Unsung Composers

Since we now have an Italian Download folder, why not a discussion one as well?

Thanks to Amphissa for the downloads.  I didn't download the Martucci Concerto as I already have 3 different recordings of that piece - that should be enough.   I love Martucci's music, however - his two Piano Trios and the Piano Qquintet in C are among my very favorite chamber works.

I'm also fascinated by the violin and cello sonatas of Leone Sinigaglia and am wondering if anyone has tapes or other recordings of his music - perhaps the Violin Concerto or other works for violin and orchestra.  Or ????  Judging from the number of recordings, he is VERY unsung.....

Jerry

I wasn't going to create a discussion folder until after the items inn the download folder were approved. Since approval of my stuff always occurs in the middle of the night (my time), you guys often see the downloads before I even know they've been approved.

Anyway, Martucci's 2nd piano concerto and Casella's 2nd symphony are now available.

Some works by Casella or Malipiero would be handy :)

I have never managed to acquire Casella's Concerto Romano for Organ and Orchestra(1926),  the Concerto for Orchestra(1937) and  the Missa Solemnis 'Pro Pace'(1944) or Malipiero's Concerto for Orchestra(1931), the Violin Concerto No.2(1952) and the Flute Concerto(1968).

Sorry to upstage you, Amphissa.   I think we all know how the time differences affect this forum - we seem to be scattered all over the world.

Well, we needed to talk about the Italians, anyway - we've sadly neglected them.

Jerry

Sinigaglia: besides the recent Toccata CD (Violin Sonata, Cello Sonata plus short pieces), there is an Italian Stradivarius label CD with lieder (in German) and songs (in Italian): soprano Anja Kampe, M.Genot pf. The Toccata and the Stradivarius have on the cover the same picture of the composer.
I have an old LP by Fiedler and Boston Pops of the first "Danza Piemontese".
I never found a recording (which existed) by Toscanini of the concert overture "Le baruffe chiozzotte" (another piece in the Italian program of Mahler last concert).
Casella Concerto Romano : there is a Signum double CD (SIG X 121) M.Schmedig org., C.Campestrini cond., Brandeburg Staats. Frankfurt Orch.
There was a LP with Martin Haselboeck, Leif Segerstam and Austrian Radio Orch.(I own both).
Casella Concerto for orch. has been recorded by Chandos (but the coupling is at present not yet decided and recorded).
The Missa pro pace has not yet ever recorded, as far as I know (I heard it in an actual concert).
Nor, in my knowledge, the three Malipiero works listed (sure it is "Concerto" for orchestra or rather a work titled "Concerti" for orchestra?).
The Casella Symphony n.2 by Noseda and BBC Phil. cannot come from Stresa 2009 ( where they performed just one Rachmaninov program, indeed in early September 2009: I am a follower of that festival).   

Quote from: Dundonnell on Friday 23 September 2011, 15:01
Some works by Casella or Malipiero would be handy :)

I have never managed to acquire Casella's Concerto Romano for Organ and Orchestra(1926)

You know this recording?
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Alfredo-Casella-1883-1947-Concerto-Romano-f-Orgel-Orchester/hnum/1629653 (http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Alfredo-Casella-1883-1947-Concerto-Romano-f-Orgel-Orchester/hnum/1629653)

or this one?
http://www.martin-schmeding.de/scripts/SIG_X_121-00.html (http://www.martin-schmeding.de/scripts/SIG_X_121-00.html)

both with the Concerto romano.

Best,
Tobias

Sinigaglia's violin concerto, I gather, used to be quite popular. I like the several works (Hora Mystica, String Quartet, Scherzo for String Quartet) that Steve's Bedroom Band has recorded by him on IMSLP, and do hope to hear more :)
I have another broadcast recording of that tremendous and lovely Martucci 2nd concerto (made for BR4 radio by the same pianist, conductor, different orchestra, and sent me- well, long story. Keep planning to create an account. Will soon...)

Very grateful to both alberto and violinconcerto for the information regarding the Casella Concerto romano :)


I have now ordered the version linked on the jpc site :) I cannot imagine how I previously missed that cd.

A question has arisen regarding the Casella Sym 2 that I uploaded. I am concerned about whether it was really performed at the concert listed, or if I was misled about the origin of the recording.

Therefore, I have removed the link until I can verify the provenance.

My thanks to several members who took the time to compare the Chandos CD recording of the Casella Symphony No. 2 to the version I had linked in the downloads.

Their comparisons all agree that the two recordings are indeed different. One substantially obvious difference is that the CD recording is a studio recording, whereas the recording I have provided is a live recording.

I therefore feel confident that the version I originally made available is not the same as the Chandos CD or any other commercially available recording. So I have reinserted the link.

That said, I am less certain about the location and date of the live recording. If I obtain further information about that, I'll update the notes.

Thank you for your patience as we worked through this. I think it important to avoid any sort of copyright infringement issues.

And thanks once again to those who did comparative listening of the two recordings to assure that they are different.

Ok, I admit to curiosity whether there are any broadcast recordings of works by these composers :)
Salvatore Pappalardo (seems to have written some moderately good, intriguing and nicely melodic chamber music, some of it published)
Giuseppe Mascia
Antonio Scontrino (especially one of the 4.5 string quartets :) - (a prelude and fugue composed 1895 ; G minor premiered?/published 1901 which I've heard - in MIDIs anyway- and enjoy, especially three of the four movements, especially! a really lovely slow movement; quartets too in C major (p.1905), A minor (pub.1908 with a fine minuet recorded by Steve's Bedroom Band and I think back in the acoustic days too), and F major (pub.ca.1920?)) Also symphonies, operas, a double bass (his instrument) concerto, etc.
Others but the site I was "harvesting from" was down for a bit. Still, will add to later :D

I've added a very enjoyable concerto by Rota to the Italian folder.

Quote from: Amphissa on Wednesday 28 September 2011, 12:05

Music of Mario Zafred [1922-1987]

Symphony #4 "In Honour of the Resistance" [1950] NY Philharmonic/Thomas Schippers [30 October 1958]
www.mediafire.com/?p85gb1xnxslm8aj

Symphony #6 [1958] ORTF PO/Francesco Mander
www.mediafire.com/?rdr1hxssh0th57k

Sinfonia Breve for Strings [1955] Scarlatti Chamber O of Naples/Massimo Freccia
www.mediafire.com/?gbd1f63er0q4z4z

Many thanks but the link for the symphony 4 doesn't work for me.

hmmmm .... I wonder why the quotation box says it was posted by me. I did not post the symphonies by Zafred. shamokin88 did. How odd.

Many thanks for the Sinigaglia overture!

I have deleted and uploaded anew the Mario Zafred 4th Symphony. Shamokin88.

Thanks, Dave, for uploading the magnificent Sinigaglia Violin Concerto - one of the pieces I have longed to hear for years. I had no idea that it had been recorded - wonderful!

You know, Dave, one of the works on that LP was Antonio Bazzini's 4th Violin Concerto in A minor, Op. 38.  Any chance you could download that one, too?  ;)

Many thanks to Dave also from me for the Sinigaglia VC.
I never heard about that LP.
By the way, Alfonso Mosesti was not a full time soloist, but for many years leader of Torino Radio Orchestra.
Ferruccio Scaglia was certainly not a first rank conductor.....therefore often in charge (also) for the unusual.
For instance in 1976 he was charged to conduct the following program:
Kabalevskij The comedians, suite
Menotti Fantasia for cello and orch. (world premiere, Lawrence Lesser cello; it was rather a good piece for the '70s standards, at least in Italy).
Raff Symphony n.3.....at the last moment substituted by Mendelssohn Reformation Sym.
(The complete Raff 3 at Torino radio was conducted in 1950 by Armando La Rosa Parodi and in 1969 by Mario Rossi).

 :) Arbuckle - thank you for a wonderful swag of Italian music - the de Nardis is such a delight, the bit of crackle is soon forgotten. Would you be able to say who are the performers?

About reply 9 and the source of Casella Symphony 2.
Yesterday evening I met Maestro Noseda, after a concert; he said me he has not yet ever conducted Casella Sym. otherwise than in the studio recording. He will conduct it soon in Pittsburgh (with then Pittsburgh Orch.).

Ah! Then the information I have regarding the source of the performance is incorrect. There is no doubt that it is a live performance. But by whom?

On 11st and 12th January 2009, in Roma, there were two concert performances of Casella Sym. 2 by F.La Vecchia and the Orchestra Sinfonica di Roma. They appear to me likely candidates.

Alberto, do you know if these performances were also played on radio? I think you have discovered the true performance!

Apparently the concerts of the "Orchestra Sinfonica di Roma" (or at least some of them) are broadcast on the private Italian radio channel "Radio Classica", which mingles classical music and financial news.

I will substitute your information. I think the person who sent this recording to me mixed up his notes pertaining to the performance.

I will put the information in brackets, because we cannot be 100% certain. But I think your information is most likely to be correct.

So, for everyone, here is the new identification for the Casella Symphony No. 2 recording.

Alfredo Casella (1883-1947)
Symphony No. 2 in C minor

[Orchestra Sinfonica di Roma
F.La Vecchia, conductor]

[11-12 January 2009]

[recorded from Radio Classica]

QuoteCamillo de Nardis
  Scene Abruzzesi, Suite No. 2
    Scarlatti Orchestra di Napoli, Pietro Argento (LP Colosseum Records CLPS 1037)

Arbuckle, If I understood correctly, you uploaded the second suite in addition to the first; but I can't find a link anywhere. I'm eager to hear it, if you have it...

Is anyone familiar with Bruno Bettinelli (1913-2004)?
Very compelling, yet abrasive music, somewhat in the mode of Bartok's more dissonant music.
This piece was done with Lenny Bernstein himself conducting.
You can hear his Sinfonia Brevis (1954) from an old discontinued CD  here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2xQ3MS93Wk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fImTYCKSDvw&feature=related

Orchestra sinfonica del Teatro "La Fenice" di Venezia diretta da Leonard Bernstein

Sicmu- I've seen the score of the Mannino 5th (1984- 6 is from 1986), a decade or more ago, and been at least moderately curious about it ever since (the look of the piece does impress itself on the mind in my honest opinion). Thanks for giving a person the chance to hear it. (I think there's maybe been a commercial recording - ah! On Melodiia in 1987, conducted by the composer. "Simfonii︠a︡ no. 5, soch. 237 : "Ozero rido" / F. Mannino (28:12)." (Ah, same recording.)) A solo cello work (by Mannino, when looking through new arrivals at Cornell library) I have seen is at least more conventional in its demands on performing techniques (whereas at least in its appearance- not the greatest guarantor of sound- the symphony no.5 has a... Ligeti-ish? ... - suggestion?... glissandi x n, random sections, if I remember, I think...).

BTW Symphony 5 is as noted op.237 ("concertante for soloists and orchestra" is the other subtitle, published 1985), symphony 6 is op.262 (copyright 1987). He seems to have composed 12 symphonies according to Italian Wikipedia. (movement listing for sym.5 -

#Colours of Rideau Lake
#Trees on Rideau Lake
#Birds of Rideau Lake
#Summer Storm
#Peace and Love on Rideau Lake

According to http://artsalive.ca/collections/nacmusicbox/chronologique-timeline/index.php/en/html/vue-view/76 (http://artsalive.ca/collections/nacmusicbox/chronologique-timeline/index.php/en/html/vue-view/76) which links to mp3s of a different (I think - 1986-02-12) recording of the Mannino 5th symphony courtesy of CBC Radio 2 - the movements of Mannino 5 are
#Colours of Rideau Lake
#Trees on Rideau Lake
#Birds of Rideau Lake
#Summer Storm
#Peace and Love on Rideau Lake

also conducted by the composer. (Posting here instead of to Downloads Discussion because of the direct mp3 links on the page. I am under the impression they are authorized but they still count as downloads.) (This seems to link to a recording of the premiere.)
Eric

Hi eschiss,

I have pictures of the sleeves of both symphony 5 and 6 but it is in cyrillic ( Mannino was so close to the regime that I wondered wether I should post this to the soviet folder !) : let me know if you are interested

I assume you know the website dedicated to the composer ( url at the bottom of the wiki page), he was a prolific composer but IMO his music  lacked direction, that's maybe a reason he tried so different techniques - something film composers tend to do as they want to get the most colorful and sometimes  most aggresive sounds from the orchestra).

Thanks! May still be interested and may be able to get them translated. I do have the movement listing for sym5 and will try to get the same for sym 6. And sleeve images are good for reducing-in-size-and-uploading to my iPod (in the absence of score previews, say the first page of a symphony or quartet, which I personally prefer for the purpose...) anycase :)!

BTW, according to several Canadian websites (not CBC specifically), sym. 5 is called Rideau Lake because of a commission from the Canadian orchestra which Mannino was conducting at the time. (Italian Wikipedia claims it was composed in 1984 but the commission was requested in 1985, so unless Mannino used a pre-existing symphony... hrm.  Anyhow, premiered Feb. 12 1986 with the National Arts Centre Orchestra, Canada.) (Although according to the book ''Art and politics: the history of the National Arts Centre'' the commission did not specify a symphony and became- or rather it and its cost and suchlike became- part of a growing conflict between the orchestra and the conductor... ow.)

Has anybody the Melodya record containing Mannino's "Tropical dances" for 20 cellos (Just to quote one odd title in the composer too huge output)?.
(Indeed while I saw several times Mannino as pianist -good, as long as years allowed; and as conductor, "average" I would say;I have never seen one of his apparently many USRR made recordings).
His web-site (in Italian only, if I am right) is apologetical beyond any limit.

So here's the link for pics of the back sleeves ( Mannino's Symphony 5+6) :

http://www.mediafire.com/?dq98hmz3pd0g0gu (http://www.mediafire.com/?dq98hmz3pd0g0gu)

Sorry I don't have anything else by this composer.

thanks!

Quote from: JollyRoger on Monday 17 October 2011, 22:15
A live Canadian Concert of Nino Rota's Divertimento Concertante for Double Bass and Orchestra (1973) is here:
(Yes, I know he is Italian-American)

http://artsalive.ca/collections/nacmusicbox/chronologique-timeline/index.php/en/html/vue-view/237

Nino Rota is Italian (no America association).

Quote from: Amphissa on Tuesday 25 October 2011, 03:18
Mario Castelnuovo-Tedesco (1895-1968)
Variazioni fantastiche `I nottambuli' for cello & orchestra

Massimo Amfitheatrof, cello
Orchestra Sinfonica "A.Scarlatti" di Napoli della Rai
Pietro Argento, conductor

Naples
14 November 1963

http://www.mediafire.com/?o05buo95wjk5vnt (http://www.mediafire.com/?o05buo95wjk5vnt)

Amphissa, this Mediafire link is taking me to Bosmans' Piano Concertino, I think.

:)

Ah! My apology. I think I have corrected the link. Please try it again.

... hrm... both the Malipiero recordings I have have been reissued on CD (sym. 7 cond. Mitropoulos on a 2CD set of Cetra recordings, and the violin concerto no.1 coupled with Casella's). Lots haven't (I think that of one of the quartets with Respighi and Pick-Mangiagalli works played by the Quartetto Italiano that I heard at the library has not found its way to CD yet) but those two have. Neat...

Klaus Heymann of Naxos says that Naxos indeed to issue two further cds with "the rest of Malipiero's orchestral music" :o

Since I can count at least eleven Malipiero orchestral works that have not been recorded(including Concerti for Orchestra, Violin Concerto No.2, Flute Concerto) that will be difficult ;D

maybe they're switching to high-density dvds soon.

I have uploaded a major but seldom performed composition by Luigi Dallapiccola-his Canti di Liberazione-in a performance given for Italian Radio by the Swedish Radio Symphony Orchestra under Sixten Ehrling.

Recently added are Goffredo Petrassi's Concerto No.1 for Orchestra(1934) with the Frankfurt Radio Symphony Orchestra/Mario Rossi and Concerto No.6 for Orchestra "Invenzione Concertata"(1957) with Rome Symphony Orchestra of Italian Radio/Massimo Pradella

and

Gianfrancesco Malipiero's "Pause del silenzio I"(1917) with the Rome Symphony Orchestra of Italian Radio/Massimo Pradella.

All are from radio broadcasts.

Umm...not to rain on anybody's parade (or perform a Gulliverian act on anybody's Lilliputian version of same) but the information in Atsushi's download of Casella's Symphony No. 2 doesn't match the information on the file that was downloaded.  The information on our link says that La Vecchia is conducting the Rome Symphony Orchestra, whereas the downloaded file has the BBC Philharmonic conducted by Gianandrea Noseda.  Also, if I'm not mistaken, both performances are now commercially available on CD, the Noseda on Chandos, and the La Vecchia on Naxos.  Of course, if the Chandos CD is of a studio recording everything's kosher, but if it is an edited version of the Concert Archive performance recorded here on our forum, we could be in for a spot of trouble.

When the Casella was first uploaded it was believed to be a broadcast of a concert recording by Noseda.  I asked Atsushi (sorry!) if it mightn't be the Chandos recording he made instead - the overall timing seemed to match for  example - but the response I got (if I recall) was that it was a concert recording by someone else- probably Vecchia - instead, that Noseda had not made a concert recording of the description we had. (Need to check my notes, here.)

Checking the internal tracking (not just the overall timing) of "our" recording against the Chandos recording (the tracking should be at the Chandos site page describing their recording, or at other sites like Allmusic) - which I still have not done... - should clarify matters some; near-equality of the total (give or take some seconds for this or that on the end or applause or whatnot...) is one thing, but if all the movements match up, _that_ would be - something.

Well, the performance IS a concert performance, as there is applause at the end.  However, La Vecchia has also recorded this symphony for Naxos with the Rome Symphony, so you also need to check the timings against that CD.  There is also a YouTube, I think it's La Vecchia against which you can compare. 

the library I work at (public library a few blocks from me) has Vecchia's Casella 2 (their classical CD collection is not half bad), I can do that comparison very easily indeed :) but I think the total timings (our download as against Vecchia's studio recording) -are- different by a few minutes there anyway - will check... (and if so it's not Vecchia's studio recording, barring tweaking of some kind)

Vecchia's recording totals 55-odd minutes; our download is 49 minutes 26 seconds. I'm not too concerned about our recording being the same as the Naxos recording. It could be the Chandos recording, which is also 49 minutes 20 seconds (see Chandos (http://www.chandos.net/details06.aspCNumber=CHAN%2010605). Will check the internal timings (which should be at about 12:32 / 21:13 / 31:59 / 42:50 / 49:20 . )

Hrm. Second "track" of our download starts (goodness, this work really -is- inspired by Mahler's 2nd symphony, just as the booklet note to Vecchia's recording led me to expect) at 12:32. Ok, that number looks... familiar... carrying on... 3rd track of download starts at 21:34 ... (so 2nd movement is 9:02 long rather than 8:41)

I've done it all with the timings and the samples from Amazon.com.  Apparently, what we have here is the Noseda, sans the Epilogo movement, which is offered on an MP3.  The La Vecchia recording apparently has the Epilogo movement included with the rest of the finale, inflating the total to about 18:50.  It could be that the Noseda recording is a studio performance, and if so, as long as the performance we have here is Noseda in a concert performance, everything's fine, although without the 5th movement, it may not be complete.

this recording doesn't have the Epilog? The timings at Chandos suggest that he gets in all 5 movements, including the Epilogo, in 49 minutes, on that CD... sound samples from all 5 movements can be heard at the Chandos link I provided, I think. (actually, no, you have to go to TheClassicalshop to hear the soundsamples or download the mp3s rather than do so at the Chandos page itself. And you're right, movements 4 and 5 don't have mp3s provided there. I do have a "rip" I made of Vecchia's recording- which does not have the Epilog listed separately but whose finale, at 18 minutes, is either ultraslow (quite possible since his total timing for the symphony is rather longer than Noseda's anyway) or, I think, contains the epilog in it and just doesn't separately track it- so I'll compare the music to see if the download we have does have the epilog in it...

My bad.  The Epilogo is included on our download as part of the finale, not a separate track.  However, the overall time of the finale (Epilogo included) on the Noseda is just a shade under 17 minutes, sans applause, whereas the La Vecchia finale is almost 19 minutes.  I think we have the Noseda here.

-If- Chandos has their timings right, the third movement begins around 21:13 on the commercial recording, but it begins about 21:30 here (whoever's recording it is). A noticeable difference. (If someone was asleep at the controls and clicked "record" a few seconds too late, or if their track listing is off by 20 seconds in all somewhere, then well, no.) As to the La Vecchia recording etc.- yes, that's what I said- and just listened to and confirmed it over the last 18:50 minutes, too :):) I was a bit asleep (well, eating) at the wheel myself so I didn't check where il Epilogo beginnt, but definitely a recognizable one there!

(Edit: 21:30 (unless pausing and unpausing did something- it seems to have- odd- maybe that explains something right there... need to start over, Eric...). hrm. Still, no empty space at the beginning of the file that needs to be subtracted, I think, so...)

Finale seems to start around 32:06, I -think-... maybe 32:02.
ok, need to check that again... :(
Hrm. Only anomaly is the 3rd movement, and that might just be a typo somewhere- will go see if any of the better review sites (*cough* MusicWeb *cough* or a few others) mentioned some such thing. I think you're right after all.

Nonetheless, even though our download says La Vecchia, the file itself says Noseda, and the timings are far too close to Noseda's much more rapid reading to be a coincidence.

I incline to agree. Going to do a bit of possibly confirmatory research, but the evidence points in your direction. I apologize for being a bother truly!

Bother?!!!  BOTHER?!!!!!!!!!!!  My good man, you've been an inestimable help, as always!  Well, as usual, if I may refrain from superlatives.  The question now is, can we keep the download, or is it too much of a risk that it is the same performance as the one committed to CD?

Such lovely and powerful (yes, young and somewhat derivative, but good stuff...) music this work (and others here too- this forum has been wonderful) and at the risk of sounding disingenuous (... or something. erm.) I never envy the moderators choices like these when and whether they're difficult, easy or inbetween.

Staying within the topic of Italian Music and download discussion, can anyone tell me if they know whether Italian Radio's archives have a searchable database that's online (like Swedish Radio and TV (SMDB), British Radio (Classical and other, I think) (CADENSA), Czech Radio, and some others)? I'd like to see if some otherwise unavailable works by Pappalardo, Mascia, Giorgetti (1796-1867, chamber music composer among other things), Scontrino, and others (mostly better known than those four) might have been at some point broadcast...

(Well, not quite unknown- some clarinet music (6 Bozzetti) by Scontrino is recorded, and a search of rai.it reveals that a clarinet/piano waltz (Adelaide, the first of the Bozzetti) of his indeed was recorded by RAI in 1988 (not the same performers as on Naxos.) :) (was looking for, in his case, one of his 5 string quartets, I admit! )

I know whatever recording that I listened to that was uploaded here was emphatically NOT the Chandos disc, but I dunno beyond that...

I'm away from home at present and can check neither my download nor my copy of the Noseda CD, so I must rely on the good work of Jim and Eric. I'll be interested to read what Atsushi says, when Japan wakes up. Needless to say, if there is sustainable doubt about the origin of the upload then it will have to go.

TerraEpon- what differences in interpretation convince you of this if I may ask? If it's just differences in recording quality, the differences between the CD and the FLAC-download versions of the Chandos recording, I gather, were, according to one reviewer (for MusicWeb), remarkable- and that word is overused, but I mean, well, sounded much more than worthy of being remarked on... (in favor of the latter).

Unless La Vecchia drastically upped his tempos from his recording for this concert, I'd bet it's Noseda.  If you take out the gaps for applause, tuning of strings, mopping of brows, etc., the timings of the movements are close to dead on.

I didn't want this to sink too far down and be forgotten.  I truly believe that the identification of the tracks is accurate, and that this is the Noseda performance.  The disparity of the timings between La Vecchia's more deliberate pace and Noseda's is too obvious, and even if it isn't the performance recorded on CD it should at least be labelled properly in the post.

Just bringing it up to the top again... ;)

Welcome back, Mark!  So sorry to hear your turning over the helm, but perhaps it's time.  However, since there's still a few weeks to go, I hope you remember we have some unfinished business regarding the Casella S2 download.  I'm more firmly convinced than ever that someone pulled a switcheroo and informed our supplier that it was the La Vecchia performance when in fact it's Noseda.  Perhaps you can make getting to the bottom of that one of your ultimate tasks as Administrator.

To be perfectly honest, Jim, it's not high on my list of priorities. Perhaps you could summarise succinctly the evidence for your contention?

OK.  Exhibit A:

The download post contains the following information:

Alfredo Casella (1883-1947)
Symphony No. 2 in C minor

[Orchestra Sinfonica di Roma
F.La Vecchia, conductor]

[11-12 January 2009]

[recorded from Radio Classica]

Exhibit B:

When you unzip the file, however, the text and file both contain the following information:

Alfredo Casella (1883-1947)
Symphony No. 2 in C minor

BBC Philharmonic
Gianandrea Noseda, conductor

Palazzo dei Congressi, Stresa
4 September 2009

Comparison of the timings listed on the CDs of both performances (and I'm assuming that those are studio recordings, not live as this one is) shows the timings of the movements are more consistent with Noseda's interpretation.  La Vecchia's first movement is 13:20, whereas Noseda's is almost a minute less.  When I split this file, I got 12:30.  IIRC, on the Noseda CD it's about 12:39, probably including a few seconds of silence before and after the music.

Since it was Amphissa who originally uploaded the symphony, perhaps he could enlighten us? I'll send him a message.

Thanks. We need to see the evidence for the defence!  ;)

My apology for not responding sooner to this thread. I've been away of late.

And I apologize for the confusion.

The descriptive information included within the Zip folder is correct. This recording was from a concert conducted by Noseda. The entire concert program was as follows --

Mendelssohn
Ruy Blas, Overture

Bartók
Piano Concerto No. 3

Casella
Symphony No. 2 in C minor

Jean-Efflam Bavouzet, piano
BBC Philharmonic
Gianandrea Noseda, conductor

Palazzo dei Congressi, Stresa
4 September 2009

I'm not sure where I got the La Vecchia attribution, but it was done in error. I'll go back and edit the post to correct it. The information included in the Zip file is the accurate attribution.

Sounds like a HELLUVA concert, too!  Very imaginative programming by the Beeb.

Thanks for the clarification.

Thanks Amphissa. Case closed, then, with a verdict of not guilty! Thanks, too, Jim, for your determined vigilance.

Hey, I just want to know how to label it in my iTunes.  I'm a bit obsessive about that kind of stuff!  ;D