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Title: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: giles.enders on Saturday 21 April 2012, 14:59
Henry Charles Litolff was born in Marylebone, London on February 6th 1818. His father Martin Louis L. was from Alsace and his mother Sophia Hayes, from Glasgow.  There were eight children in the family.  It is often written that he eloped to Gretna Green with the 16 year old Elisabeth Etherington 1.  In fact he married her at St Alphege church in Greenwich, London in 1835. From 1861 he resided in Paris after passing his publishing business in Germany to his son. He died at Bois-Colombes which is now a suburb of Paris in 1891
He studied under Moscheles from 1831 and made his concert debut at The Covent Garden Theatre in July 1832

Below are listed some of his compositions: Dates given are when published

Overtures
This designation is correct though the publisher also referred to them as Symphinique Dramatique - Robespierre is 12 minutes long.

Maximilian Robespierre alternative title Le Denier Jour de la terreur.  Op.55   1850  pub. by Richault
Dasi Welflied Von Gustav Von Mayern (Les Guelfes)  Op.99  1856
Chante des Belges  Op.101  1858
Die Girondisten  Op.80  1870
King Lear  1891

Concertos Symphoniques for Piano and Orchestra

No.1  in D minor   1839  (lost, possibly in the bombing of Leipzig)
No.2  in B minor  Op.22  1844
No.3  in E flat 'Hollandais' Op.45  1846
No.4  in D minor  Op.102  1852
No.5  in C minor  Op.123  1870

Works for Violin and Orchestra

Reve d'un Captif  Op.41  1847
'Eroica' Concerto Symphonique Op.42  1846
Reve d'Amour  Op.53
Serenade  Op.61

Other orchestral

A la memoire de Meyerbeer - funeral march
'Vagabonded' - polka  Op.25

Chamber

String Quartet in C minor Op.60  1851 pub. by G M Meyer
Piano Trio No.1  in D minor  Op.47  1848  pub. by Braunschweig & GM Meyer also Richault
Piano Trio No.2   in E flat major Op.56   1852   pub. by Braunschweig & GM Meyer
Piano Trio No.3  in C minor Op.100  1854  pub. by Braunschweig & GM Meyer
Serenade for violin and piano Op.91  1851
Three pieces for violin and piano: Reve d'amour, La Capricieuse, Scene Champetre. Op.53   pub. by Braunschweig & GM Meyer

Piano

Rondo elegant  Op.2
Grande marche fantastique  Op.3
Reverie au Bal, Grande Valse  Op.5
Fantasie on Rossini's Othello  Op.6
Grand variations brillant on the favourite air, 'Life's like an April Day', by Herold  Op.10   pub. by T Walsh  1835


for other piano pieces see list below.

Song

Three lieder  Op.46
Das neue lied  Op.48
Three lieder  Op.49
Three lieder  Op.52
Du meine Seele  Op.58.1
Two lieder Op.67
Lied  Op.76

Opera

Salvatore Rosa  1845
Catherine Howard  1847
The Bride of Kynast  romantic opera, Story by Ernst Klingemann  1847
Rodrique of Toledo  1860
The Cavalier Nahal or The Wager of the Devil,  comic opera  1866
Pandora's Box  1871  pub. by L Bathlot, Paris
Heloise and Abelard  comic opera  libretto by Louis Clairville & William Busnach 1872   pub. by Bathlot
Sleeping Beauty    fairy opera  1874
The Fiance of the King of Garbe  comic opera   libretto by Adolph d'Ennery & Henri Chabrillat  1874  pub. by L Bathlot, Paris
The Mandrake  story by Alexandre Dumas  1876
The Templers  1886  pub. by Enoch, Freres & Costallat
The Cavalry of the King  comic opera  1888
King Lear  (unfinished?)  1891

Vocal

Ruth et Boaz - Oratorio  libretto by Hippolyte Lefebvre   pub. by Choudens
Scenes from Goethe's Faust - for voice and orchestra  1875


Litolff married four times

Brothers & Sisters
Sophia Litolff  1814-1875
Martin Litolff  1816-1889
Maria Litolff  1816- ?
Henry Charles Litolff  1818-1891
Edwin Litolff 1819-1846
Frederick T Litolff  1821-1850
Alfred Litolff  1823-18 ?
Edward Litolff  1827- ?


He had 8 children by three of his wives.


Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: JimL on Saturday 21 April 2012, 15:37
Someone ought to do the complete trios on CD.  Same with the VC.  I wasn't aware that he has a string quartet to his credit.  Most of his solo piano music consists of short character pieces.  I was wondering if there aren't a few larger scale sonatas or fantasies among them.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: thalbergmad on Sunday 22 April 2012, 22:32
Quote from: JimL on Saturday 21 April 2012, 15:37
Most of his solo piano music consists of short character pieces.  I was wondering if there aren't a few larger scale sonatas or fantasies among them.

There are no sonatas as far as I am aware, but Litolff like many other composers of his era did compose fantasias on popular operatic themes such as Otello, Lucrezia Borgia & Robert le Diable and they are reasonably substantial.

Thal
 
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: Balapoel on Monday 23 April 2012, 04:44
This list is tolerably complete, but plenty of missing opus numbers.

Chamber

47   Piano Trio No.1 in d minor (ca.1848)
53   3 Pieces vor Violin and Piano (ca.1855)
56   Piano Trio No.2 in E flat major (ca.1850)
60   String Quartet in C major (1851)
91   Serenade for Violin and Piano (1851)
100   Piano Trio No.3 in c minor (ca.1854)

Operas

   Salvator Rosa, 1845
   Catherine Howard, 1847
   Die Braut vom Kynast, große romantische Oper nach Ernst August Friedrich Klingemann, 1847
   Rodrique de Tolède, Oper, um 1860
   Le Chevalier Nahal ou La Gageure du diable, Komische Oper, 1866
   La Boîte de Pandore, Opéra bouffe, 1871
   Héloise et Abélard, Komische Oper, 1872
   La Belle au bois dormant, Feenoper, 1874
   La Fiancée du roi de Garbe, Komische Oper, 1874
   La Mandragore, Komische Oper nach Alexandre Dumas, 1876
   Les Templiers, Oper, 1886
   L'Escadron volant de la reine, Komische Oper, 1888
   Le Roi Lear, Oper

Orchestral

   Concerto symphonique No. 1 in d minor
22   Concerto symphonique No. 2 in b minor, for Piano and Orchestra (1844)
45   Concerto symphonique No. 3 in Eb, for Piano and Orchestra (1845)
102   Concerto symphonique No. 4 in d minor, for Piano and Orchestra (1852)
123   Concerto symphonique No. 5 in c minor, for Piano and Orchestra (1867)
25   2 Vagabondes-Polka f. Orchester. Op. 25
41   Reve d'un Captive, Scène dramatique for Violin and Orchestra / Piano (ca.1847)
42   Eroica, Concerto symphonique for Violin and Orchestra (ca.1846)
53   Rêve d'amour, op.53 (n.d.);
61   Sérénade, op.61 (n.d.), also arr. vc, pf;
   A la mémoire de Meyerbeer, marche funèbre, Po;
55   Maximilian Robespierre, Symphonie dramatique for Orchestra (1849/50)
80   Girondins, Ouverture dramatique for Orchestra (1870)
99   Das Welflied von Gustav von Meyern, op.99 (1856), (Les Guelfes)
101   Chant des Belges, Ouverture dramatique for Orchestra (1854/55)

Piano

2   Rondo élégant for Piano
3   Grânde Marche fantastique.
5   Rèverie au Bal. Grande Valse p. Pfte.
6   Fantasia on Rossini's Othello for Piano
17   3 Mazurkas for Piano
18   2 Etudes de Concert
19   Souvenir de Lucia de Lammermoor
20   Grande Caprice de Concert de Lucrezia Borgia
21   Grande Fantaisie-Caprice de Concert de Robert le Diable
25   6 Opuscules for Piano (Tarantelle calabraise. Op. 25. No. 1 )
28   3 Caprices en forme de Valse for Piano
30   Moments de Tristesse, 2 Nocturnes for Piano
31   Invitation à la Polka for Piano (and/or 3 lieder ohne worte)
35   Die Preußische Post for Piano
36   Inviation à la Tarantelle for Piano
37   Grand Caprice de Concert en forme de l'Étude for Piano
40   Souvenirs de la Pologne, 3 Mazurkas for Piano
43   Souvenirs d'Harzburg for Piano
44   Promenade du Soir au Bord de Rhin, Fantasia for Piano
50   Feuille d'Album, Piano Piece
51   3 Lieder ohne Worte for Piano
54   3 Morceaux caracteristiques for Piano
57   Terpsichore, Etude de Bravoure for Piano
59   Souvenir d'Enfance for Piano
61   Sérénade for Piano
62   Nocturne for Piano
63   Le Retour, Pièce de Concert for Piano
64   Elégie for Piano
65   Arabesques, 6 Piano Pieces
66   Valse de Bravoure for Piano
70   3 Idylles for Piano
71   3 Aquarelles for Piano
72   La Harpe d'Eole for Piano
73   Ballade for Piano
74   Souvenir d'un beau Jour, Pensée musicale for Piano
77   Une Fleur du Bal for Piano
78   Chant d'amour, Étude
79   Tarantelle infernale for Piano
81   Spinnlied No.1 for Piano (1850)
82   3 Esquisses musicales for Piano
83   6 Lieder ohne Worte for Piano
89   Grande Valse brillante for Piano
90   Romance for Piano
95   Perles harmoniques for Piano
96   Chant du Printemps, Impromptu for Piano
97   Bacchanale, Scherzo for Piano
98   3 Impromptus for Piano
104   Spinnlied No.2 for Piano (1860)
105   Maitau, Lied ohne Worte for Piano
106   Les Octaves, Concert Piece for Piano (1860)
107   Valse élégante for Piano
108   Polka caractéristique for Piano
109   La Mazurka, Impromptu for Piano
110   Andante for Piano
111   La Chasse, Etude de Concert fo Piano
112   Le Carnaval de Paris
113   Melodie for Piano
114   Souvenir de Vienne, Caprice for Piano
115   Scherzo for Piano
116   A la Memoire de Meyerbeer, Marche funèbre for Piano (1864)
117   Impressions de Voyage, Piano Pieces
124   Neckende Geister. Impromptu f. Pfte.
125   Dernière Aurore, Lied ohne Worte for Piano
126   Frascati-Valse
127   Der Abendstern, Valse for Piano

Vocal

46   3 Lieder. Op. 46 . Hannover, Nagel 25 Ngr. No. 1, O Herz lass ab zu zagen. 12½ Ngr. – 2, Wolle keiner mich fragen. 10 Ngr. – 3, Das sterbende Kind.
48   Das neue Lied. Gedicht v. A. Buchheim, f. Bass. Op. 48
49   Nächtliche Wanderung, Liebesahnung, Trennung von der Geliebten, Songs
52   3 Lieder v. N. Lenau, f. Sopran. (od. Tenor.) Op. 52. (Mein Herz. Abendlied. Einsamkeit.)
58   3 Lieder f. Sopran (od. Tenor). Op. 58 (Widmung. Vergissmeinnicht. Meine Furcht).
67   2 Lieder. Op. 67 (Mein Herz allein. Des Schäfers Sonntagslied.)
76   Mein Herz ist krank, v. Saphir, f. Sopran (od. Ten.) Op. 76
103   Szenen aus Goethe's Faust for Voices and Orchestra (1875)
   Ruth et Boaz (orat, H. Lefebvre), vs (Paris, 1869)

Unknown opp: 1, 4, 7-16, 23-24, 26-27, 29, 32-34, 38-39, 68-69, 75, 84-88, 92-94, 118-122

Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: mgendron on Tuesday 24 April 2012, 22:21
I'm looking for a while for this composer which I only got 3 cds (2x hyperion and the one with the trio) and nothing else. Is there some other recotrdings? I think this guy is worth much more then what he is getting in recording. Difficult, perhaps I don't play piano, but surely challenging and very good.

I've been reading for about 2 years and this is my first post  and learn a lot. (sorry for errors, english is not my langage)
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 24 April 2012, 22:43
Welcome to the site! And don't worry about your English - we can understand you just fine! Unfortunately, there's very little of Litolff's music on CD - but perhaps other members can help...?
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: jerfilm on Tuesday 24 April 2012, 23:12
All of the Concerto Symphonique's except #1 have been recorded at some point as has been the Piano Trio in d, opus 47.   I have a cassette of the opus 55 Symphonie Dramatique and I know not right offhand where it originated.  That's all I'm aware of.

Jerry
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: JimL on Wednesday 25 April 2012, 00:17
Concerto Symphonique No. 1 is lost.  From what I gather there were no scores or manuscripts lying around after the composer's death; whatever there was of the work was at Litolff's Verlag in Leipzig, as were the plates (if any).  You guessed it.  Allied bombing in WWII took it out.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: mikehopf on Wednesday 25 April 2012, 05:49
Jerfilm..... please, please , PLEASE upload the Symphonie Dramatique by Litolff
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 25 April 2012, 11:46
Amen to that.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: jerfilm on Wednesday 25 April 2012, 14:24
I'll have to write another note to myself - not at home again.   Be a couple of weeks or so....

Jerry
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 05 May 2012, 03:14
Piano trios - no.1 op.47 published 1848 (see HMB 1848, page 183) ; no.2 op.56 published 1850 (HMB 1850, page 116) (in E-flat major - key from IMSLP score) ; no.3 op.100 pub.ca.1854 (maybe 1853). Not sure where 1850 and 1852 came from for the first two trios but they're much too late. (See Hofmeisters Monatsberichte. Earlier dates still may be possible - and these are publication dates; I have no idea what the composition dates were.)
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: EarlyRomantic on Saturday 12 May 2012, 02:49
Jerry, Have you returned home yet? Are you able to find and upload  the Robespierre overture? It appears many of us are excited, and would be grateful to you! Thank You.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: Jonathan on Saturday 12 May 2012, 12:07
Indeed, that would be interesting to hear!
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: Mark Thomas on Saturday 12 May 2012, 15:40
I can upload four overtures, including Maximilian Robespierre, providing I'm not treading on Jerry's toes.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: JimL on Saturday 12 May 2012, 16:42
Jerry has the symphony.  I'd be keen on the overtures and symphony myself.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: Mark Thomas on Saturday 12 May 2012, 17:42
The four overtures can now be downloaded from the British Music thread in the Downloads board here (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,856.msg33863.html#msg33863).
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: jerfilm on Monday 14 May 2012, 21:48
Glad you did, Mark.  Has been a horrendously busy spring and I've not had time to attend to digitiing music.....

Jerry
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 14 May 2012, 22:09
Not too busy to prevent digitising the Symphony though, I hope.  ;)
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: JimL on Monday 14 May 2012, 22:18
Wait a minute.  I'm a little confused.  The Robespierre Overture is Op. 55.  I wasn't aware that Litolff had composed an actual symphony.  Are we talking about the same work, or is there an actual Symphonie Dramatique?

From the works list it looks like there is no symphony.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 14 May 2012, 22:26
Jerry mentions an "opus 55 Symphonie Dramatique" in his earlier post. I hadn't picked up that the Robespierre Overture is op.55. I had blithely assumed that there was a Litolff symphony of sorts. Maybe it's the same piece, in which case (sigh) another disappointment!  :(
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: JimL on Monday 14 May 2012, 22:27
Well, we can always hope that somebody records the Eroica VC some time soon!
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: jerfilm on Monday 14 May 2012, 23:44
If you go back to Balapoel's post of April 23rd, you'll see the opus 55 as listed as Maximillian Robesperre but not as an overture as was the original post of the list of his works.  So it appears to me that there is some confusion over what the actual title of opus 55 really is.   The opus 55 came to me years ago as the Overture, and when I listed it a "have", I was quoting from the 4/23 post.   I had never heard of it as other than an overture prior to that.  Sorry if I've caused some confusion.

Jerry
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: Balapoel on Tuesday 15 May 2012, 02:36
Well, tracing it back: Grove's lists it as an overture, but it was referred to as a 'symphonie dramatique' here:

http://imslp.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Henry_Charles_Litolff

Also, to add to the (possible) confusion:

http://www.crlg.be/template.asp?id=biblio-list&auteur=LITOLFF
lists:
LE DERNIER JOUR DE LA TERREUR. 1E SYMPHONIE DRAMATIQUE

EROICA. SINFONIE-CONCERTO POUR LE VIOLON

LES GIRONDINS. SYMPHONIE DRAMATIQUE

Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: Mark Thomas on Tuesday 15 May 2012, 08:03
No question of "possible" confusion! Not a very helpful list, the one from the Liège Conservatory - they list Maximilian Robespierre no less than six times! The "Symphonie Dramatique: Le dernier jour de la terreur" might just be a seventh listing, given the subject matter, or it might be an separate work in which case the mystery deepens.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 18 May 2012, 21:54
HMB does list Op. 42. Eroica. 1stes Concert f. Violine mit Orch. received in January 1858... so I'm guessing it existed, but hoping it exists...
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: JimL on Friday 18 May 2012, 23:46
I believe this has been addressed earlier, Eric.  The full score and parts of the Eroica VC exist and may even be in the chute as we speak.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: albion on Saturday 19 May 2012, 09:24
Quote from: Mark Thomas on Tuesday 15 May 2012, 08:03
No question of "possible" confusion! Not a very helpful list, the one from the Liège Conservatory - they list Maximilian Robespierre no less than six times! The "Symphonie Dramatique: Le dernier jour de la terreur" might just be a seventh listing, given the subject matter, or it might be an separate work in which case the mystery deepens.

There is clearly some confusion of terminology, probably arising from early editions:

full scores of four orchestral works were published by Richault, Paris (undated, but c.1850-52) describing each on the first actual page of music as Drame Symphonique (i.e. symphonic drama) and giving an opus number, whereas the title pages of the same editions list the four works as a set but term them Symphonies Dramatiques (i.e. dramatic symphonies):

1. Le Dernier Jour de la Terreur, Op.55
2. Les Girondins, Op.80
3. Les Guelfes, Op.99
4. Chant des Belges, Op.101


As republished by Litolff, however, these works are termed as follows:

Ouverture zu Maximilian Robespierre, Op.55 - Trauerspiel (piano duet published 1852, full score published 1856)
Ouverture zu Die Girondisten, Op.80 - Trauerspiel (piano score published 1852, full score n.d., probably published 1856-57)
Das Welfenlied von Gustav von Meyern, Op.99 - Musikalisch illustrirt (piano duet published 1857, full score published 1857)
Chant des belges, Op.101 - Ouverture dramatique (full score published 1856)

Thus Le Dernier Jour de la Terreur was simply retitled Maximilian Robespierre. Les Guelfes was also retitled - it is the same piece as Das Welfenlied von Gustav von Meyern.

From their scale and single movement structure I think that Symphonic drama is a more accurate description of these pieces than either Dramatic symphony or overture: it is entirely possible that the publisher Richault erred on the title page.


:)

Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: Mark Thomas on Saturday 19 May 2012, 10:56
Crystal clear. Thanks, Albion.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: albion on Saturday 19 May 2012, 11:33
Dating is thus very problematic: all four were available in full score from Richault c.1850-52, but clearly several if not all may well have been composed earlier. I have altered the entries in the archive catalogue, where they are now listed as

Maximilian Robespierre (Le Dernier Jour de la Terreur), symphonic drama [No.1], Op.55 (c.1850-52)

Les Girondins, symphonic drama [No.2], Op.80 (c.1850-52)

Chant des Belges, symphonic drama [No.4], Op.101 (c.1850-52)


All that is lacking is a recording of Les Guelfes (Das Welfenlied von Gustav von Meyern), symphonic drama [No.3], Op.99.

:)
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: JimL on Saturday 19 May 2012, 15:26
Perhaps the confusion comes from the old use of the term "sinfonia" to mean an overture to a dramatic work.  Clearly these are all overtures, in the same sense of the term that Mendelssohn's The Fair Melusina is an overture.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Tuesday 29 May 2012, 23:12
Litolff did not write a symphony (not in the Beethovenian / Romantic sense). The "overtures" are all symphonic poems - or, as Albion says, symphonic dramas (a very good term IMHO).
Scores and parts exist in Fleisher of the following:
"Eroica" Concerto Symphonique for violin & orchestra
Overture "Maximilian Robespierre"
Overture "Die Girondisten"
Ballet music from Grand Opera "Die Tempelherren"
Piano Concerto symphonique No. 3
Piano Concerto symphonique No. 4

A number of French and Belgian libraries have copies of other orchestral works. There is also a concert overture "King Lear" (score in Bayerische Staatsbibliothek).
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: JimL on Wednesday 30 May 2012, 00:46
Quote from: Gareth Vaughan on Tuesday 29 May 2012, 23:12
Litolff did not write a symphony (not in the Beethovenian / Romantic sense). The "overtures" are all symphonic poems - or, as Albion says, symphonic dramas (a very good term IMHO).
Which all happen to be in typical overture sonata form... ;D
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: albion on Wednesday 30 May 2012, 08:45
Quote from: Gareth Vaughan on Tuesday 29 May 2012, 23:12There is also a concert overture "King Lear" (score in Bayerische Staatsbibliothek).

This is from his unfinished opera (1890).

I have overhauled the work-list on Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Henry_Charles_Litolff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Henry_Charles_Litolff) - to make it less confusing and more comprehensive.

:)
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 30 May 2012, 10:53
I didn't realise "King Lear" was an unfinished opera. BSB describes the overture as from "incidental music". Opera sounds more likely for Litolff.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: albion on Wednesday 30 May 2012, 18:21
Quote from: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 30 May 2012, 10:53I didn't realise "King Lear" was an unfinished opera. BSB describes the overture as from "incidental music". Opera sounds more likely for Litolff.

The title of the full score of the overture as published in 1891 by Litolff (plate 12558) reads -

Oper in drei acten nach Shakespeare und Holinshed von Jules und Eugene Adenis. Musik von Henry Litolff. Ouverture.

- presumably any other material for the uncompleted opera perished along with Litolff's other unpublished scores during the war.

:(
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 30 May 2012, 18:34
RISM does list the full short score of his first (I think) surviving opera Die Braut von Kynast, libretto by Friedrich Fischer after Klingemann, premiered October 3 1847. (detail according to RISM and badly translated "S (2), A, T (2), B (4), speaking voice, Coro V (006), pf (orch); one of the singing parts is named Cunegonde.) (Vocal score and piano solo arrangement ca.1848 by Louis Winkler (ca.1813-1886), name familiar to IMSLP-trawlers.) Some at least- maybe all-

(vla, vlc, b, fl, ob (2), cl (2), fag (2), cor (2), tr, trb, timp)
of the orchestral parts are at Hohenlohe-Zentralarchiv, Landesarchiv Baden-Württemberg, Neuenstein, so between the vocal score and the orchestral parts, it's- erm- conceivable one could mount a production, if they're in good shape, etc.- I guess...
Hrm. Ok, yes, the violin parts are missing in that list... maybe they're somewhere else- (hrm. Reconstruct from the short score? probably not.)
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 22 July 2013, 13:42
Belatedly in re the overture to Maxilian Robespierre, a (19th-century?) reprint/later edition (probably not the 1850-or-so first edition) of the full score can be downloaded from IMSLP now to follow along the recording we already have. I for one always like being able to do that (not to find mistakes or cuts, but because it can increase my enjoyment, ability to separate instrumental threads and reading skills - etc. I used to score-read-and-listen (both, I mean- I listen much more often) to Mahler 6 once a year at least for that reason alone.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: JimL on Monday 22 July 2013, 15:03
Quote from: eschiss1 on Wednesday 30 May 2012, 18:34
RISM does list the full short score of his first (I think) surviving opera Die Braut von Kynast, libretto by Friedrich Fischer after Klingemann, premiered October 3 1847. (detail according to RISM and badly translated "S (2), A, T (2), B (4), speaking voice, Coro V (006), pf (orch); one of the singing parts is named Cunegonde.) (Vocal score and piano solo arrangement ca.1848 by Louis Winkler (ca.1813-1886), name familiar to IMSLP-trawlers.) Some at least- maybe all-

(vla, vlc, b, fl, ob (2), cl (2), fag (2), cor (2), tr, trb, timp)
of the orchestral parts are at Hohenlohe-Zentralarchiv, Landesarchiv Baden-Württemberg, Neuenstein, so between the vocal score and the orchestral parts, it's- erm- conceivable one could mount a production, if they're in good shape, etc.- I guess...
Hrm. Ok, yes, the violin parts are missing in that list... maybe they're somewhere else- (hrm. Reconstruct from the short score? probably not.)
Have you considered the possibility that the orchestra lacks violins altogether?  One of Méhul's operas (Uthal) is orchestrated without them.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 22 July 2013, 18:32
as are several more recent orchestral works (Brahms 2nd serenade, at least 2 substantial violin concertos (Dohnanyi 2, Sessions), Stravinski sym. psalms - I think (or maybe just one movement?), etc.) Quite possible. Maybe they're relying on a contemporary (not necessarily reliable) report in which the intonation of the violins - hypothetically - was called into question; or a vocal score with parts marked out specifically for the violin section - to be able to say that they're missing- or, most likely, RISM is making, or passing along, assumptions that someone oughtn't (this happens much too often for my liking; in some cases I can think of, the assumptions - e.g., some of their composer attributions based on ms. (copies) where only a last name and initial exists (at best) - are not questionable, but out and out refutable/wrong, or maybe to be charitable, almost definitely so...)
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: pianobaba on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 20:55
Hello, I adore his piano concertos, the entry of the piano in the 2nd one is one of the most beautiful. I would like to find some of his other music, I only have the 2 Hyperion PC releases.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: Mark Thomas on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 22:12
Welcome, pianobaba. You can download four of Litolff's overtures from this site here (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,856.msg33863/topicseen.html#msg33863).
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: JimL on Wednesday 21 August 2013, 01:14
Hello pianobaba.  The Genesis label recorded two LPs with Litolff's works on them back in the '70s.  One was with Gerald Robbins premiering the entire 4th Concerto Symphonique (the scherzo had been recorded innumberable times prior to that), the other one was actually a double LP with piano trios by Henselt, Alkan, Thalberg and Litolff (No. 1), all performed by, IIRC, the Mirecourt Trio.  I believe that Commagère released an all-Litolff CD with the concerto and trio more recently, but I have no idea about its current availability.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 21 August 2013, 07:05
It's listed as "Temporarily out of stock" at Genesis - see here (http://www.genesisrecords.com/).
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: giles.enders on Sunday 21 May 2017, 14:59
As one of the most visited postings on this site, I thought I would ask if anyone is able to supply information about the following opus numbers:

1, 4, 7- 9, 11-16, 23-24, 26-27, 29, 38-39, 68-69, 75, 84-88, 92-94, 118-122. 

One of the earlier opus ones is likely to relate to that of his lost Concerto Symphonique from 1839.  I have not been able to track it's opus number.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Sunday 21 May 2017, 19:01
All these opus numbers are missing from the work list given by Ted Blair in his 1968 Dissertation "Henry Charles Litolff (1818-1991): His Life and Piano Music". However, BL lists in its catalogue as Litolff's Op. 10: Grand Variations brilliant for the pianoforte on the favorite air, "Life's like an April Day", by Herold, Pub. T. Welsh, London, 1835.
That's the best I can do so far, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: giles.enders on Monday 22 May 2017, 10:38
Well that is something especially as it is an early work.  I just live in hope !
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: JimL on Tuesday 23 May 2017, 15:08
The lost Concerto Symphonique is probably in the grouping from 1-16 except for the numbers accounted for.  Op. 22 is the 2nd Concerto Symphonique, IIRC.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Tuesday 23 May 2017, 18:02
You are probably right about the 1st Concerto Symphonique, Jim.
Op. 22 is indeed the Concerto-Sinfonie No. 2, but it is not one of the numbers Giles is trying to locate.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Tuesday 23 May 2017, 19:16
I would be VERY interested to find the orchestral score or parts of the following concertante works for violin & orchestra by Litolff:

Op. 41 - Reve d'un captif
Op. 53 - Reve d'amour
Op. 91 - Serenade

I have only been able to find piano/violin scores so far. Any help would be gratefully received.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: JimL on Wednesday 24 May 2017, 16:12
I'm astounded at the monumental bad luck it was that the only existing MS, plates (if any), and scores with parts of the Concerto Symphonique No. 1 would be in Litolff's Verlag when it got bombed.    >:(
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Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 27 May 2017, 21:59
Well, the war (and not only that war, but definitely that war) destroyed both people, industry, art (of all kinds) - so far as classical music alone is concerned (just the product, not at this moment speaking of the composers whose lives were of course often themselves blighted by the war) we also know that Algernon Ashton's music got it both at home (manuscripts destroyed in England) -and- in published versions (plates destroyed in Germany); Hans Fahrmann's music was decimated (many otherwise apparently mostly unpurchased works destroyed in the destruction of Otto Junne's publishing house); and - well, etc.

(On the flip side and more positively if a bit fliply, "World War II, while not, -primarily-, a musical, resulted in many memorable theatre songs." - paraphrasing, I think, a line from a Tom Lehrer revue.)
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: giles.enders on Friday 11 October 2019, 10:46
There is a rare chance to hear Henry Litolff's first piano trio in a concert at St.Pauls Church Knightsbridge, London on 21stNovember at 7pm.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 11 October 2019, 13:41
Thank you very much, Giles, for bringing this concert to the attention of this forum. I give below further details:

ST LAZARUS CHAMBER CONCERT
St Paul's Church, Knightsbridge


A Concert in Aid of The St Lazarus Charitable Trust to raise money for the relief of Leprosy Sufferers throughout the world.

Thursday 21st November at 7.00pm

Includes a rare performance of the Piano Trio in D minor by the English-born composer, Henry Charles Litolff, who is mainly remembered today for the sparkling and light-hearted 'Scherzo' from his Concerto Symphonique No. 4, op. 102 for piano & orchestra (1852).

Programme
Ludwig van Beethoven: Variations on "Ich bin der Schneider Kakadu" in G Op. 121a (1803)
Henry Charles Litolff: Piano Trio No. 1 in D minor Op. 47 (ca. 1848)
Johannes Brahms: Piano Trio in B Op. 8 (1854/89)

Simon Callaghan – piano
Benjamin Roskams – violin
Ashok Klouda – cello

Steinway Artist Simon Callaghan performs internationally as a soloist and chamber musician. He has performed at all the UK's major concert halls, and his extensive repertoire has included complete cycles of Beethoven and Brahms chamber works.
In 2017 he released, to critical acclaim, his debut CD for Hyperion Records' "Romantic Piano Concerto" series: the first recordings of Roger Sacheverell Coke's piano concerti with the BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra and Martyn Brabbins. As one half of The Parnassius Duo, with pianist Hiro Takenouchi, he has recorded, for the Lyrita label, works for two pianos by distinguished Victorians Percy Sherwood and Hubert Parry. Simon's first solo recording for Hyperion, world premières of piano works by Jean Louis Nicodé (1853-1919), was released this year. Website: https://www.simoncallaghan.com/

Benjamin Roskams currently holds the position of 1st violin with the BBC Symphony Orchestra. In addition, Benjamin has led the Dutch National Ballet as well as acting as guest deputy concertmaster of the Gothenburg Symphony Orchestra and Holland Symfonia. In the UK he works regularly with the LSO, LPO and Philharmonia Orchestra. He began playing the violin at the age of nine in Cardiff where he studied with Harry Cawood before winning a scholarship at the Royal Academy of Music, later continuing at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama, and at the Amsterdam Conservatoire. He now seeks inspiration from Ivry Gitlis in Paris. Benjamin has collaborated with leading artists such as the Brodsky Quartet, Ivry Gitlis, Emanuel Hurwitz, Mats Lidstrom, Alexander Baillie, Priya Mitchell, David Cohen and Thomas Carroll. Benjamin plays a c.1720 Joseph filius Andrea Guarneri violin generously loaned by Albert Cooper's family.

Cellist Ashok Klouda made his solo Wigmore Hall debut in 2010 as a result of winning the Worshipful Company of Musicians/Concordia Foundation Young Artists Fund award. He has won many other awards and prizes, including 1st prize in the 2006 J. & A. Beare Solo Bach Competition, the 2007 Royal College of Music Cello Competition and the 2009 Tunnell Trust concert scheme.
Since 2010, Ashok has been on the Advisory Board for The London Cello Society.
He has performed many times on BBC Radio 3 and recorded for the Nimbus Alliance label with the Barbirolli Quartet and for Champs Hill Records as a member of the Artea Quartet. In 2016, Ashok was made an Associate of the Royal Academy of Music.

Tickets: £15; £25 & £60 (includes buffet supper afterwards – limited number)

Tickets may be purchased through Jonathan Prichard
Phone 01273 202497 or email: jonathan.prichard@btinternet.com

or online at the parish website: https://www.spkb.org/lazarusconcert-nov19/ (https://www.spkb.org/lazarusconcert-nov19/)
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: Christopher on Friday 11 October 2019, 18:31
Quote from: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 11 October 2019, 13:41


Includes a rare performance of the Piano Trio in D minor by the English-born composer, Henry Charles Litolff...


Born in London to a Scottish mother....what does that make him?  :)
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 11 October 2019, 21:04
Confused, probably.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: giles.enders on Saturday 12 October 2019, 09:46
It makes him English.  His father sired 18 children. Henry had seven siblings from the same two parents, four marriages and eight children.  It was me that was confused doing the research.
Title: Re: Henry Charles Litolff 1818-1891
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 12 October 2019, 18:18
Not British?