...with Douglas Bostock conducting:
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Hermann-Suter-1870-1926-Symphonie-in-d-op-17/hnum/1454225 (http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Hermann-Suter-1870-1926-Symphonie-in-d-op-17/hnum/1454225)
Anyone aware of any compelling reasons why this new Bostock recording might be preferable to the older one by the Moscow SO / Adriano on Sterling?
Dunno - yet. I'll let you know when it arrives...
Thank you, Alan. When the Sterling disc was released about 10 years ago there were two reviews on MusicWeb. Rob Barrett seemed, on balance, favourable to both the work and the performance of it. The other review was rather dismissive, claiming the symphony was overblown and like Strauss on a bad day.
But I'm a sucker for curiosities, so I guess the new Bostock recording will be added to the wants list. It reflects my own preferences and prejudices, but rather than a second recording of a possibly loud and blowsy piece I'd much prefer recordings of Suter's chamber music - looks as if there's a nice little cluster of string quartets and the like.
Maybe this new performance will make the symphony sound less loud and blowsy...
Suter's violin concerto sounds like what one wishes the other Bruch vc's sounded like.
@X. Trapnel. Im quite happy with how the "other" Bruch Violin Concertos sound! :)
Me too. In any case, Suter's VC is clearly by a much later composer.
...and carried over from the other thread that Alan sensibly transferred here.
I hope, Jeremy, you will be kind enough to let us know your account of the Bostock version when you've listened to the disc?
The Suter VC is a gem. However, the only recording of it (now no longer available) came coupled with a concerto by another composer which was definitely not the sort of work that would be enjoyed by contributors to this forum (it wasn't enjoyed by this one!). I hope Hyperion will record it in due course with a more appropriate coupling.
The Suter Symphony's quite a piece - just the sort of late, late romantic work to get the juices going. Glad your post has reminded me to have another listen, Jeremy. Thanks!
Quote from: Alan Howe on Thursday 15 November 2012, 18:44
Maybe this new performance will make the symphony sound less loud and blowsy...
Well, it hasn't got the Loud and Blowsy Symphony Orchestra—I mean the Moscow Symphony Orchestra, so here's hoping. ;D
Reading this thread reminded me also to have another listen to the symphony. A fine work. Thanks for the reminder.
It's been a while, but readers would perhaps appreciate these Youtube videos of Bostock conducting the Argovia Philharmonic in the Suter symphony, recorded last May:
1st Movement: [size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y15oF2paddM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y15oF2paddM)[/size]
2nd Movement: [/size][size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JhWyNbBQ98 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JhWyNbBQ98)[/size]
3rd Movement: [/size][size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvJ9cd5vmXQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvJ9cd5vmXQ)[/size]
4th Movement: [/size][size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk3L855YDjw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk3L855YDjw)[/size]
When I recorded Suter's Symphony with the MSO in 2002, I had planned to couple it my own string orchestra version of his magnificent (but very difficult) sextet; but the players could not cope with it. Sorry that my interpretation causes some harsh reactions in here. It is a rather loud (and, occasionally Straussian) piece - and this not only due to my interpretation... The last movement can be considered as the weakest - and I have tried, with various tempi changes, to make it a bit more "tempered". The Violin Concerto would have been another coupling alternative, but there were various reasons against this idea. The recent Musiques Suisses CD is a very good recording; after all, Bostock is a better and more professional conductor that I am - and he got much more time to rehearse...
QuoteBostock is a better and more professional conductor that I am
I'm sure that's not the case, Adriano.
So am I; while a great musician, I often feel that Bostock is perhaps too much of an omnivore to put a personal stamp on pieces.
Thanks Mark and Ilja :-)
Oh well, in any case, music making under time and financial pressure is not funny...
On the other side I am just returning from Bratislava, where I recorded the very last CD of my Fritz Brun cycle; a programme including his Cello Concerto (with a magnificently lyric slow movement), two difficult choir-and-orhestra pieces and my own string sextet arrangement of 5 songs with piano by Brun. We also recorded three songs by Othmar Schoeck, orchestrated by Brun - which will be the filler of the CD with Brun's 8th Symphony. These two CDs will be released in February 2016. In other words, I have been able to realize and complete this huge project, For this last CD we had enough money and time, and I even got 2 extra rehearsals with the choir, who had to be prepared to sing abolutely difficult parts!
One feels suddenly terribly empty after such activities, besides feeling totally exhausted...
I agree with Mark and Ilja. And think what we would have missed had Adriano not taken on all these great projects.
Immense thanks :-)
Looking back to all those projects of mine which came after having been thrown out by Naxos-Marco Polo, one must sadly admit having had to spend more time in raising funds than studying scores - but hoping that this is not heard in my performances :-)
Now it looks as I may only be able to do (in 2016) one more Jaques-Dalcroze CD before falling back into oblivion.
And, before this, an already recorded Symphony No.1 by Martin Scherber will be published next year...
All this is great news. Thank you. I believe the Brun cycle will be one of the highlights of your recorded legacy - which I hope will be extended for many years to come.
Dalcroze- intriguing; I've heard a work of his for string quartet, I think 2 violin concertos may be on CD, but that's 3 of at least 61-plus works... Excerpts from Scherber symphonies are available on YouTube; a recording of the third received this (http://www.gramophone.co.uk/review/scherber-symphony-no-3-in-b-minor) review in Gramophone though I'm left as often thinking somewhat ill of the reviewer- even though I know nothing of Scherber.
(Unlike e.g. Beaumont's attitude toward Robert Fuchs' music in his Zemlinsky biography, of which some other time)
Émile Jaques-Dalcroze (1865-1950)
There were once two CDs available from 2003 & 2004. I'm very glad to have them and have been hoping for more for years so it will be good to hear the violin concerto next year.
Sterling CDS-1057-2
Suite de danses
Poème alpestre
13 petites variations sur La Suisse est belle
Suite de ballet
Sterling CDS-1065-2
Prelude zu Janie
1914 - Impressions tragiques
Tableau Romands
Both CDs with:
Moscow Symphony Orchestra
Adriano
The Dalcroze Violin Concerto (available since a long time) was not recorded under my baton, since the soloist did prefer having a friend of his own conducting. The result is a rather slow and unbloodied performance, but one should never critizise his colleagues... A pity, would I have had this great soloist, I would have brought to live those wonderful scores in full bloom...
My next Dalcroze CD will contain his vocal cycle for soprano with orchestra "Tragédie d'Amour", his Overture to the opera "Sancho" and a colorful suite entitled "La Veillée". On Guild, of course.
And here is some info on Scherber. The 2nd and 3rd Symphony have already been recorded by other conductors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Scherber
http://www.martin-scherber.de/
Re the Dalcroze violin concerto singular (now twice singular), IMSLP has a violin concerto no.1 Op.50 and a violin concerto no.2 (also co-tagged as a symphonic poem...). Does one of them only exist in violin/piano reduction? (Yes, I know -we- only have them in reduction there, that's not what I mean... No.2 is at the Fleisher Collection, so I'm guessing No.1 is missing :(
They can't be too missing, since both of his concertos were (as I thought I remembered) recorded - on the Guild label, in fact- recorded awhile back under Anissimov (ah, I see you do mention that. Pity; I've heard some good recordings from Anissimov, iirc...)
Erm. Sorry. (I do see other interesting-looking stuff by him in the Fleisher Collection, and expect Swiss libraries have yet more...) Ah, Ok. Tragédie d'Amour, etc. I really, really need to read more carefully. Sorry again. Busy morning, have been having to clear things out in my room for a monthly thing... :(
I have both Violin Concertos in piano reduction versions as well.
eschiss1, I don't quite understand what exactly do you need? No. 1? I could scan this for you and send it over by wetransfer to your email.
Hrm? No, I (indeed, IMSLP) have both of Dalcroze's violin concertos in reduction. (FLP has no.2 in full score and parts, but I wasn't able to find no.1's parts or full score anywhere in a brief search; I do have some guesses where they might be, but didn't do a really full search once I found that, as you'd already mentioned and as I did remember -
eventually!!! -
that yes, they had both been recorded already...
I haven't heard them- yet - so can't concur - yet- as to the quality of that recording :) ! )