Nos. 1, 6 and 9 as well? ;D
This site really does encourage one to wallow in the deadly sin of covetousness ;D ;D
Ah...there is a Symphony No.15 "Conflict and Confluences" for wind band as well.
But..at least Nos. 9 and 15 are available on (somewhat rare) cds ;D ;D
Although not so rare that I have just ordered both ;D ;D ;D
According to the scores, Badings sym.8 (1. Lento 2. Commoto 3. Adagietto 4. Vivace according to the University of Utrecht library catalog) is from 1956, sym. 10 from 1961. Also, these works are quite brief - 7-12 minutes each - either my iTunes is causing skip-errors or, well, they're quite brief (not a problem in itself) :) (though symphony no.8 is expected to last 17 minutes, not 7 - so maybe my iTunes is the problem here.
Hrm. Though when that's the case, opening it in QuickTime usually produces a file of the correct duration, since it's iTunes that's estimating where the break should be- and that is not happening here. Still 7'52". Odd.)
Track names for symphony 4: 1. Lento-Allegro 2. Scherzo (presto) 3. Largo e mesto 4. Allegro
And my download of symphony 4 lasts only 12 minutes, not the 32 that a card catalog suggests - I'm guessing that's a problem on my end, again. (Not being sarcastic - a software issue, I think. But I have no clue how to solve it.) :( The other two - maybe because they're one-movement works? - seem to be fine. At least, no.11 is, and I think no.13 is.
No, Eric, there is quite definitely something very wrong with these uploads :(
The Symphony No.4 file lasts for 12 minutes whereas the Symphony is timed at 32 minutes.
The Symphony No.8 file lasts for 7 minutes whereas the Symphony is actually 17 minutes long.
http://en.muziekencyclopedie.nl/action/entry/Henk+Badings?name=Henk+Badings& (http://en.muziekencyclopedie.nl/action/entry/Henk+Badings?name=Henk+Badings&)
This website gives the timings of almost all the Badings symphonies.
I shall send shamokin an urgent message because I know that he intends to upload four more Badings symphonies later tonight :-[
Knowing it's not just my system, to be selfish, is a relief especially after some business earlier with the Kalliwoda symphonies (and some other troubles I've had with iTunes.
Looking forward to downloading them again; the symphonies and other works by Badings I've heard - from CD and LP - archived at Concertzender and at the library (e.g. a quartet for instruments ad libitum coupled with a string quartet of Legley on a record at the local university library... ) have gotten me interested in his muse...
Looking at the listing for the score of symphony 8 at kb.nl by the way clarifies that it's probably in 3 movements with the first
I. Lento - Commoto (Con moto?)
Unfortunately, no.13 "Symphony : for wind instruments : (1966) " doesn't have a duration there (or elsewhere??) - don't know yet how much of it one has - no.11 at least is indeed a 8 minute work, but indeed the other two - I'm guessing maybe those are just outer (first or last?) movements?... hrm. ...
shamokin has very quickly rectified the Symphony No.8 which is now uploaded in its entirety. He will be looking to see if he can rectify Symphony No.4 of which, so far, only the first movement has been uploaded.
I think that Nos. 11 and 13 are ok :)
I have gone through the Dutch website linked in my previous post and produced a "complete" listing of the symphonies and concertos written by Badings which you will find at http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,2055.0.html (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,2055.0.html) It took quite an amount of effort ;D ;D
I think that we should, however, record once again our immense gratitude to shamokin who-with some very important other commitments on his time-has so graciously continued to upload works which I very much doubt anyone else around is likely to posssess :)
Quote from: Dundonnell on Saturday 03 December 2011, 01:35
I think that we should, however, record once again our immense gratitude to shamokin who-with some very important other commitments on his time-has so graciously continued to upload works which I very much doubt anyone else around is likely to posssess :)
Couldn't agree more, Colin. Many of the works uploaded could never be found anywhere else, and many are a great pleasure, so my sincere thanks, shamokin. :)
Re the Badings symphonies - There is also a recording of symphony 3 conducted by Willem v. Otterloo, by the way (one can listen to it http://www.concertzender.nl/programmagids.php?date=2011-04-10&detail=48968 (http://www.concertzender.nl/programmagids.php?date=2011-04-10&detail=48968) - there, if I may, along with the cpo recording of symphony 2, two songs, and a work by Johan Wagenaar. Also, those wanting to hear the (probably low-distribution) CD of symphony no.9 can hear (but not download, at least not without rather some work!) parts of it at this link - http://www.concertzender.nl/programmagids.php?date=2008-07-12&detail=30603 (http://www.concertzender.nl/programmagids.php?date=2008-07-12&detail=30603).
Agreed.
Quote from: Dundonnell on Saturday 03 December 2011, 01:35
shamokin has very quickly rectified the Symphony No.8 which is now uploaded in its entirety.
The first uploaded version was actually a passage from the Adagio of Bruckner's fifth if I remember correctly, a symphony I haven't played for a long time !
by the way, according to Nl-Wikipedia (http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphonie_Nr._XIII_(Badings)), Badings symphony 13 has 4 movements,
#1. Lento
#2. Allegro moderato
#3. Lento
#4. Allegro.
:)
I don't quite understand the article as translated (I don't understand Dutch yet) but I think it says that because of aleatoric components in the score it can last from 12 to 15 minutes (not counting differences from different tempos chosen, I suppose? ... anyhow, 10 minutes seems almost within range but a bit fast.) They have 17 articles on his compositions on the site including ones on symphonies 12 and 15 also, btw.
I uploaded Badings 1, 6 and 15 this morning. I'm not sure if 15 will pass muster - if it comes from the broadcast of a CD rather than a mere broadcast then I will will take it down - I simply do not know. I can offer the Louisville LP of 7 and a Hague PO/Van Otterloo 2 as well as about 45 seconds [!] of Van Beinum in 2. The LP of Van Otterloo 3, nicely cleaned up, can be had from Pristine Audio, either as a download or a custom CD, which is why I did not include it. I should know about 4 tomorrow.
Thanks for your patience. The encampment around Philadelphia's City Hall has dispersed to different places around the city and those of us who minded the Quaker tent are waiting to see what happens next.
Best from Shamokin88.
Since Symphony No.9 for string orchestra is on a cd in a performance by the Orchestre d'Auvergne, if we can get No.4 sorted out somehow then we shall have the complete set of the Badings symphonies which would just be sensational :) :)
Re symphony 8, I seem to have been lazy- my university library actually has the 1963-released Hupperts recording, I find. (I can't borrow it, but I could have gone there- which I haven't done in too long- and checked and compared myself. No longer affiliated but as a (now) resident I can listen onsite, or could, last I knew.) Agreed re symphony 4 but even just having one movement would be great- and thanks!
And since symphony 9 can be heard at that Concertzender link (and symphony 15 at another) still I think and then purchased too later on elsewhere, and better yet since cpo does seem to have a good track record on finishing projects they embark upon, the symphonies will all be generally available eventually it seems rather likely. Good news I think (I will probably agree re the sensational after a very very little more listening, but I hedge a little little bit for the moment just by nature :D ).
I realise that CPO is recording all the Badings symphonies, Eric, but goodness knows how long it will take them to issue the entire set but I have never been known for my patience ;D ;D
wasn't countering a "but" but rather an "and later". And fortunately cpo does eventually seem to hold fast to most of its projects, unlike some (not just one) smaller companies that I also esteem quite a whole lot for very many other reasons. Anyhow, all the more reason to want to hear their recordings too (but then even though my iPod hates me for it I tend to a the-more-the-merrier attitude both with good music and views/good, thoughtful performances of... )
The Henk Badings 4th Symphony is now complete. My guess is that when I copied a reel to a cassette I ran the former to the end but did not flip the reel over. Best from Shamokin88.
Quote from: shamokin88 on Monday 05 December 2011, 02:48
The Henk Badings 4th Symphony is now complete. My guess is that when I copied a reel to a cassette I ran the former to the end but did not flip the reel over. Best from Shamokin88.
Fantastic news :)
Thank you so very much :) :)
Quote from: Dundonnell on Saturday 03 December 2011, 17:31
Since Symphony No.9 for string orchestra is on a cd in a performance by the Orchestre d'Auvergne, if we can get No.4 sorted out somehow then we shall have the complete set of the Badings symphonies which would just be sensational :) :)
Sigh..every one except No 14...
Quote from: JollyRoger on Monday 05 December 2011, 09:45
Quote from: Dundonnell on Saturday 03 December 2011, 17:31
Since Symphony No.9 for string orchestra is on a cd in a performance by the Orchestre d'Auvergne, if we can get No.4 sorted out somehow then we shall have the complete set of the Badings symphonies which would just be sensational :) :)
Sigh..every one except No 14...
No. 14 is on a CPO disc together with Nos. 3&10. I have it – highly recommended!
Hrm. Odd though- Concertzender lists two recordings of Badings' cello concerto no.2 on two different dates during their series of 10 different Badings "concerts" (almost or entirely broadcasts of commercial recordings of Badings works in that series, though this is not always the case with Concertzender - e.g. note their series "Concertzender Live" in which they've broadcast a Röntgen quartettino)..., anyway, one Badings concerto from 1940 and one work from 1985. (A glance at the link provided earlier reveals "Celloconcert no. II : (1939) / Henk Badings; (instrumentatie 1954) [i.e. 1948]" so I wonder what sort of typo the 1985 is (cue Gary Larson cartoon if you know the one I mean and am misinterpreting.)
Eric
Eric, the Cello Concerto No. 2 in D major from 1939 (instrumentation 1954) is for cello and full orchestra, while the Cello Concerto No. 2 from 1985 is for cello and harmony orchestra.
I appear to have a recording of Willem Pijper's Symphonic Drama "Halewijn"(1933) made by the Utrecht Symphony Orchestra/Felix de Nobel.
I am not an opera buff so have no idea whether this is rare, desirable, acceptable............ ??? ???
I would be interested. I remember once hearing it on Dutch radio in a programme about Pijper. Do you know if 'Heer Halewijn' is sung by Marco Bakker? It's all in Dutch of course. It's based on a famous medieval ballad about a Bluebeard-like character, seducing lovely maidens with his singing, who in the end has his head cut off by one of them...
I have now uploaded Pijper's "Halewijn" and also Alexander Voormolen's Concerto for Two Pianos and String Orchestra(1950).
Both are from old LPs.
The lengthy introduction to "Halewijn" is almost inaudible(I must have been standing several miles away from my microphone ;D) but the music sound is much better :)
Thanks, Colin! :)
Your introduction isn't hard to make out... Just for your information - the ij is pronounced as i. So Pijper sounds like Piper and in Halewijn the a is long as in father, the e is mute... http://www.dutchgrammar.com/en/?n=SpellingAndPronunciation.17 (http://www.dutchgrammar.com/en/?n=SpellingAndPronunciation.17)
Quote from: J.Z. Herrenberg on Saturday 10 December 2011, 21:40
Thanks, Colin! :)
Your introduction isn't hard to make out... Just for your information - the ij is pronounced as i. So Pijper sounds like Piper and in Halewijn the a is long as in father, the e is mute... http://www.dutchgrammar.com/en/?n=SpellingAndPronunciation.17 (http://www.dutchgrammar.com/en/?n=SpellingAndPronunciation.17)
Thanks, Johan ;D Mea Culpa ;D ;D
Hrm. I've heard those two Röntgen piano concertos (dedicated to Tovey) on Concertzender, I know there's been a commercial recording- ah. Not those performances though- Nauta/Hempel on Donemus. Thanks to Amphissa for uploading the de Groot, looking forward to hearing that when I get back from vacation :)
Goodness, what ravishing performances these are!
The pianist brings what seems to be a perfect touch to this music, and the Dutch Radio Phil. is spectacular, giving fine, precise perfomances, played with enthusiasm and obvious respect. It's all carefully balanced and controlled by Hickox - brilliant!
Thank you, Amphissa! :) :)
I've now uploaded all the symphonies of Vermeulen. Enjoy!
Quote from: Peter1953 on Saturday 28 January 2012, 08:25
Talking about great and famous conductors who are also composers, I read in Röntgen's biography that Willem Mengelberg (a German, born in the Netherlands), brilliant pianist and perhaps the most famous and controversial conductor (a quirky pioneer, self-glorification, his attitude during the Second World War) the Dutch Concertgebouw Orchestra ever had, also composed music. Has anyone ever heard something of Mengelberg?
I have just uploaded a piece by Mengelberg for you, Peter!
His 'Improvisationen über eine Original-Melodie zu Radierungen von Rembrandt' seems to be his most 'popular' orchestral score. It was performed last year in Cologne I think. Well, the broadcast dates from 2011 at least.
That is very kind of you, britishcomposer. Thanks very much!
Thank you for the Mengelberg, britishcomposer - I had no idea he had composed anything! :)
It's a fine piece of late-romantic music but - in my view - it illustrates the kind of problem which I suggested (in the discussion of Bruno Walter) would affect conductors who turn to composition, namely that of finding a personal voice. It is essentially a (rather delicious ;D) melange, in this case (perhaps unexpectedly), of Bruckner, Mahler and Wagner.
That's just my reaction - and maybe others have reacted differently??
Thanks for the Dopper, Ilja! I can add that the key appears to be G minor. I haven't heard the whole thing yet, just what I could listen to when I dropped it into my iTunes. It looks pretty short. Is it in one movement? If not, is there somewhere I can get movement titles?
Jim, the score gives the key as G major; whilst the original work was organised along more traditional lines, Dopper's 1923 revision is played attacca throughout. There is a overview of Dopper's compositions (J. Stam and I. Datema, Cornelis Dopper; lijst van composities en geannoteerde bibliografie (list of compositions and annotated bibliography), Stichting Cornelis Dopper, 1993). I'll check the movement titles next time I'm at the Dutch Music Institute.
Quote from: Ilja on Sunday 29 January 2012, 17:11
Jim, the score gives the key as G major; whilst the original work was organised along more traditional lines, Dopper's 1923 revision is played attacca throughout. There is a overview of Dopper's compositions (J. Stam and I. Datema, Cornelis Dopper; lijst van composities en geannoteerde bibliografie (list of compositions and annotated bibliography), Stichting Cornelis Dopper, 1993). I'll check the movement titles next time I'm at the Dutch Music Institute.
Ilja - I intend to go to the Dutch Music Institute, too, in the near future, just to have a look at Dopper's Ciaconna and
Zuiderzee Symphony and Orthel's Second. Do you come there often? I was at the KB last week and nearly entered the adjoining institute (didn't have time, so I had to restrain myself)). I met the chairman of the Dopper Foundation Jaap Stam in Stadskanaal a few years ago, when I (and another UC member) was present at the world premiere of Dopper's recently-discovered Requiem.
Quote from: J.Z. Herrenberg on Sunday 29 January 2012, 17:17
I met the chairman of the Dopper Foundation Jaap Stam in Stadskanaal a few years ago, when I (and another UC member) was present at the world premiere of Dopper's recently-discovered Requiem.
At Thursday, 19 November 2009, to be precise. ;) The disappoinment of that memorable evening - one doesn't hear a world premiere that often - being Pärt's Fourth Symphony that proved to be rather drab.
Quote from: Christo on Sunday 29 January 2012, 17:23
Quote from: J.Z. Herrenberg on Sunday 29 January 2012, 17:17
I met the chairman of the Dopper Foundation Jaap Stam in Stadskanaal a few years ago, when I (and another UC member) was present at the world premiere of Dopper's recently-discovered Requiem.
At Thursday, 19 November 2009, to be precise. ;) The disappoinment of that memorable evening - one doesn't hear a world premiere that often - being Pärt's Fourth Symphony that proved to be rather drab.
A memorable ride, too, to the North! :)
Quote from: Ilja on Sunday 29 January 2012, 17:11
Jim, the score gives the key as G major; whilst the original work was organised along more traditional lines, Dopper's 1923 revision is played attacca throughout. There is a overview of Dopper's compositions (J. Stam and I. Datema, Cornelis Dopper; lijst van composities en geannoteerde bibliografie (list of compositions and annotated bibliography), Stichting Cornelis Dopper, 1993). I'll check the movement titles next time I'm at the Dutch Music Institute.
Thanks, Ilja! I'd appreciate it if you would. And the first thing I heard is very definitely in G minor, but that may not mean anything. Dvorak's 8th Symphony is called the G Major Symphony, but it most definitely begins in G minor. The key signature is G Major throughout the opening, but that first cello tune has all B-flats and E-flats (as accidentals) until the final G Major chord. I hope this isn't one of these things like Rubinstein's 1st PC, where the first movement is most definitely organized around an E minor modality (including secondary key and final resolution) but somewhere down the line somebody got the idea that it was in E Major and the error became self-sustaining. ;)
Glad to get the Dopper Cello Concerto :)
It seems a trifle odd that amidst all the attention being lavished on Julius Rontgen and his very considerable oeuvre that Dopper appears to still be relatively ignored. I would really like to hear the 4th Symphony "Sinfonietta" and the 5th "Symphonia Epica".
QuoteDopper appears to still be relatively ignored
I would agree and add Brandt-Buys to your list.
Jerry
Amphissa,
Many, many thanks for the upload of "Bridge of Dawn" by Joep Franssens :) :)
It is the most gorgeously beautiful music :)
Another composer of whom I had never heard ;D I downloaded the piece, as I have downloaded so many more orchestral works from this site but, from your description of it, decided to try it out right away and am totally captivated by it. It was written only a few years ago too..........marvellous :)
Thanks again for making this available :) :)
I really urge other members to listen to this piece. It is really rather wonderful-in my opinion of course ;D
Quote from: J.Z. Herrenberg on Sunday 29 January 2012, 17:17
Quote from: Ilja on Sunday 29 January 2012, 17:11
Jim, the score gives the key as G major; whilst the original work was organised along more traditional lines, Dopper's 1923 revision is played attacca throughout. There is a overview of Dopper's compositions (J. Stam and I. Datema, Cornelis Dopper; lijst van composities en geannoteerde bibliografie (list of compositions and annotated bibliography), Stichting Cornelis Dopper, 1993). I'll check the movement titles next time I'm at the Dutch Music Institute.
Ilja - I intend to go to the Dutch Music Institute, too, in the near future, just to have a look at Dopper's Ciaconna and Zuiderzee Symphony and Orthel's Second. Do you come there often? I was at the KB last week and nearly entered the adjoining institute (didn't have time, so I had to restrain myself)). I met the chairman of the Dopper Foundation Jaap Stam in Stadskanaal a few years ago, when I (and another UC member) was present at the world premiere of Dopper's recently-discovered Requiem.
As it happens I work in the same building as the KB, so I should have ample opportunity to traverse its labyrinthine corridors and get to the institute. But alas, the workload usually prevents me from doing so. But when you're going to see the Ciaconna, I'm really interested how much the eventual performance version one hears is a reduction of the original.
Quote from: Dundonnell on Sunday 29 January 2012, 23:15
Glad to get the Dopper Cello Concerto :)
It seems a trifle odd that amidst all the attention being lavished on Julius Rontgen and his very considerable oeuvre that Dopper appears to still be relatively ignored. I would really like to hear the 4th Symphony "Sinfonietta" and the 5th "Symphonia Epica".
The Epica (based on the Odyssey) may prove difficult, since to my knowledge it only exists in ms score. Sterling looked at the feasibility of recording it and came up empty, but that was a long time ago. The size of the required orchestra (and choirs, and soloists) doesn't help of course: Dopper knew Mahler rather well at this time and it shows in the work's scale.
The Symphoniëtta is a different matter, and is a lot like Wagenaar's 'Sinfonietta': about the same scale and length (20-25 minutes).
Ah...thanks for that :)
Pity about the Epica, but we might hope for the Symphonietta at least some day. Chandos recorded Nos. 2, 3 and 6 under Matthias Bamert and I have off-air performances of No.1 and 7.
Seeing that there's only been one series of performances of the First after 1931, I'd guess that we have the same one ;-). There are a number of performances of the Seventh, from Mengelberg's historical (in more ways than one) performance of November, 1940, through to a recent one helmed by David Porcelijn. I'm rather hoping cpo will pick up the ones left by the Residentie Orkest. That outfit won't be tempted to do more, I'm afraid.
Quote from: Ilja on Monday 30 January 2012, 16:02
Seeing that there's only been one series of performances of the First after 1931, I'd guess that we have the same one ;-). There are a number of performances of the Seventh, from Mengelberg's historical (in more ways than one) performance of November, 1940, through to a recent one helmed by David Porcelijn. I'm rather hoping cpo will pick up the ones left by the Residentie Orkest. That outfit won't be tempted to do more, I'm afraid.
Yes, it is the Kussmaul 1st and the Porcelijn 7th that I acquired.
Quote from: Ilja on Monday 30 January 2012, 15:20
As it happens I work in the same building as the KB, so I should have ample opportunity to traverse its labyrinthine corridors and get to the institute. But alas, the workload usually prevents me from doing so. But when you're going to see the Ciaconna, I'm really interested how much the eventual performance version one hears is a reduction of the original.
I believe Mengelberg made drastic cuts, lopping off around 30 minutes... I also remember now that we don't have a full score of the original Ciaconna, but only the instrumental parts - so it could be restored...
Quote from: Dundonnell on Monday 30 January 2012, 16:30
Yes, it is the Kussmaul 1st and the Porcelijn 7th that I acquired.
I also have the performance by Kees Bakels. I prefer Mengelberg in the first three movements and Porcelijn in the Finale.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Ct3QrK5VL._AA160_.jpg)
That Dopper Cello Concerto is absolutely in G minor. I'd sure like to get a look at that score. It also seems to be in more than 3 movements, although I can't be sure how it's divided up. It does seem to have a weird form.
There are published scores of the Dopper 7th symphony and Ciaconna gotica, released by Leuckart in 1932 and D. Rahter ca.1923. (I wonder if the Dopper Foundation's recent release - in 2008 - of scores of his "Pallas Athene" string quartet of 1914 and piano and wind sextet of 1909 have resulted in any broadcast performances...)
Quote from: JimL on Tuesday 31 January 2012, 01:14
That Dopper Cello Concerto is absolutely in G minor. I'd sure like to get a look at that score. It also seems to be in more than 3 movements, although I can't be sure how it's divided up. It does seem to have a weird form.
Quote from: eschiss1 on Tuesday 31 January 2012, 01:21
There are published scores of the Dopper 7th symphony and Ciaconna gotica, released by Leuckart in 1932 and D. Rahter ca.1923. (I wonder if the Dopper Foundation's recent release - in 2008 - of scores of his "Pallas Athene" string quartet of 1914 and piano and wind sextet of 1909 have resulted in any broadcast performances...)
Why not ask Joop Stam, Chairman of the Dopper Foundation, and the Dopper expert par excellence?... duinen.stam@wxs.nl
I think I'll give it a shot. Oh yes, thanks Amphissa Dave for all those Dutch symphonies. I'll be devouring them for a couple of days. :) Does anybody have anything of van Bree? I believe the VC is still available from a broadcast, and I sure would like to have the Allegro for four string quartets in here.
Amphissa, particular thanks for the Hol Second Symphony; I didn't know this version and it's by far the best of his quartet.
Quote from: Dundonnell on Monday 30 January 2012, 14:29
Amphissa,
Many, many thanks for the upload of "Bridge of Dawn" by Joep Franssens :) :)
It is the most gorgeously beautiful music :)
Another composer of whom I had never heard ;D I downloaded the piece, as I have downloaded so many more orchestral works from this site but, from your description of it, decided to try it out right away and am totally captivated by it. It was written only a few years ago too..........marvellous :)
I'm with you, Dundonnell, it's why this site is so marvellous....how would we have had an earthly hope of stumbling across something lovely like this without the guys(& gals) who frequent these pages !
Thanks again for making this available :) :)
I really urge other members to listen to this piece. It is really rather wonderful-in my opinion of course ;D
Someone probably posted this already, but- movement headings for Gilse symphony no.1 (not from the cpo CD but from Utrecht University's copy of the Donemus score, via Worldcat (described as Sinfonie : in F dur : October 1900-12 Juni 1901 (F major?)) -
1. Allegro moderato 2. Adagio non troppo 3. Molto allegro con fuoco 4. Finale (Allegro con spirito).
(The same performance can still be heard on Swedish P2 radio for most of the next month - it was rebroadcast there a few days ago, see here (http://sverigesradio.se/sida/sandningsarkiv.aspx?programid=2480&date=2012-01-16).)
Thank you , Ilja, for Smulder's Rash Hasana, an unexpectedly gorgeous piece of rhapsodic late-romanticism. For some reason I was constantly reminded of the slow movement of Grieg's Piano Concerto, no bad thing in itself, but a little bit perplexing in a Franck-influenced Dutchman of Belgian nationality! Still, a lovely work.
There's a problem with the DL of van Gilse's Symphony 1. I click on the download button, and the little wheel spins around, then it stops and the MediaFire logo appears, but no DL window opens. What gives?
Quote from: JimL on Tuesday 07 February 2012, 00:37
There's a problem with the DL of van Gilse's Symphony 1. I click on the download button, and the little wheel spins around, then it stops and the MediaFire logo appears, but no DL window opens. What gives?
I just downloaded it without a problem :)
Leave us then try again.
Dunno what the problem was but it seems to have cleared up. Am listening to it now. And it is indeed in F Major, not F minor.
This is an odd problem. The first movement of the van Gilse Symphony 1 lasts about 13 minutes and 10 seconds. My splitter program, for some strange reason, insists on splitting it at 9 minutes 23 seconds. I'll admit that the music seems to stop at that point, but it isn't a real end, just a pause before the recapitulation proper begins. I've tried to get the file splitter to ignore it but it seems to have a mind of its own. Any suggestions?
Quote from: Mark Thomas on Monday 06 February 2012, 22:34
Thank you , Ilja, for Smulder's Rash Hasana, an unexpectedly gorgeous piece of rhapsodic late-romanticism. For some reason I was constantly reminded of the slow movement of Grieg's Piano Concerto, no bad thing in itself, but a little bit perplexing in a Franck-influenced Dutchman of Belgian nationality! Still, a lovely work.
Glad you like it! It's a real pity he wrote so little - partly because he was also active in other fields (as a novelist, mainly), and partly because he was extremely shy. But mostly, I guess, because he operated from the periphery (Maastricht) and saw little opportunity of having his works performed. His emigration to Belgium didn't involve much more than move the twenty miles or so from Maastricht to Liège.
The Chant d'Amour is a wonderfully elegiac piece, but the highlight of his orchestral oeuvre is probably the gorgeous Piano Concerto (coming up) - arguably the best one ever written by a Dutchman.
Smulder's PC is indeed gorgeous - I've known it for a few ears. Thoroughly recommendable.
Oops!
Quotefor a few ears
Definition of an Unsung, I suppose!
OK. I think I've got a solution. I'll separate out 0:00 to 9:23.00 and 9:23.00 to 13:10. Then I'll splice those together. I've never used the joiner function before. Wish me luck.
What a most lyrical piece of music Rash Hasana (or Rosch-Haschana) is! Thanks for the upload, Ilja. I've never heard anything by Carl Smulders before, but I wonder how his PC in A minor (1886) sounds... Must be quite something for the connaisseur.
For the students in the Dutch language, see http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Smulders (http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Smulders) ;)
Smulders' PC can be heard on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__tPNT50tY4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__tPNT50tY4)
Thanks, Black.
What a wonderful concerto, including a brilliant cadenza in the first movement. Smulders's PC is a hidden gem under the dust, very unjustified neglected.
Can you imagine, a CD coupling Smulders's PC with Brandts Buys's PC in F major, op. 15? An opportunity for Chandos in their series of Dutch music?
Brandts Buys's PC is also an impressive concerto, just listen here (http://www.nme.com/nme-video/youtube/id/3x9GmpAvp9o/search/Jan%20Brandts%20Buys).
Well, it didn't work. I can't accurately split the movements of the van Gilse Symphony 1 and I can't figure out why. I try to do it by the times of the movement endings, but either the file, or the splitter has a mind of its own and doesn't follow the guidelines I've set. I may contact ManiacTools about this.
About the Gilse symphony 2, by the way- is one at all sure about E-flat -minor- for the key of the work? The first movement sounds very major-mode to me. Even if the finale is in E-flat minor (I've had to put aside listening to it for the moment but will get back to it very soon), that doesn't signify.
I'll get to the bottom of this! When I get home I'll download it and give it a spin. And I still haven't tried to split the 2nd DL of the 1st yet.
Sydney Grew has kindly uploaded a Double Violin Concerto by Henk Badings composed in 1969.
For the sake of absolute clarity, this is the Double Violin Concerto No.2 and should not be confused with the Double Violin Concerto No.1 of 1954(available on a Pristine cd).
Reference:
http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php?topic=2055.0 (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php?topic=2055.0)
Badings wrote twenty concertos in total, of which I have only four :( Just 16 to go then ;D
Quote from: eschiss1 on Friday 24 February 2012, 13:06
About the Gilse symphony 2, by the way- is one at all sure about E-flat -minor- for the key of the work? The first movement sounds very major-mode to me. Even if the finale is in E-flat minor (I've had to put aside listening to it for the moment but will get back to it very soon), that doesn't signify.
I'm afraid it's what the score and the recordings of the work I have say. That's not to say that Van Gilse didn't do some pretty strange things with keys (take the 4th, for example).
Hrm. Odd that, still. Thanks...
I have uploaded Dirk Schäfer's Suite Pastorale op.8 (orch. version).
His best known work is the Piano Quintet op. 5 which shows strong brahmsian influence but is nevertheless a very accomplished, personal work.
The Sonate Inaugurale op. 9 for piano makes me wonder if Schäfer knew Scriabin. The harmonies are not as daring as Scriabin's but the pianistic gestures remind me very much of the Russian master.
I would love to hear some later works. Unfortunately he wasn't very productive...
Will you upload the Quintet?
there's at least two or three different commercial recordings of Schafer's piano quintet (at least one of them a CD recording, from NM Classics from 1994- that's the one (coupled with Schlegel's piano quartet- same Schlegel whose cello sonata was recently released with some Röntgen), I think, the slow movement from which is sometimes broadcast over BBC). There may well be noncommercial broadcasts of it too of course. I wonder if his other chamber works (including 4 violin sonatas) have been recorded...
Quote from: eschiss1 on Sunday 11 March 2012, 03:15
there's at least two or three different commercial recordings of Schafer's piano quintet (at least one of them a CD recording, from NM Classics from 1994- that's the one (coupled with Schlegel's piano quartet)
That's the recording I have, so I cannot upload it. Sorry.
As for Schäfer's Suite Pastorale, in the MGG work list it is sorted as an orchestral work, therefore (and with some Google hints) I assume it was the version for orchestra which came first. Again according to MGG, it was composed in 1903.
Thanks very much for the upload, britishcomposer! It's a lovely, late Romantic Suite. Dirk Schäfer is a too much underrated composer. The few musical pieces I know are all beautiful. His Piano Quintet is a wonderful, Romantic gem.
Thank you, Holger, for the details about Schäfer's Suite. I have only very limited access to the MGG or Grove at the moment, so this is much appreciated!
Huge Thanks to Maris for uploading another piece by Joep Franssens-"Grace" :)
If ever proof were needed that it is still possible to hear the most gorgeous and heart-warmingly beautiful music composed by a contemporary composer then this is it :) :)
Hrm. The only de Lange Jr. work for viola I knew of was an adagio for viola and organ published in 1892. Thanks!
(The fact that de Lange Sr. was also Samuel leads sometimes to questions about work-attribution, I think- or at least, I've thought I've seen reason to ask whether certain fortunately brief organ works were by father or son, for instance.)
Quote from: Dundonnell on Wednesday 21 March 2012, 01:56
Huge Thanks to Maris for uploading another piece by Joep Franssens-"Grace" :)
If ever proof were needed that it is still possible to hear the most gorgeous and heart-warmingly beautiful music composed by a contemporary composer then this is it :) :)
Do agree about Franssens - I'm
fairly conservative, but quite prepared to have a go at more contemporary music, if the composer will make any concession to those of us who love a bit of beauty in our listening.
Franssens certainly qualifies - can anyone tell me if there are others I should be trying whose uploading I might otherwise ignore ?
Many thanks !
Many thanks for the Willem Pijper Violin Concerto: another work I have been seeking for a long time :)
I've added Johan Albert van Eijken's Lucifer Overture, a solid mid-19th century product of Leipzig Conservatory training.
A few more words about Peter Schat's First Symphony. Its sound-world is I find - at least at a first hearing - quite similar to that of Vermeulen. In other words, if you are comfortable with Vermeulen you may well enjoy Schat.
The "notenkrakersactie" mentioned by the announcer at the end refers to the occasion in 1969 when a group of activists - led by Schat - disrupted a concert by the Concertgebouw Orchestra, demanding an open discussion of music policy.
And it may be of interest to look up Schat's musical system called the "Tone Clock," used in this symphony. He concluded that a musical language based on the exclusion of melody and consonance could lead only to mannerism and incomprehensibility, and so he designed what Grove's calls "a chromatic harmonic-melodic tonality embracing both chromaticism and pure triads."
MVS, Thank you very much for your upload of Vermeulen's 7th. I had been longing for another live performance of Vermeulen's symphony. Much appreciate :D :D
I'm glad to find someone else on earth that likes Vermeulen! I suppose you have both the Iwaki and the Lucas Vis versions of the 2nd. The Vis was included in the original LP's of the Donemus "Complete Vermeulen" but dropped for the Ketting version in the CD version... for some reason.
Quote from: MVS on Tuesday 29 May 2012, 19:48
I'm glad to find someone else on earth that likes Vermeulen! I suppose you have both the Iwaki and the Lucas Vis versions of the 2nd. The Vis was included in the original LP's of the Donemus "Complete Vermeulen" but dropped for the Ketting version in the CD version... for some reason.
I don't know the reason, but I definitely prefer the Vis.
Many thanks, Atsushi, for the upload of Vermeulen's gorgeously luxuriant Symphony No.1!
Where was this uploaded? I don't find it in the Dutch folder in Downloads. Is it different from the recording I posted in December (along with his other symphonies)?
EDIT -- Oh, I see. There was a separate folder created for Vermeulen outside of the Dutch folder. So, some of those are the same as the recordings I posted to the Dutch folder, but some are different.
MODERATOR -- Wouldn't it make sense to integrate the separate Vermeulen folder items into the Dutch folder? It's hard enough keeping up would nations. If we had a separate folder for every composer, it would be nigh on impossible to keep track.Quote from: MVS on Tuesday 29 May 2012, 19:48
I'm glad to find someone else on earth that likes Vermeulen! I suppose you have both the Iwaki and the Lucas Vis versions of the 2nd. The Vis was included in the original LP's of the Donemus "Complete Vermeulen" but dropped for the Ketting version in the CD version... for some reason.
BTW, Nietzsche's >Ohne Musik wäre das Leben ein Irrtum< deserves a stronger translation. Think of something more dramatic like:
Without Music - Life, what a cauchemar!
MVS, Thank you very much for symphonies by Vermeulen.
I didn't know about Iwaki conducts third symphony! Anyway , they are special recordings to me :D Thank you!
Quote from: Christo on Wednesday 30 May 2012, 20:51
BTW, Nietzsche's >Ohne Musik wäre das Leben ein Irrtum< deserves a stronger translation. Think of something more dramatic like:
Without Music - Life, what a cauchemar!
Life without music would indeed be a nightmare to me, but I've never heard
irrtum translated as
cauchemar (nightmare). Irrtum is commonly translated as mistake or error.
If Nietzsche had wanted to make the comment more dramatic, wouldn't he have chosen a word like Alptraum? Actually, to me, that would change the meaning altogether. A nightmare is something beyond one's control. However, there is choice when it comes to music. Choosing to live without music is to neglect one's soul, one's spirit. A mistake.
I think Christo is (almost) quoting T.S. Eliot's 'Portrait of a Lady' -
"You do not know how much they mean to me, my friends,
And how, how rare and strange it is, to find
In a life composed so much, so much of odds and ends,
[For indeed I do not love it...you knew? you are not blind!
How keen you are!]
To find a friend who has these qualities,
Who has, and gives
Those qualities upon which friendship lives.
How much it means that I say this to you—
Without these friendships—life, what cauchemar!"
Yes, indeed I was. ;D (And knew it). 8)
You both know as well as I that Eliot and Nietzsche did not share the same geist or getalt.
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MVS , Thanks so much for your all uploads! Symphony no.7 by Herman Mulder is a good expressionism influenced work , in my view. According to M.Herman's site, he composed 15 symphonies!! Very interesting symphonist in 20th century :o
Thanks, A.S.! Hearing Mulder's 7th, and 4th symphonies suggests to me that there might be a real treasure trove in his 15 symphonies. Wonder why the Dutch have ignored him... :-\
Yes, We can listen some Dutch composers (Vermeulen , Badings...) symphonies by CD today. But wonder why Mulder's works are almost forgotten? Anyway thanks a lot ! (Also new symphonies by Chevreuille ;D)
The Dutch couldn't care less about their composers. Even now, state funding to the Nederlands Muziek Instituut is being cut to the bone, so that it won't be able to function as the central repository for the Dutch musical heritage anymore, starting next year.
Shame on my country.
Don't , or don't now... well, makes little difference at this exact moment (though maybe all the difference in the world, figuratively speaking, for the future. I don't know how the music institute, Concertzender, etc. are funded though. There are different systems in the US (as of relatively recently though) and in the UK. In both it comes down to having -some- sufficient base of public and political support etc. though, but in a different way... anyway. Irrelevant to this thread, I know. Sorry.)
Quote from: Elroel on Sunday 24 June 2012, 15:25
Guillaume Landré (1905-1968) - Anagrammen (1960)
Limburgs Symfonie Orkest
André Rieu, conductor
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?mfg07vmrwx5m4xi (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?mfg07vmrwx5m4xi)
from lp Donemus DAVS 6703 (1967)
Live recording may 6th,1966
Surely everyone here is already well aware of that, but it might be useful to make it clear that the (in?)famous worldwide star violinist entertainer of the same name is the son of the conductor André Rieu. The son was a violinist in his father's orchestra. Not in this recording, though: he was still a student then.
I've just listened to the Cyrano de Bergerac Overture by Wagenaar. A reportory-worthy piece if ever there was such a thing! Surely as deserving of performance as that worn-out Donna Diana Overture of Reznicek!
You may be glad to know that there are at least three CDs - probably more - of Wagenaar's orchestral music (from Decca in 2003, conducted by Chailly and containing the overture in question- a reissue I think of a 1990 recording; from Etcetera from 2008 I think and from cpo from 2009, which also overlap - both contain his Levenszomer fantasy Op.21 - but which don't have the Cyrano overture. The Etcetera seems to contain mostly later works (e.g. op.48 Elverhoi (1940), op.40 Larghetto for oboe, op.41 Aveux de Phèdre), the cpo earlier ones (both Decca and cpo have op.24 "Saul & David" & op.25 "The Taming of the Shrew".) ) (There was also a 1963? Philips LP with works by Anrooy and Wagenaar (Cyrano & Taming of the Shrew ovs., Dorati among the conductors.))
Just noticing...
(Was he the father or other relative of American composer Bernhard Wagenaar? Hrm.)
The Taming of the Shrew Overture is just as good. He also composed a couple of other Shakespeare Overtures, and an opera based on The Merchant of Venice.
Quote from: eschiss1 on Monday 02 July 2012, 04:06
(Was he the father or other relative of American composer Bernhard Wagenaar? Hrm.)
The name 'Wagenaar' (the Dutch equivalent of Wagner, meaning wheelmaker) is more common among composers. There is Johan Wagenaar (1862-1941), a member of a Utrecht based family of musicians who are still active in the field (I am from Utrecht myself and met a few of these Wagenaars). And there is Bernard Wagenaar (1894–1971), who was his pupil at one time.
Many sources, my 1980 New Grove included, and copied many times in the internet, accordingly consider Bernard the "son" of Johan. Actually, he is not, and not even a relative. Bernard seems to be stemming from a Wagenaar family in Arnhem, unrelated to the Utrecht clan, even if he did study there.
Thirdly, there is composer Diderik Wagenaar (born 1946) and apparently a grand nephew (if that´s the correct term for it) of Johan Wagenaar.
Ah, thanks. (I used to be very much into etymology (I still think it fascinating and amazing- it's the "very much" that's past tense)- which makes sense, as anyone who's read Tony Attwood on Asperger's Syndrome would understand, I think. But that for elsewhere and elsewhen.)
As Echiss1 mentioned, there was a recording on Philips back in the 1960s. Later, probably in the 1970s a number of Philips recordings were re-issued on the Fontana label. (a budget label)
On side 2 of Nº6530 044 you find two overtures by Johan Wagenaar: Cyrano, op 23 and De getemde feeks (The tamed shrew), op 25
It is played by the Residentie Orkest (of The Hague) with Willem van Otterloo conducting.
On the a-side are Peter van Anrooy's 'Piet Hein' (Dutch Rhapsody). This is based on a very well known song about the lieutenant-admiral of the Dutch fleet, who lived from 1577-1629).
The same orchestra here, but now with Antal Doráti as conductor
Hendrik Andriessen's Variations on a Theme of Johann Kuhnau is other work. Same orchestra, but again with Van Otterloo.
I'm not sure if these performances ever made it to cd, but if someone is interested in these pieces, I'll find out and event. post them
Elroel
Quote from: Elroel on Tuesday 03 July 2012, 09:58
On the a-side are Peter van Anrooy's 'Piet Hein' (Dutch Rhapsody). This is based on a very well known song about the lieutenant-admiral of the Dutch fleet, who lived from 1577-1629).
OT: And who is buried in Delft's Old Church, round the corner (for me).