In addition to the Piano Concertos listed in the 'RPC-where next' thread there are a number of more modern works which deserve to be commercially recorded-
Richard Arnell: "Sections" for Piano and Orchestra(1967)
Stanley Bate: Piano Concertos Nos.3(1952) and 4(c.1955); the first piano concerto was(I think) withdrawn, there is a fifth, unfinished, concerto
(a performance of No. 3 can be downloaded from this forum)
Alan Bush: Piano Concerto, with baritone and male chorus(1937) (a performance can be downloaded from this forum)
Geoffrey Bush: Piano Concerto(1941)
Arnold Cooke: Piano Concerto(1940) (a performance can be downloaded from this forum)
Peter Racine Fricker: Concerto for Piano and small orchestra(1952) (a performance can be downloaded from this forum).
Iain Hamilton: Piano Concertos Nos.1(1960) and No.2(1987) (both available to download from this forum)
Alun Hoddinott: Piano Concerto No.3(a performance can be downloaded from this forum).
Joseph Holbrooke:Piano Concerto No.2 "L'Orient"(1928)
Gordon Jacob: Concerto for Piano and Strings(1927) and Piano Concerto No.2(1957) (both available to download from this forum).
Kenneth Leighton: Piano Concerto No.2(a performance can be downloaded from this forum).
John McCabe: Piano Concerto No.3 "Dialogues"(1976)
Humphrey Searle: Piano Concertos Nos. 1(1944) and No.2(1955)
Robert Still: Piano Concerto(1970)
William Wordsworth: Piano Concerto(1946) (there are two performances available for download on this forum).
Ruth Gipps' Piano Concerto and Kenneth Leighton's Piano Concerto No.1 have been recorded for cd by Cameo Classics for future release.
Thanks for supplying this valuable supplementary list, Colin: it could be argued that some of these are also written in a late-Romantic or even neo-Romantic idiom.
Certainly, whilst the vintage performances of Stanley Bate's concertos are fascinating to hear, modern recordings are urgently needed (Dutton might oblige us here). The two piano concertos by Gordon Jacob are also available in broadcast performances on this forum, but again it would be great if one of today's pianists could get these works into the recording studio.
There are some (i.e. innumerable) fascinating and supremely valuable broadcasts in your personal collection - and I'm sure that (as with Lyrita in days of old, and Dutton today) many enthusiasts are eagerly looking forward to the onset of your 'release programme'!
;)
Thanks for the reminder that the Jacob concertos can be downloaded here, John. I have downloaded both and then overlooked them :-[
I have corrected my list accordingly.
Similar list of Symphonies and Violin Concertos to follow :)
Added Holbrooke's Piano concerto No.2 "L'Orient" to list above.
Naxos did start to record some British 20thC piano concertos. The series seems to have been dicontinued, I assume they didn't sell.
hrm. I think or thought also that Robert Simpson's piano concerto was recorded on Arte Nova but apparently not... (wait. what happened to Ogdon's recording of it?)
Robert Simpson's Piano Concerto was issued by Carlton Classics in 1996 on their short-lived BBC Radio Clasics series. The couplings were Alan Rawsthorne's Piano Concerto no.1 and Concerto for Two Pianos. The performance of the Simpson was by John Ogden and the Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra/Constantin Silvestri from September 1967(the work's second performance).
It needs of course to be recorded again....as does Rubbra's Piano Concerto!!
Yes, the Ogdon CD with Rawsthorne's and Simpson's Piano Concerti was a very fine issue. A pity, that it is out of sale now...
Another unrecorded Piano Concerto is op. 54 by Bernard Stevens. It's a reworking of his concerto op. 26, transforming it into a two movement structure, according to the liner notes of the Marco Polo CD. Surely it would be interesting to compare the two versions.
I take your point about the Stevens, op. 54 but Malcolm MacDonald's cd notes for the Marco Polo release did suggest that the shortening of the op. 26 and the simplification of the piano part was an unsuccessful(indeed almost desperate) attempt by the composer to gain the concerto acceptance in the repertoire. The impression I get from those notes was that the op.54 is no improvement on the original.
Curious a bit about Rubbra's opus 30 piano concerto, actually- have seen a very very small bit of it and I expect one of the recent books on Rubbra has much information on it, but as of now don't even know if it's performable.
Quote from: eschiss1 on Thursday 29 September 2011, 01:42
Curious a bit about Rubbra's opus 30 piano concerto, actually- have seen a very very small bit of it and I expect one of the recent books on Rubbra has much information on it, but as of now don't even know if it's performable.
The only info' in Leo Black's book on Rubbra is that the Piano Concerto, op.30 was withdrawn and remains/ed in manuscript. If still extant I have no idea where it might be.
The whole question of works suppressed by their composer being revived today is an interesting one....but I shall return it to anon. ;D
hrm. Colin (now deceased) was working on something having to do with Rubbra, I think, and may have had manuscripts for it in his garage - kept meaning to write something about him (and his work, and..) after he died and should have and also should have-eh. Long and irrelevant story, but the page from opus 30 he showed me may have been from that. This withdrawn first and possibly fragmentary concerto?... may have had to do with the serial experimentation, very soon dropped, that he told me Rubbra did briefly engage in, also- I seem to recall as much but may have to check what I can find of this.
As to the last, well, it's an interesting and sticky subject.
Quote from: Dundonnell on Monday 26 September 2011, 00:50William Mathias's Piano Concertos Nos 1 and 2 will be released next month on a Somm cd.
(http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2011/Oct11/mathias_PCs_sommcd246.jpg)
This release has today received a positive review by Rob Barnett - http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2011/Oct11/mathias_PCs_sommcd246.htm (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2011/Oct11/mathias_PCs_sommcd246.htm)
:D
Quote from: Albion on Thursday 13 October 2011, 08:03
Quote from: Dundonnell on Monday 26 September 2011, 00:50William Mathias's Piano Concertos Nos 1 and 2 will be released next month on a Somm cd.
(http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2011/Oct11/mathias_PCs_sommcd246.jpg)
This release has today received a positive review by Rob Barnett - http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2011/Oct11/mathias_PCs_sommcd246.htm (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2011/Oct11/mathias_PCs_sommcd246.htm)
:D
CD Review tomorrow c.9.20 Radio 3.
:)
Very atypical stuff. Attractive, though. Well worth a punt, I'd say. Couplings totally inappropriate, however.
Quote from: Alan Howe on Saturday 15 October 2011, 09:26Couplings totally inappropriate, however.
From a purely personal viewpoint I disagree, as both composers are of great interest to me, and it's no worse than putting York Bowen, Alan Bush and Havergal Brian together, or (despite the viola link) putting McEwen's Concerto with Vaughan Williams'
Flos Campi. It's a good chance to expand repertoire and challenge pre-conceptions.
From a marketing viewpoint I think it is pretty astute, designed to interest those who a) are fans of early twentieth-century British music, b) would automatically have to own a world-premiere recording of a substantial hitherto-virtually-unknown Vaughan Williams piece, c) those who are fans of mid-twentieth century British music, d) those who are specifically interested in Welsh music and/or William Mathias in particular, e) those who are interested in Piano Concertos, British or otherwise ...
Quote from: Alan Howe on Saturday 15 October 2011, 09:26Well worth a punt, I'd say.
That'll be several more sales for Somm, then.
;)
Much as I am looking forward to hearing the Vaughan Williams early Fantasy, I had rather hoped that Mark Bebbington would have got around to recording the Cecil Coles piano concerto, which he performed a few years ago now on at least three occasions. Unfortunately I was unable to attend any of the performances but there was some rumour circulating at the time that Somm may be considering a recording but nothing seems to have come of this. This would have been an ideal opportunity and IMHO a more interesting coupling for the VW, although I appreciate that Mathias fans would probably disagree!
Mike Spring (Hyperion) gave the impression that he thought the Coles' concerto would be of questionable quality bearing in mind the composer's age when written, but this opinion was apparently based on assumption as he was also uanble to be present at any of the performances. Hyperion now, though, may be the best option for a future recording as this present potential opportunity has been sadly missed (once again, my apologies to those whose interest extends to later 20th century fare as represented by William Mathias!)
Stylistically, to put the VW together with the two Mathias PCs is, for me, somewhat incongruous, although no more so than with some other issues. It's just that I'll be spending money to buy some toothsome early VW and getting two much later PCs that I don't really want. All a matter of taste, of course, but for me it's a missed opportunity...
That is the same feeling I had (initially) in getting Hans Gal's 2nd Symphony coupled with Schubert's Great C major :)
I'm with Alan on this and my normal solution would be to download the VW track(s) and leave the others, but unfortunately Dutton doesn't seem to have discovered the download market yet.
I should say that the Mathias Piano Concertos are not the last word in rebarbative modernity ;D ;D
(although, of course, I take your point and understand that we all have different tastes :))
Just what is the idiom of the Mathias PCs?
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2011/Oct11/mathias_PCs_sommcd246.htm
Prokofiev. Late Bartok(ie Piano Concerto No.3/Concerto for Orchestra).
Good, I like Prokofiev, especially the concertos (although not so taken with Bartok). I've also really enjoyed making the acquaintance of Mathias' Symphony No.1 (1966) -
(http://www.lyrita.co.uk/covers/SRCD0340.jpg)
- so the Concerto No.2 (1961) is something I'm looking forward to hearing.
:)
Not for me, I'm afraid. I'm with Mark, who's with me, who's....
Ultimately we should, of course, be grateful that the Vaughan Williams has been recorded at all - and all without having to put our own hand into our own pockets to make this happen!
;D
Has Arthur Hinton's piano concerto op.24 (premiered 1905) been recorded? I'm guessing the parts survive or did recently, since it was revived in 2002 by forum member/conductor Christopher Fifield with pianist Dan Franklin Smith, Lambeth Orchestra (http://www.musicweb-international.com/SandH/2002/Apr02/Hinton.htm (http://www.musicweb-international.com/SandH/2002/Apr02/Hinton.htm)) (and the 2-piano score is at a number of libraries). May have been mentioned awhile back...
No recording yet, as far as I know. But interest in it is well and truly alive...
Gerald Finzi worked at a piano concerto which he gave up for his Grand Fantasia and Toccata.
However, the original second movement has been published and recorded as Eclogue op. 10.
In 1994 Jonathan Cook reconstructed the Finale, a lightweight rondo according to Stephen Banfield's Finzi book.
Banfield is convinced that the material is good enough to justify that reconstruction - or should one better say 'realisation'?
He singles out the ending as particularly successful, the head-motif of the Eclogue is being reworked.
There are obviously many sketches for a first movement but according to Banfield it is hardly possible to organise them.
Anyway, I would love to hear this third movement! I don't know if it has been performed and/or if a recording of that performance exists.
Quote from: britishcomposer on Thursday 20 October 2011, 20:39In 1994 Jonathan Cook reconstructed the Finale, a lightweight rondo according to Stephen Banfield's Finzi book.
Anyway, I would love to hear this third movement! I don't know if it has been performed and/or if a recording of that performance exists.
Jonathan Cook's
Towards a Performing Version of the Finzi Piano Concerto was his BA (Hons) dissertation at Oxford - I don't
think that there has been any performance of his realisation.
???
Quote from: Dundonnell on Thursday 29 September 2011, 04:06
Quote from: eschiss1 on Thursday 29 September 2011, 01:42
Curious a bit about Rubbra's opus 30 piano concerto, actually- have seen a very very small bit of it and I expect one of the recent books on Rubbra has much information on it, but as of now don't even know if it's performable.
The only info' in Leo Black's book on Rubbra is that the Piano Concerto, op.30 was withdrawn and remains/ed in manuscript. If still extant I have no idea where it might be.
The most likely place is at the British Library: their Rubbra collection includes
ADD 62587-62662. Music manuscripts of Charles Edmund Rubbra, C.B.E.; 1921-1982, n.d. Mostly autograph. Supplementing Add. 52590, 54386, 57535, 57536. See also Add. 64110-64119. Purchased from the composer, 23 Dec. 1982.
Paper. Seventy-six volumes. Arranged as follows:
A. Orchestral Works: 62587-62612.
B. Concertos, etc.: 62613-62628. C. Keyboard Works and Chamber Music: 62629-62638.
D. Theatre Music: 62639-62642.
E. Choral Works (Accompanied): 62643-62651.
F. Choral Works (Unaccompanied): 62652-62656.
G. Other vocal music: 62657-62661.
H. Sketches: 62662.
:)
Thanks!
(Also re Hinton's concerto, it was performed in Boston March 1908- had forgotten that, though I think I'd seen that.)
Although it was released on LP (EMI) I don't think that Gordon Jacob's fine Piano Concerto ever made it to CD - a great pity.
apparently there were two piano concertos by Gordon Jacob (1927 with strings dedicated to Arthur Benjamin, 1957 with orchestra dedicated to Edith Vogel) but I assume when the LP came out there was only one... neither figures on the Recordings (http://www.gordonjacob.org/recordings.html) page of Gordonjacob.org so am guessing you are probably right.
(The 1954 concertino has been on CD, I do notice... can't even find the recording of the 1927 concerto you're alluding to, actually... :) but that;s because Worldcat is anything but reliable especially if like me one doesn't really know what one's seeking. )
Quote from: eschiss1 on Tuesday 25 October 2011, 18:17
apparently there were two piano concertos by Gordon Jacob (1927 with strings dedicated to Arthur Benjamin, 1957 with orchestra dedicated to Edith Vogel) but I assume when the LP came out there was only one... neither figures on the Recordings (http://www.gordonjacob.org/recordings.html) page of Gordonjacob.org so am guessing you are probably right.
(The 1954 concertino has been on CD, I do notice... can't even find the recording of the 1927 concerto you're alluding to, actually... :) but that;s because Worldcat is anything but reliable especially if like me one doesn't really know what one's seeking. )
The old EMI LP which featured the Jacob was 'Concertos for Phyllis and Cyril' (Sellick and Smith I think - although I may be confusing the latter with an oversized Liberal Democrat MP from the past!) I think that the Cyril of the duo had sadly lost the use of one hand following a stroke and the LP featured concertos for 'three hands'. The Arnold and Bliss concertos, featured on the same LP, have reappeared (more than once) on CD but sadly not the Jacob work, which I remember as tuneful and memorable.
Quote from: eschiss1 on Tuesday 25 October 2011, 18:17apparently there were two piano concertos by Gordon Jacob (1927 with strings dedicated to Arthur Benjamin, 1957 with orchestra dedicated to Edith Vogel)
Broadcasts of both concertos are in the BMB archive, the latter performed by Edith Vogel.
been meaning to download those, thanks for the reminder. And the Gordon Jacob website does say that the dedicatees premiered each work, I think. Thank you.
I have updated my original list to take account of recent commercial releases and recent uploads here :)
My personal addition to this is the Concertstuck for Piano and Orchestra by Albert Ketelby. A fascinating thought! I also have a tape of the Fantasy for Piano and Orchestra by Reginald King (and I see that this work is on YouTube).
.....Ketelby piano concerto? Why is this not recorded? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH
Quote from: HerbieG on Tuesday 01 November 2011, 23:55I also have a tape of the Fantasy for Piano and Orchestra by Reginald King
A recording of this attractive work played by Philip Fowke is in the BMB archive.
:)