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#196
Both Rossini and Verdi wrote variations for oboe with orchestral accompaniment, although I think the Rossini piece was originally written for clarinet. (But both composers' pieces for bassoon and orchestra are more fun!) And Respighi composed a concerto a cinque with oboe, but with a lot of other "soloists" as well...

Quote from: peter_conole on Wednesday 31 March 2010, 08:29
It is just that in the 1800s a major fade-out began for other instruments (excepting to a lesser extent the cello) in terms of composition of concertante works for public performance.   

Actually, the clarinet - and later, still, the horn - had their "fade in" from 1800 onwards, and there are a lot of concertos for those instruments still awaiting discovery; but you're right in that the concerto had become the domain of the piano. I think the violin held its own more because of tradition (most "major" composers only wrote one such work, and I think it was Strauss (R.) who said no one should have written "a thing like that" after Brahms, whilst commenting on his own concerto) than of anything else. Thankfully, the importance of large orchestras in the romantic period assured us of a lot of beautiful wind (oboe) solos - we can at least guess what a late 19th century oboe concerto would sound like...  ;D
#197
Quote from: Mark Thomas on Monday 29 March 2010, 22:45
Castillon's Piano Quintet has recently been issued with the Piano Quartet on a Ligia CD, but jpc seem to behaving trouble fulfilling my order.

Thanks for the tip, I will be ordering that as well, now! This forum will probably be very good for my education, and very bad for my wallet... ;D
#198
Quote from: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 29 March 2010, 22:21
I was unaware that Dubois ever sanctioned a version of his piano quintet for string quartet + piano (i.e. without oboe). I knew only that he stated that a clarinet could be substituted for the oboe, if required.

Strangely, Altmann, in his Kammermusik-Katalog (1910), mentions only substitution by Violin, although Cobbett (1929) and Hinson (1978) both mention the Clarinet as another replacement option. The easiest thing would be just to check the liner notes in the cd booklet - but I don't have that cd here now. Although I prefer clarinet to oboe, I was hoping for a recording with string quartet... Long shot, probably!

Quote from: petershott@btinternet.com on Monday 29 March 2010, 22:32
I must expand the rules, change from Quintets to Trios, and sneak in mention of the Lalo Piano Trios. Marvellous pieces! And there is a first rate recording of all 3 by the Parnassus Trio. But I'm sure you already know it!

Peter

I do, and I can't wait to get my hands on the new Godard release. But, for the time being, I'm still obsessing over my quintets...  ;D It seems that a guy named Boisdeffre wrote no less than 4 (transcriptions included), which I find as hard to track down on cd as the quintets of Cellier - if he even got around to writing more than 1 - sources are contradicting. I could plunge myself into some silly listmania, but I reckon it'd be more pleasant to stop name-dropping and start hoping for any unknown treasures I haven't heard of yet!

The Timpani label is probably my biggest source of hope in this repertoire - I saw a thread on Cras somewhere; his music I find absolutely delicious. And then there's that beautiful piano quintet of that other great composer from Brittany: Paul le Flem... Has anyone on this forum tried the new cd of Huré yet? Another name I'd never heard of before Timpani...
#199
Composers & Music / Re: Unsung versus Mainstream
Monday 29 March 2010, 21:22
Quote from: TerraEpon on Monday 29 March 2010, 20:56
Quote from: Hovite on Monday 29 March 2010, 18:28
What about "Wellington's Victory, or, the Battle of Vitoria" and "Fantasy in C minor for Piano, Chorus, and Orchestra"?

I love both those pieces, especially the Fantasy.

(But then again, I don't like the Eroica Symphony, Hammenklavier Sonata, or the Grosse Fugue, so what do I know, right?)



Well, I wouldn't call them unsung... More "oversung", especially if you don't like those pieces! :P

Seriously, I would go out on a limb and say Beethoven wrote a lot crappy works, but I would probably nominate those uninteresting youth works like his compositions for wind band or mandolin. I must have a recording of that stuff somewhere - I'm as sure of that as I am of the fact that I'll never listen to it again...
#200
Dear people,

What a wonderful forum; it's nice to find out there's a place on the web where those who love unknown composers can get together. I have been reading through a lot of old threads and posts, and hope that the topic I open has not already been extensively discussed elsewhere - as I hope it's not a problem for new members to start with opening a new topic!

At the moment I'm listening a lot to french piano quintets around the turn of the century (1900, that is). I've collected a few of these works, but regret to say that I've found out not many of them are available on cd. I reckon we all know the Fauré and Franck quintets, and most of you probably know those by Hahn, D'Indy, Pierné, Schmitt and Vierne as well.

I wanted to ask if anyone is familiar with a recording of the 2nd Widor quintet? And if anyone has heard of the Dubois quintet in a recording with the "normal"  2 violins instead of violin + oboe? Also, it appears that Lalo and Séverac wrote quintets as well, has anyone ever heard these?

Thanks for any help, I look forward to exchanging information about unsung composers!