Mike Herman (over at MusicWeb) has included an appendix of unrecorded symphonists from East-Central Europe. Does anyone know anything about any of the ones that might be relevant to us here at UC (see below)? If so, we'll start some separate threads...
Bohociu, Ioan (1874-1944, Romanian): Sinfonia Romantica.
Buttykay, Ákos (1871-1935, Hungarian): 2 Symphonies.
Ciuntu, Paul (1866-1918, Romanian): Symphony in A minor
Dobronić, Antun (1878-1955, Croatian): 8 Symphonies.
Duniecki, Stanisław (1839-1870, Polish): Symphony.
Farkas, Ödön (1851-1912, Hungarian): Symphony; Rákóczy Symphony.
Gerbič, Fran (1840-1917, Slovene): 2 Symphonies.
Golestan, Stan (1875-1956, Romanian): Symphony in G minor.
Hnilicka, Alois (1826-1909, Czech): 2 Symphonies.
Hubay, Jenő (1858-1937, Hungarian): 4 Symphonies.
Joteyko, Tadeusz (1872-1932, Polish): Symphony in C.
Kątski, Antoni (1817-1899, Polish): Symphony in A minor.
Niewiadomski, Stanisław (1859-1936, Polish): 2 Symphonies.
Paunović, Milenko (1889-1924, Serbian): 2 Symphonies.
Piliński, Stanisław (1839-1905, Polish): Symphony in F minor.
Popovici, Timotei (1870-1950, Romanian): 3 Symphonies.
Shagunov, Georgi (1875-1948, Bulgarian): 6 Symphonies.
Siklós, Albert (1878-1942, Hungarian): 3 Symphonies.
Soltys, Mieczysłav (1863-1929, Polish): 2 Symphonies.
Strmić, Nikola (1839-1896 Croatian): Sinfonia Fantastica in E, Sinfonia in F.
Suda, Stanislav (1865-1931, Czech): Symphony "A Life at Dusk".
Varkonyì, Béla (1878-1947, Hungarian): Symphony.
Veit, Václav (1806-1864, Czech): Symphony in E minor.
Weis, Karel (1862-1944, Czech): Symphony in C minor.
Zajc, Ivan (1832-1914, Croatian): 2 Symphonies.
Źeleński, Władysław (1837-1921, Polish): 2 Symphonies.
CPO had better get busy!
I wonder why Major does not appear there (5 symphonies) - MSS in the Hungarian State Library, I believe.
Gareth,
Thanks for pointing out Major. I didn't know about him when I compiled that list a couple of years ago. I'll definitely pop him in at the next revision. Thanks also to Alan for giving that list a most visible airing. I'm always eager to learn about other relevant symphonists I overlooked.
Mike
some of Major's 5 or 6 symphonies, i think- 2 of them? - have been published at least in part (no.5 in D in vocal score is even at IMSLP.) Some works by Buttykay (but not symphonies), and chamber works by Veit, are also there and seem interesting (well, to me- again. Mihalovich's first symphony likewise...)
Rather curious about Hubay's symphonies incl. his "Symphony no.2 "1914""...
Antoni Katski = Anton "de Kontski", composer of a rather popular piece Reveil du Lion, and of some string quartets, other works; member of a musical family (Charles de Kontski is also represented by works @ IMSLP) - didn't know he wrote symphonies. Neat. Wonder what else...
Hrm. Have heard of Albert Siklos...
Emanuel Moór's many symphonies (2 of them in score @ IMSLP) - well - I'd like to hear. He didn't list him, I guess, because he's a (somewhat...) recorded composer - but why did he list Hubay, who -is- more recorded, fortunately (just not his symphonies?)... odd, curious. Still and all and anycase, good list...
Hrm. Tivadar Szanto is recorded- his revisions to Delius' piano concerto were incorporated into the final version of that work, hence, his music is recorded :) - but I'm not sure offhand if his own music is, and I see it includes a "Land and Sea" symphony. Interesting title, anyway...
Mike: Major is in your list - it's just that I had already started a separate thread on him.
Thanks Alan,
I had eye surgery in early June, so checking and editing have been problematic.
Just spotted what caused the confusion with Gyula Major. I placed him out of alphabetical order. Shame on me, a retired librarian....!
Mike: I'd suggest the addition of the Hungarian Ödön Mihalovich (1842-1929), who wrote four symphonies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96d%C3%B6n_Mihalovich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96d%C3%B6n_Mihalovich)
As always the proof of the pudding would be in the listening (apologies for the garbled mataphor) but, my, Mihalovich has a mouthwatering work list.
Ah yes, right then, East-Central Europe, hmmm - any1 gotta map?
Might one add Witold Maliszewski wih 3 symphonies?
And Eduard Napravnik with four? Czech by ancestry, although mainly active in Russia.
Napravnik's on Mike's list. I excluded it because I had heard of him (vaguely) before.
Alan,
Thanks for saving me from the job of checking on Napravnik. On your suggestion, however I added Ödön Mihalovich. Perhaps, I should put the whole list on a post as some seem to think that what you posted is my complete list?
Hi Mike: I tried to exclude composers which don't belong at UC, so - unless you think I've left someone out who should be included in a list of composers of romantic symphonies - I think we'll leave the list I posted as it is.
However, I must apologise (to you and to Ilja) with regard to Napravnik - my memory was clearly faulty as he isn't on your list after all.
Napravnik is now on board. Additions to the list will appear online after next updates are submitted to MusicWeb International.
I may have missed this somewhere, if so, forgive me. But some of the names listed here can be found on this YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIo2x4lsZwUA9O4YXa0uPGQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIo2x4lsZwUA9O4YXa0uPGQ)
For me, at least, this is a treasure trove of Serbian music. Maybe as much as 1/4 falls within our remit......
Jerry
QuoteAh yes, right then, East-Central Europe, hmmm - any1 gotta map?
It's interesting what some people class as 'Eastern Europe'; most often equated with those countries behind the 'Iron Curtain' up until 1989/90. Interestingly, though, Prague is quite a bit further west than Vienna, while the central point of Europe lies somewhere in southern Lithuania.
Or somewhere in Belarus, or somewhere in Ukraine - depends on the definitions of the westernmost and easternmost bits! ;D
Remember the definition is Mike Herman's own over at MusicWeb:
The composers covered in this discography come from a very culturally diverse part of the European continent. While they are geographically contiguous, they speak 11 different national languages that are written in 3 different alphabetic scripts (Latin, Greek and Cyrillic) and their majority religions are divided among 3 faiths (Roman Catholic, various branches of Eastern Orthodoxy and Islam). Included are composers who have composed symphonies that have been recorded born in or identified with the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland, Hungary, Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece and Turkey. The remaining countries in this part of Europe — Albania, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Montenegro — are not represented as no recorded symphonies by their composers has been located.
Thanks Alan,
My interest in history and geography greatly exceeds and is of longer duration by far than my interest in symphonies and concertos. The title of this discography should cause no confusion to anyone who bothers to read the introduction.
Exactly, Mike.
Of the three countries mentioned, and after a quick check, I see that there's one symphonist (Aleksandër Peçi (*1951), of Albania) who's been recorded a number of times- his music, not his symphonies, I mean, as yet. Maybe people aren't defined as being Bosnian or Montenegrin unless they're born fairly recently (even though people are retroactively defined as Czech, e.g., who lived in times well before the term had any _political_ meaning at least.)
East-Central European recorded/unrecorded chamber music- wonder if Petar Stojanovic's (Regerian?) piano quartet, piano trio, violin sonata have been registered as yet...
What i find interesting and annoying in equal measure is the inconsistencies we place on the nationalities of composers from the past when maps of Europe looked very different. For example, Mahler is considered Austrian, although his home town is now in Moravia, Bartók Hungarian, though his home town now lies in Romania. Conversely, Mozart is considered from modern Austria even though in 1756 Salzburg was an autonomous region in a greater Bavaria. Mozart himself considered himself a German. Salzburg didn't become 'Austrian' until about 15 years after Mozart's death.
OK, I think that's enough on the issue of geography. Let's return to the music using Mike Herman's clear definition.