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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 11 December 2014, 08:32

Title: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 11 December 2014, 08:32
cpo has announced the late January release of Paul Graener's Piano Concerto (soloist Oliver Triendl), together with his Sinfonietta for harp and strings, Three Swedish Dances and a Divertimento. More late-romantic wallowing, I hope. Preliminary details (but no sound bites) here (http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/paul-graener-klavierkonzert-op-72/hnum/4929548).
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: Aramiarz on Thursday 11 December 2014, 11:11
Excellent new! The last Cd in CPO with symphony in memoriam for his son's death (tragic event), I like very much
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: jerfilm on Monday 09 March 2015, 01:09
Are there any key signatures for any of these works?

Jerry
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 09 March 2015, 01:39
Hrm. Well, from jpc/cpo , "His Piano Concerto of neoclassical character and popular flair from 1926"...
The Divertimento in D can be viewed, I think, over at IMSLP (not by me -- it was first published in 1924, and renewed, so © applies - but in Europe.) See http://imslp.org/wiki/Divertimento,_Op.67_%28Graener,_Paul%29 (http://imslp.org/wiki/Divertimento,_Op.67_%28Graener,_Paul%29). So probably best to come to a decision oneself if one can :) (A piano duet reduction of the piano concerto is also @ IMSLP. Since that last was published in 1925 and presumably was not composed (mentis?) after 1925, the "from 1926" bit there befuddles me.
Yours easily befuddled,
ES

(Note: the http://imslp.org/wiki/Symphonietta_f%C3%BCr_Streichinstrumente_und_Harfe,_Op.27_%28Graener,_Paul%29 (http://imslp.org/wiki/Symphonietta_f%C3%BCr_Streichinstrumente_und_Harfe,_Op.27_%28Graener,_Paul%29) - symphonietta Op.27 - ah. Well, to answer your question: yes. First section starts in one sharp G major, though immediately with a lot of countervailing flats (at first, settling into a clearer G major 5 bars in). So key signatures and tonality in the Symphonietta? Yes- check link.
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 09 March 2015, 01:50
Hrm. Then again, not too surprisingly (after all, the one-movement Symphonietta was published in 1910) it may begin in G but it ends with a substantial coda that goes from E minor to E major. Wouldn't be surprised if he knew his Mahler (the strings & harp orchestration suggests the (now most famous movement of) the 5th, the tonal trajectory- in that very very broad way, not in detail...- suggests the 4th ;^) )
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: pianoconcerto on Monday 09 March 2015, 14:38
I downloaded the mp3 of the Graener piano concerto from two different vendors.  It is a very accessible, neoclassical work.  However, both of the downloads of the first movement, including the one from iTunes (USA), have the same bad glitches in the first movement (static noises & dropouts) between 3:26 and 3:42.  Has anyone downloaded a good mp3?  If so, from which vendor?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: sdtom on Monday 09 March 2015, 14:59
Quote from: pianoconcerto on Monday 09 March 2015, 14:38
I downloaded the mp3 of the Graener piano concerto from two different vendors.  It is a very accessible, neoclassical work.  However, both of the downloads of the first movement, including the one from iTunes (USA), have the same bad glitches in the first movement (static noises & dropouts) between 3:26 and 3:42.  Has anyone downloaded a good mp3?  If so, from which vendor?  Thanks.

Why don't you give this one a try?
http://www.classicsonline.com/catalogue/product.aspx?pid=2354116 (http://www.classicsonline.com/catalogue/product.aspx?pid=2354116)
Tom :)
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: JeremyMHolmes on Monday 09 March 2015, 15:41
I had this likewise on the FLAC download from eclassical and just assumed it was my router having a bad moment or two! Good to know it was not my hardware, and if anything finds a fault-free FLAC file, let me know!
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: pianoconcerto on Monday 09 March 2015, 15:50
Thanks for the suggestion, but have you actually downloaded the file without glitches from classicsonline?  It is my understanding that that is the same as what is streamed online on Naxos Music Library, and the NML version has the same glitches.  I suspect the problem lies with the original file provided by cpo to all vendors, especially if it is found on mp3, m4a, and FLAC downloads.  Maybe someone connected to cpo will read this and check.  I wrote to iTunes to report the problem.
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 09 March 2015, 15:51
Don't bother with the ClassicsOnline download. It has the same faults. I can't say that the music did much for me so I wasn't moved enough to complain.
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: FBerwald on Tuesday 10 March 2015, 03:24
Does the ClassicsOnline come with the complete booklet notes?
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: Mark Thomas on Tuesday 10 March 2015, 08:01
According to the listing on their website, yes. In practice, no. Not for me at least. Again, I haven't pursued it with them (although their customer service is generally impeccable) because I wasn't very excited by the music when I heard it, and so it's a very low priority for me.
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: FBerwald on Tuesday 10 March 2015, 09:08
I asked because I have been burned in the past with regards to the Symphony [Vol. 2]. I got a pdf file that claimed to be the booklet but which infact was just 3 pages with just the track listings in details.
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: Mark Thomas on Tuesday 10 March 2015, 11:10
Didn't even get that this time. Just a jpg of the album cover. Generally I find ClassicsOnline to be an excellent retailer, with very good customer support. Indeed, they're my download provider of choice, but of course they are dependent on the product they get from the labels they sell. I suspect that cpo did a sub-optimal job here. As I say, luckily I was also less than inspired by Graener's music, but that's not the point, I appreciate.
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: sdtom on Wednesday 11 March 2015, 14:15
Quote from: FBerwald on Tuesday 10 March 2015, 03:24
Does the ClassicsOnline come with the complete booklet notes?

yes they do and they are sized correctly to fit into a CD jewel box. I listened to the first movement and heard three glitches which I'll find out about through my contact at Naxos this morning. CPO needs to repair the file for sure.
Tom :)
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: sdtom on Wednesday 11 March 2015, 15:44
sent off the memo to Naxos, the US distributor of CPO so I'll see what if anything happens.
Tom :)
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: sdtom on Wednesday 11 March 2015, 20:22
My contact is sending me out a CD and I'll determine if it's okay. Will let you know.
Tom :)
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: jerfilm on Wednesday 11 March 2015, 21:40
I cut them out with Audacity but of course that still leaves a little "hump" in the performance.

Jerry
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 12 March 2015, 01:05
Any thoughts about the Symphonietta (composed by 1910?) Leaving posters here as cold as the (15-odd-year) later Divertimento and piano concerto?
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: sdtom on Thursday 12 March 2015, 01:40
Quote from: jerfilm on Wednesday 11 March 2015, 21:40
I cut them out with Audacity but of course that still leaves a little "hump" in the performance.

Jerry

If you pm me I can send the first movement of the repaired file. Naxos, at least in the USA was able to repair it.
Tom
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: jerfilm on Thursday 12 March 2015, 15:05
Thank you, kind sir.  I have pmed (??) you accordingly.

Jerry
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: sdtom on Thursday 12 March 2015, 15:13
Will do it now.
Tom :)
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: sdtom on Friday 13 March 2015, 14:22
I'm happy to help anyone else with this if they want.
Tom :)
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: sdtom on Monday 16 March 2015, 18:37
"For amongst the youngest our hope is for the preservation of what their predecessors have created and for the continuation of their works." Paul Graener 1923.

Sums him up very nicely.
Tom :)
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: sdtom on Saturday 21 March 2015, 22:45
After several listens I've grown to like this nice variety of work from Graener
https://sdtom.wordpress.com/2015/03/21/orchestral-works-iiigraener/ (https://sdtom.wordpress.com/2015/03/21/orchestral-works-iiigraener/)
Tom :)
Title: Re: Graener Piano Concerto from cpo
Post by: FBerwald on Wednesday 26 August 2015, 19:13
I actually like the Piano concerto - very neo-classical without the extra sarcasm which so many other composers feel the need to inject into their neo-classical type compositions. I haven't had time to hear the other works on the album yet.  BTW, with regards to the booklet for the VOL 2 of his works, I would be grateful if someone can help me out... I really want to read more about this amazing symphony.