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Title: English Music Festival - incl. M. Phillips Symphony
Post by: musiclover on Saturday 18 February 2017, 10:39
Has anyone noticed the English Music Festival programme for this year yet? I just saw it and the opening concert has the Montague Phillips Symphony in C minor. I know that the full score has been missing since around the First World War, and Philips re worked the two middle movements into separate tone poems, but this looks like it could be a "find". As Martin Yates is conducting I presume he may have been responsible for putting the symphony back together, maybe from orchestra parts. I believe Phillips is thought of as a bit of a light music composer but whatever his reputation nowadays,  this symphony is supposed to be substantial. Could be interesting. The concert also includes a previously unplayed Stanford Overture. That should also be of interest to us and presumably the concert will be broadcast by Radio Three as they usually are.
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Post by: M. Yaskovsky on Sunday 19 February 2017, 09:45
And hopefully one or two Dutton releases on SACD!
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Post by: Mark Thomas on Tuesday 06 June 2017, 20:32
I've uploaded today's broadcast of Stanford's Concert Overture, from this concert, in our Downloads Board here (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,6517.msg68863.html#new). Montague Phillips' Symphony follows...
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Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 06 June 2017, 22:10
I heard parts of the Symphony in the car this afternoon. Looking forward very much to hearing it in full!
Title: Re: English Music Festival - incl. M. Phillips Symphony
Post by: Mark Thomas on Tuesday 06 June 2017, 22:12
Here's the link (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,6518.0.html) to the recording of Montague Phillips' Symphony, broadcast earlier today on BBC Radio 3, and now available in our Downloads Board.  It's an impressive, convincing work which at first hearing certainly retained my interest over its 49 minute duration. The orchestration is very colourful, occasionally strident but also sometimes lapsing into almost chamber music-like textures. I hestitate to suggest that Elgar's First is a model, but Elgar certainly shines through here and there, although the piece lacks a "big tune" to stitch it together. All in all, an exciting discovery. The movement titles weren't broadcast, and I can only find online references to the two middle movements, which Phillips re-used. 
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Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 06 June 2017, 22:17
Wow, a big piece indeed. Thanks very much, Mark!
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Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 06 June 2017, 22:27
The opening night of the English Music Festival concluded with what we assume is the only symphony by Montague Phillips – a composer once famous, now largely unknown. Phillips – a Londoner – produced a work of Elgarian length and Tchaikovsky-like stature, but woven together with the silken threads of light music. Alongside the dramatic moments of the great score, which ended with an emphatic organ section thundering out "behind" and above the orchestral surge, there were sections of palm-court nostalgia and tenderness – a sense, perhaps, of Eric Coates before his time.
http://www.quarterly-review.org/endnotes-5th-june-2017/ (http://www.quarterly-review.org/endnotes-5th-june-2017/)
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Post by: giles.enders on Wednesday 07 June 2017, 11:41
We have the conductor Martin Yates to thank for resurrecting this very fine work.  I am hoping it will be released as a commercial recording.
Title: Re: English Music Festival - incl. M. Phillips Symphony
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 07 June 2017, 12:49
How much of it did he compose himself - if anything?
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Post by: FBerwald on Wednesday 07 June 2017, 13:24
I believe this is 100% Phillips and Yates' contribution would be in recreating the score from the surviving parts.
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Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 07 June 2017, 13:47
That is correct.
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Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 07 June 2017, 15:57
Oh, it's good that the whole piece survived. Kudos to MY for his fine work - and conducting!
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Post by: TerraEpon on Wednesday 07 June 2017, 18:32
Quote from: FBerwald on Wednesday 07 June 2017, 13:24
I believe this is 100% Phillips and Yates' contribution would be in recreating the score from the surviving parts.

I always wonder why when they have a full set of parts something is labeled a 'reconstruction'? One of the most prominant examples being Rachmaninov's 1st Symphony. It's simply a matter of copying, one would assume....sure maybe touching up some mistakes and whatnot, but hardly worthy of even being more than a footnote in a detailed discussion.
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Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 07 June 2017, 20:05
Well you try doing it. It's really not that straightforward at all - and takes a long time.
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Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 07 June 2017, 22:03
It certainly isn't straightforward - much care has to be taken and egregious mistakes avoided.
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Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 08 June 2017, 10:25
Phillips' Symphony displays a handling of the orchestra which is quite stupefying in its brilliance and virtuosity for a composer in his mid-twenties. The idiom, I'd say, is Elgarian at his most Straussian (think In the South), with particularly astonishing writing for brass. All it lacks is a 'big tune', but I'm mightily impressed all the same.
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Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 08 June 2017, 10:31
More about Phillips:

Montague Phillips was born in London in November 1885 and is probably most well known for the opera The Rebel Maid staged in 1921 and the very popular song from the opera, The Fishermen of England. At an early age he was noted as a promising boy soprano in the choir of St. Botolph's Church, Bishopgate. He went on to study at the Royal Academy of Music along with such contemporaries as York Bowen, Benjamin Dale and Arnold Bax where he eventually became a Professor of Harmony and Composition.

At the Academy he won the Charles Lucas Memorial Medal for an early work and moved on to become an organist firstly at Theydon Bois, Essex and then Christ Church, Wanstead and finally Esher Parish Church where he remained for more than 30 years. His work developed after he met and married the singer Clara Butterworth and he wrote a great number (more than 100) of popular ballads and songs in the style of the day. His song cycles include From a Lattice Window, Sea Echoes, Dream Songs, Calendar of Song, Old-World Dance Songs and Flowering Trees.

Phillips produced two piano concertos and a variety of orchestral works. His other opera The Golden Triangle does not appear to have ever been produced. He also wrote a symphony in 1911, a Fantasy for violin and orchestra, and a Sinfonietta broadcast in 1943. Overtures include Revelry and Hampton Court. His suites include The World in the Open Air, In May Time, Village Sketches, Dance Revels and Three Country Pieces. His Empire March was performed at a Henry Wood Prom concert in 1942 and the patriotic In Praise of my Country was given a performance in the 1944 season. He wrote organ and choral music, a variety of single movements and various piano arrangements of his light orchestral suites.

Phillips died in January 1969 at Esher.
http://www.lightmusicsociety.com/composers/?composerDetail=17 (http://www.lightmusicsociety.com/composers/?composerDetail=17)
Title: Re: English Music Festival - incl. M. Phillips Symphony
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 08 June 2017, 10:53
QuoteI'm mightily impressed
Yes, me too, it's a very fine piece which fully justifies its length. More than anything else, Phillips' writing for the orchestra is absolutely magnificent; such power, such variety of mood and colour. What I suspect will prove to be the lack of memorable melody is a little perplexing, considering his career as a writer of "light" music, which depends upon it so much, but despite that I suspect that this is one of the few works to which I will return even though after a gap of a few hours I cannot recall it in detail - as I do to Cherubini for example.
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Post by: minacciosa on Thursday 08 June 2017, 16:18
Indeed, reconstruction is exactly the correct term. An editor is taking the constituent parts of a currently non-extant whole and reassembling them according to received rules. the first outcome is never completely right, for there are inevitably mistakes both minimal and egregious in the hand-copied parts of little-performed works that extend from wrong notes to incorrect numbers of rests. These cannot be corrected until the first reading whereupon the editor must go back to the bench and amend all that was awry.

It's a big job and not at all straightforward.
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Post by: JimL on Thursday 08 June 2017, 22:58
Nonetheless, a complete set of parts is the complete symphony.  The job is essentially collating and editing the result.  I hope that the movement tempos can be found and added to the download at some point.
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Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 08 June 2017, 23:22
Well, true. But don't underestimate the care and concentration with which the work has to be undertaken.

As for the movement tempi, why not contact Martin Yates himself, Jim? Contact details can be found here:
http://www.hazardchase.co.uk/artists/martin-yates/contact/ (http://www.hazardchase.co.uk/artists/martin-yates/contact/)
We look forward to hearing from you...
Title: Re: English Music Festival - incl. M. Phillips Symphony
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 09 June 2017, 18:10
Given how often parts disagree with each other - in tempo indications, in accidentals (sometimes intentionally (Charles Ives to an overzealous editor: "The wrong notes are -right-!") but often more just a matter of forgetfulness), ... - collation is in fact editing work, not something with a single given outcome.

(Rachmaninov's 1st symphony was mentioned; in the opposite direction, parts had to be created for Rubinstein's 3rd symphony- apparently the original 19th century parts had gone walkabout- before a performance and recording (two...) could be made awhile back.)
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Post by: Richard Moss on Friday 09 June 2017, 20:08
Mark,

Thanks v. much for the Phillips uploads. I've already got his piano concertos and was thinking of exploring his repertoire further, so very timely.

There is a current Dutton CD of some of Phillips' orchestral works including (according to the Allmusic data) two movements from this symphony - A Spring Rondo and a Summer nocturne.  The Dutton web-site merely says the CD contains (i) Symphony in C minor (no track details) and (ii) the Sinfonietta in C min (Op. 70).

Can anyone clarify if the symphony on the BBC broadcast relates to either work on this CD??

Cheers

Richard Moss
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Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 09 June 2017, 20:39
I believe they are the composer's reconstructions of these two movts AFTER the score (and parts) seemed to have gone missing. He retitled them as these two "symphonic poems" (if you like) so they may well differ somewhat from the original movts in the parts rediscovered by Yates.
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Post by: semloh on Sunday 11 June 2017, 09:35
The two excerpts of the Symphony in C minor on the Dutton MPhillips disc (Spring rondo and Nocturne) suggested a fine work. How marvellous to now have this recording from the English Music Festival.
Thanks to Mark, and to Martin Yates.  :)