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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: Aramiarz on Thursday 11 December 2014, 05:47

Title: Bargiel Symphony etc. on Sterling
Post by: Aramiarz on Thursday 11 December 2014, 05:47
Dear friends, it will be very interesting listen the two versions. The only diference is that Sterling has the Intermezzo, Toccata has the Prometheus Ouverture
Title: Re: Bargiel Symphony etc. on Sterling
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 11 December 2014, 07:51
I assume you are referring to the Symphony, Aramiarz. Can you give us details of the orchestra and conductor involved? They'll have to be extremely good to compete with the Toccata team...
Title: Re: Bargiel Symphony etc. on Sterling
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 11 December 2014, 22:49
the Intermezzo would be the orchestration of the slow movement from his piano sonata, if I'm not mistaken?... (lovely movement in either guise.)
Title: Re: Bargiel Symphony etc. on Sterling
Post by: Aramiarz on Friday 12 December 2014, 03:15
Dear Erick: Yes!!!
Dear Alan: the conductor is José Miramontes Zapata and the orchestra is OSSLP (Orquesta
Sinfónica de San Luis Potosí). Exactly is the Symphony, Medea, Intermezzo and Trauerspiel inspired in Romeo and Julieta.
Title: Re: Bargiel Symphony etc. on Sterling
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 12 December 2014, 09:13
Seems Sterling are doing a lot of work in Mexico!
Title: Re: Bargiel Symphony etc. on Sterling
Post by: Aramiarz on Friday 12 December 2014, 17:02
Yes my friend!! In 2015 Comes Castro, more Ponce, Curiel, Moór, Bordes, Duparc, Scharwenka, etc!!!I have too the wish of Haarklou :-[
There are a lot of work!!!
Title: Re: Bargiel Symphony etc. on Sterling
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 12 December 2014, 18:48
Wonderful news. How marvellous that you have musicians willing to undertake this work on behalf of forgotten composers and their music!
Title: Re: Bargiel Symphony etc. on Sterling
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 21 December 2014, 19:15
Here are the details:
http://www.sterlingcd.com/catalogue/cds1105.html (http://www.sterlingcd.com/catalogue/cds1105.html)
Title: Re: Bargiel Symphony etc. on Sterling
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 21 December 2014, 19:19
Aramiarz asks:

Dear Alan, What is your opinion about the performance?
Title: Re: Bargiel Symphony etc. on Sterling
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 21 December 2014, 19:20
It's hard to tell exactly from the audio excerpts, but they sound very promising.
Title: Re: Bargiel Symphony etc. on Sterling
Post by: Aramiarz on Monday 22 December 2014, 02:46
Dear Alan, Thank You very much for your comments, It will be interesting to know your words when You have listened all the Cd!
Title: Re: Bargiel Symphony etc. on Sterling
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 05 January 2015, 21:20
OK, let's take the Symphony.
Timing comparisons with the Toccata recording are revealing:

                       I             II             III            IV           Overall
Toccata        8:24       10:50       4:36         6:16         30:06
Sterling      11:00         8:43       5:15         6:38         31:36

So, there are some obvious differences: In the first movement it appears that the Sterling performance must include a repeat left out in the Toccata recording as the tempi are pretty similar. The slow movement is substantially quicker in the Sterling performance, whereas it is the other way round in the third-movement Menuett. The finale is similar in feel in both performances.

On the whole, I'd favour the Toccata recording for the following reasons:

- the Menuett to my mind is too stately in the Sterling performance.
- there are some distracting audience/orchestra (?) noises in the Sterling performance (which was
       recorded live).
- the Sterling recording is somewhat glassy sounding, although the orchestra is set further back in
      a fairly resonant acoustic, which some might prefer.
- the Toccata performance is tidier overall and more powerful. The recording is more 'upfront' and
      analytical.

However, I did like the greater sense of scale of the first movement in the Sterling recording. Overall, it's great to have two recordings of this life-enhancing work.

By the way, the English translation featured in the Sterling booklet is unidiomatic. The booklet which accompanies the Toccata release is much more detailed and helpful.

Title: Re: Bargiel Symphony etc. on Sterling
Post by: Aramiarz on Monday 05 January 2015, 23:21
Dear Alan
Thank you very much for your importants comments!! But, Do you enjoy the 2 versions ?And your opinion about Medea's performances?
Title: Re: Bargiel Symphony etc. on Sterling
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 05 January 2015, 23:46
I found both versions of the symphony convincing and enjoyable. I am glad I have both CDs!
However, I haven't made any other comparisons yet.
Title: Re: Bargiel Symphony etc. on Sterling
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 06 January 2015, 02:01
Anyone want to compare all 3 versions (interpretatively, not sonically) - Sterling, Toccata, radio broadcast? :)
Title: Re: Bargiel Symphony etc. on Sterling
Post by: Aramiarz on Tuesday 06 January 2015, 02:17
Thank you Alan!!
Dear Erick, interesting your post!
Title: Re: Bargiel Symphony etc. on Sterling
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 06 January 2015, 17:31
The radio broadcast can now safely be consigned to the dustbin, I think. By comparison with the two new CD releases it was a pretty feeble effort, especially in the first movement. However, we must be grateful to that performance for keeping the work alive...
Title: Re: Bargiel Symphony etc. on Sterling
Post by: Aramiarz on Monday 12 January 2015, 13:13
Dear Alan, when you can, I wish to know your opinion about Medea, I like very much this piece!! I think so that is other interesting discovery!