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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: FBerwald on Wednesday 22 October 2014, 21:00

Title: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: FBerwald on Wednesday 22 October 2014, 21:00
Hyperion has announced an amazing release for the new year Vol 18 of the Romantic Violin Concerto series - Joseph Jongen & Sylvio Lazzari

(http://i58.tinypic.com/15pjzlv.png)

http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/dc.asp?dc=D_CDA68005&vw=dc (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/dc.asp?dc=D_CDA68005&vw=dc)

Joseph Jongen -    
Fantasia in E Major, Op. 12
Adagio symphonique in B Major, Op. 20
Violin Concerto in B minor, Op. 17
Sylvio Lazzari -
Rapsodie in E minor

Something to look forward to.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: izdawiz on Wednesday 22 October 2014, 21:43
 :o  oooh now that's what I'm talking about!  ;D
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: Aramiarz on Wednesday 22 October 2014, 21:49
Excellent!  I think that the violin concert by Jongen it's first time recorded! It's dedicated to Ysaye.
All his concertant works are recording! Cello, Harp, piano, organ..

I like very much Lazzari works, this Rapsodie is one Excellent rescue :)
Thank You FBerwald
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 22 October 2014, 21:58
This is much more like it! After a string of not-so-unsung works we at last have a release in the RVC series which is as mouth-watering as many in the RPC series. Hooray for Hyperion. I do hope that it's the start of a trend.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 22 October 2014, 22:31
Great spot. Definitely one for the must-have list.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: DennisS on Thursday 23 October 2014, 02:36
I rate the music of Jongen very highly indeed and this forthcoming release caught my eye immediately! I have just been listening to the Hyperion sound bites and can't wait to purchase the CD. Pity it's not available to 5 Jan. A must buy for certain!
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: FBerwald on Thursday 23 October 2014, 11:47
Seems there is no worklist of Jongen. Surprising since his output is vast. Do we have any Jongen specialists in the house ? :) perhaps Hyperion might pick up his Piano concerto as well.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Thursday 23 October 2014, 12:44
The only available recording of Jongen's PC is old and the sound not at all good. A new modern recording would be most welcome.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: mjkFendrich on Thursday 23 October 2014, 13:37
The French wikipedia article on Jongen is/contains a quite impressive - but not complete - worklist.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Jongen (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Jongen)

Unfortunately, the forthcoming CD omits his Poème héroïque pour violon et orchestre Op. 62 (1919)
in favour of Lazzari's Rapsodie of approximately the same duration.
(Of course, I am quite happy to get this Lazzari piece as well :-).
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: vicharris on Thursday 23 October 2014, 14:03
Wow! Did somebody have an originality of inspiration transplant in the Series planning department?  Looking forward to this a lot.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 23 October 2014, 15:09
A quick Google Images search confirms that the portrait photo of Jongen on the CD booklet cover is in fact that of Alexandre Guilmant. I've emailed Hyperion with the good news....
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 23 October 2014, 16:55
Your reward should be to get to suggest the next volume in the series. How about Gernsheim VC1 and Draeseke VC (orch. Müller-Steinbach)?
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: minacciosa on Thursday 23 October 2014, 17:14
It is curious that they didn't include the Poeme Heroique and the Epithalme et Scherzo, which would not only have made for a complete edition, but a wonderful stylistic contrast as well. All of the Jongen works on this cd are very early, and they show no hint of the amazing stylistic growth to come. The Epithalme is a transitional work, whereas the Poeme is written in the composer's fully formed mature style. That just means i still have to do an integrale.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: poem_of_ecstasy on Thursday 23 October 2014, 18:32
Or how about the Gustav Hollaender VC? http://imslp.org/wiki/Violin_Concerto,_Op.52_%28Hollaender,_Gustav%29 (http://imslp.org/wiki/Violin_Concerto,_Op.52_%28Hollaender,_Gustav%29)
or the Nicolaas Gerharz VC? http://www.muziekschatten.nl/action/work?id=1227 (http://www.muziekschatten.nl/action/work?id=1227)
or, or...
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 24 October 2014, 03:33
There's actually a thread somewhere on just such (violin concertos you'd like to see revived, etc.) - I think- but we (that'd be us- I'm not an admin here- though it is admin policy) recommend always that one provide something more than a name and a link- say, reasons why you think the work deserves a violinist's and other musicians' attention, etc.

Even among violin concertos one's heard (especially if one has access to this forum, YouTube, radio tapes, etc) there'll be those one believes deserves wider circulation (and it's easier to give reasons if one's heard a piece, though of course not impossible even if one hasn't, otherwise practically nothing would get off the ground past maybe a first performance by a violinist-composer or a violinist who knew the composer well... or... but actual revivals would be impossible, I agree. I'll point you to the upload on this site of Bortkiewicz's violin concerto e.g. ... not commercially available, but maybe it should be... or Erich Wolff's... :) in the meanwhile, a hurrah for Jongen is entirely appropriate, and Lazzari who we were speaking of in another context here just very recently anyway :)
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: Aramiarz on Friday 24 October 2014, 19:18
Dear Mark: good eye for Guilmant identification!, :o, Hyperion answer You?
Dear Gareth: the PC And Harp concert And one Passacaglia are in the Cd. I don't remember well If the performance is since 1950's. I have these Cd. I will revise it.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 24 October 2014, 20:44
No, no reply yet from Hyperion. I'll post when (and if) they do.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Saturday 25 October 2014, 20:16
Dear Aramiarz,
The CD you have will almost certainly be of the recording by Eduardo del Pueyo with the Belgian Natonal Orcherstra under Fernand Quinet. It dates from 1955.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: minacciosa on Saturday 25 October 2014, 22:27
Musically and technically that recording still holds up very well today.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Sunday 26 October 2014, 14:14
There is, unfortunately, considerable distortion in places of the sound on the PC - at least on the disk I have. The other pieces fare much better and have perfectly acceptable sound.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 26 October 2014, 20:54
Wait, are we still talking about the Hyperion disc?...
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Sunday 26 October 2014, 22:20
What Hyperion disk, Eric? The Jongen PC has not been recorded by Hyperion - yet. It's the VC they've recorded! Sorry. This is my fault for creating a digression about Jongen's Piano Concerto. Let's forget about that and concentrate on the subject of this thread. Apologies again for leading folk up a blind alley.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 26 October 2014, 23:14
well, if I didn't follow people up them so readily, I wouldn't have such high repair fees for my spectacles. Ouch. *bump*
Anyhow, agreed, agreed.
Some of the works on the disc have, I think, been uploaded here, thanks largely to minacciosa and his performances (also available sometimes on his Youtube channel); has anyone heard this particular Lazzari work somewhere, maybe in a broadcast?...
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: Aramiarz on Monday 27 October 2014, 02:40
The Lazzari piece is very rare, I searched And never found where was the score. I think so that is one premiere in all sense!

Maybe the Jongen repertoire too are discoveries And there aren't anyone recording And broadcasting.

There are forgotten works until today!
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 27 October 2014, 16:11
The French national library has a violin/piano reduction of the Lazzari, anyways... see here. (http://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb430984970/PUBLIC) (as does the Dutch Royal Library and a number of others). As to the full score, hrm. Let's see. Heugel may have only rented the parts. Now what became of Heugel again... ah, merged with Leduc. No results under Leduc for works by Lazzari...

It seems to have been premiered by Enesco in March 1923 after the violin/piano version was published in 1922, btw. From Le Figaro for 12 March 1923, as digitized by Gallica.bnf.fr : " Enesco a fait entendre aussi, à la même séance, et pour la première fois, une Rapsodie
pour violon et orchestre de M. Sylvio Lazzari" (séance here referring to concert or gathering, not spirituality... as in, the same appearance as the Bach A minor violin concerto performance by him that we (the writer for the Figaro, not _we_) just mentioned- or something like that.)
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: Aramiarz on Friday 31 October 2014, 02:48
Dear Erick, very interesting your research! The Hyperion booklet surely has more interesting information about  these works
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 31 October 2014, 02:55
And fortunately, Hyperion usually makes the booklet available for free online.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: Aramiarz on Friday 31 October 2014, 18:11
It's true, few labels, made it thus!
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 21 November 2014, 07:41
The forthcoming CD is now being advertised at MDT:
http://www.mdt.co.uk/jongen-lazzari-hyperion-romantic-violin-concerto-18.html (http://www.mdt.co.uk/jongen-lazzari-hyperion-romantic-violin-concerto-18.html)
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 05 January 2015, 07:22
The Jongen/Lazzari CD is one of the best in the RVC series. Two outstanding features: absolutely outstanding playing from Philippe Graffin and superlative support from Martyn Brabbins and the Royal Flemish Philharmonic (of Antwerp). Brabbins must be one of our finest conductors these days. Nothing he does is ever routine - and he's a great advocate of the unsung repertoire.

The music itself is richly - and I mean richly - enjoyable. With Jongen's VC I suppose the debt to Franck is obvious, although Wagner looms everywhere too. However, somehow Jongen manages to make the idiom his own. I can't think of many VCs that sound like Jongen's, i.e. that pit the soloist against a quasi-Wagnerian orchestra with all the stops pulled out (as it were!)

Anyway, more comments as I audition the remainder of the programme. But do buy the CD...

Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 11 January 2015, 09:27
Whilst the performances and production values are indeed of the highest standard, I'm afraid that most of the music on this recording came as a big disappointment. The central Andante of Jongen's Concerto has its fair share of lyrical melancholy, and the Animé finale is perky enough, but I don't think either is in any way remarkable. They certainly don't repair the damage done by the episodic, rambling opening Allegro which, despite its huff and puff, goes nowhere. Ysaÿe knew what he was about when (according to the booklet) he ignored the piece, despite it being dedicated to him. Both of Jongen's shorter works and Lazzari's Rapsodie also meander on self-indulgently. The debt of both men to Wagner and Richard Strauss is clear in their harmonic language and richly impressive orchestration, but neither seem capable of producing material with any melodic distinction, and I think that's why in the end I just got bored. The violin is perhaps the instrument which comes closest to the voice, and in the romantic repertoire strong melody is particularly important in solo writing for it, I think. Remove that and you're just left with sound. Grand sound, to be sure, but background music without any lasting appeal.

All that said, given the praise and excitement which the CD has generated from others whom I respect, I'm very happy to accept that it's my loss and that I'm in a minority of one. On a brighter note, I see that Hyperion heeded my warning and replaced the booklet's photo of Guilmant with one of Jongen. Not that they thanked me...
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 11 January 2015, 10:58
I understand all that you say, Mark - I suspect it's just that I like the idiom rather more than you do. But I certainly wouldn't make any great claims for the VC. I do think the performance is a fine one, though...
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: mjkFendrich on Sunday 11 January 2015, 11:01
Being a violin afficionado myself - not as excessive as our member 'violinoncerto' - I am afraid that
I have to agree with every word Mark Thomas has just written.

Jongen has composed much wonderful music, especially for piano and for chamber ensembles,
and I like his Suite for viola & orchestra very much, but his early works for violin & orchestra are
quite dissapointing. The piece I like most from this album ist the Lazzari, but I wouldn't miss it.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 11 January 2015, 15:11
QuoteI like the idiom rather more than you do
You may well be right, Alan. With some honourable exceptions I am no great fan of Franck and his followers, and I suppose Jongen does fall to some degree into that category. Neither do I respond very positively to what I regard as self-indulgent late romantic excess, and so I suppose he's on a hiding to nothing with me. Still, it wouldn't do for us all to like the same, would it?
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 11 January 2015, 15:31
Oh, quite. I'm afraid I'm a sucker for this kind of thing.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: jerfilm on Monday 12 January 2015, 15:56
And again, Mark, wasn't it von Bulow who after hearing a piece by R Strauss said "There's less there than meets the ear"?......

I love VC's - stuff like Karlowicz and Moszkowski and especially the wonderful old Glazunov concerto.  But this one doesn't cut it for me either.

Jerry
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 12 January 2015, 16:02
It simply doesn't have the melodic content of the VCs you mention, Jerry.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: minacciosa on Tuesday 13 January 2015, 02:20
I think it's a fantastic concerto, though certainly a work of a youthful composer and certainly not up to the heights Jongen later reached. I can also tell you that it makes a tremendous impression in concert.

I've not heard the new recorded performance yet (only the excerpts), but will report back once I have.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 13 January 2015, 17:26
A further listen has actually increased my appreciation for this grand concerto. Strangely - or perhaps not - I was often put in mind of Elgar, and certainly of Chausson, but overall I admired its passion much more this time.
Title: Re: Romantic Violin Concerto Vol. 18
Post by: minacciosa on Wednesday 14 January 2015, 04:24
Indeed, the first two movements have a great breadth and expansiveness, yet they do not wander.

Jongen's best piece for violin and orchestra is the Poeme Heroique. I don't know why that was not included. There is no recording of it; I recorded the piano part and played it with myself many times. It's written in Jongen's mature style, and in effect it is like an outgoing cousin to Chausson's Poeme.