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#556
You both bring up good points, especially about the sticking in the ear. That has a lot to do with popularity to be sure. For many of us of my vintage, one of the ways we were introduced to orchestral music was in the Warner Bros. cartoons which made free use of a lot of 19th c music. Using Hungarian Rhapsody no 2 was no mistake: the tunes just stick in the head.

As for Raff, to my ear it's easy to see why symphonies 3 & 5 are the most popular: those tunes! The rest of the cycle, despite their numerous qualities, just don't have the same likeability. Sibelius is no different. There's no wonder why symphonies 2, 5, & 1 are the most popular. Despite the critics wailing about how superior #4 is, the tunes are not in the same league and the listeners know it.

Another thing often overlooked is how the music appears to the performers. I've been playing in orchestras forover 30 years and have played my share of masterworks, some really great music, some so-so stuff and plenty of junk. When you play a great masterwork you just know it. It's nearly impossible to explain to someone who hasn't been there. The first time I played in the Brahms' 4th, at the conclusion I realized that "gee, this really is great, great music", a feeling I never got when I was just a listener. On the other hand, I've enjoyed Grofe's Grand Canyon Suite for many years, but the first time I actually played it I was struck how tacky it really is (except for Sunrise). Having played Puccini's Tosca, I have gained an insight into that opera that listening to it 1000 times could never have given me. Now I know what makes it so popular.

Here's the point: I don't know how many of Raff's symphonies, or the works of many of our favorite unknowns could hold up to the scrutiny of performers. I have played the march from Lenore (triangle), and as much fun as it was for me, I'm certain my enthusiasm wasn't shared by many (most?) of the other players.

I also know that amateur players don't want to play easy music or lesser known works to avoid comparison to professionals. They, too, want to play the standard repertoire. I am fortunate that two orchestras I work with regularly schedule obscure, lesser-known music. Some of it is well worth the time, but often, in the end, I know that history's judgment was correct.

There's no doubt that many composers got short shrift and were never given the opportunity for exposure they deserved. Due to politcal upheavals in the early 20th c I think many composers fell between the cracks, especially those in eastern Europe and Russia.
#557
Composers & Music / Re: William Grant Still
Sunday 31 May 2009, 19:06
It's really nice to know that every now and then an American orchestra gets to record music in that fabulous American music series. I picked up all of the Chandos recordings of Still for symphonies 1 & 2, the Cambria version of #3 (also from Arkansas. No coincidence I think), and finally we'll have 5 & 6. I hope you get the chance to go back and do 2 & 3 for a complete cycle. Who's conducting?

I edited...you HAVE recorded no. 1. How did I miss that? I love that work, and have four other recordings but somehow missed the Naxos.
#558
No question: no. 5. Then 3. Lenore has so much going for it. The first movement is just thrilling. It moves along rapidly, doesn't get off course, has clear-cut themes. I just love the closing group of the exposition (third theme?). So exciting and hair-raising. The second movement so beautiful. The third movement, which I have played in concert, seems cheap and trivial at first, but when done properly (Bernard Herrmann!) it's very effective. The last movement is the problem. Finales were problems for many composers. This one works when the conductor doesn't try to be pretty. It needs to be played with a lot of strength and intensity. Great symphony. Too bad it isn't played in our concert halls.
#559
Composers & Music / Re: Music, but not for amusement
Wednesday 06 May 2009, 18:59
I know both works, haven't listened to them in quite some time, and have no itch to do so. They go through the right motions, make all the right sounds, and have a sense of gavitas. But when all is said and done, is this great music? Really? Or is it pretending to be? Maybe the composers have fooled themselves and some followers, but give me a string quartet by Beethoven, Mendelssohn and a real symphony any time! The Gorecki is just boring...no other way to say it. It may be beautiful -- but for what end? The slow movement of Raff's 3rd is beautiful, too, and says so much more in much less time.
There are two other works like these: Gavin Bryars The Sinking of the Titanic and the Silvestrov 5th symphony. Slow, ponderous with no doubt very striking and interesting timbres and effects. But far from having any memorable qualities for which the great masterworks are jusitfiably known.
#560
Recordings & Broadcasts / Re: Andre Mathieu
Monday 04 May 2009, 01:15
That's on order! I've been interested in Giannini since playing the 3rd symphony for wind band some 35 years ago. A local orchestra played the 2nd symphony several years ago and I have to say I was less than impressed. Bored mostly. A lot of notes all for nothing. I have high hopes for the new cd and it has certainly received a lot of good reviews.
#561
Recordings & Broadcasts / Andre Mathieu
Saturday 02 May 2009, 23:51
This week I've been listening to a beautiful cd of music by a French-Canadian composer I'd never heard of, Andre Mathieu (1929 - 1968). He's modern in the temporal sense, but his piano concerto could have been written by Rachmaninoff! It's chock full of good tunes, exciting development, and the all pianistic fireworks you could want. This is  romantic music to the max. The cd also has a short 4 movement suite, Ballet Scenes and 4 songs for chorus and orchestra. If you're fearful of 20th century music, fear not. This is gorgeous music, easily assimilated and not academic or boring in the least. It's on the Alalekta label (AN 2 9281) and features the Tucson Symphony with their regular conductor, George Hanson and pianist Alain Lefevre. Highly recommended.
#562
Maybe I don't know what you mean by "big tune" but hear are just a few that have one, and can have the same cathartic effect.

Tchaikovsky symphonies 3 & 5
Elgar symphony 1
Franck d minor
Glazunov 5
Rachmaninoff symphony 2
Beach symphony

Personally, I don't think the Beethoven 3rd has that great of a tune. It sure was useful for variation, but it's not all that powerful.
#563
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