I'll certainly be buying this forthcoming CD of Juon's Piano Quintet, Op.44 and Piano Sextet, Op.22:
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/Paul-Juon-1872-1940-Klavierquintett-op-44/hnum/7550352 (http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/Paul-Juon-1872-1940-Klavierquintett-op-44/hnum/7550352)
The Swiss Juon Gesellschaft has announced a forthcoming series by Naxos
dedicated to Juon's orchestral works - commemorating hist 140th birthday.
http://www.juon.org/aktuelles.php (http://www.juon.org/aktuelles.php)
(There are, however, no signs of this on Naxos' own web site.)
Great news! Can't wait for more Juon.
Indeed, great news. Thanks!
Awesome, as the kids nowadays say. Juon was one of my first unsungs. (Along with Huber - a lovely disc of wind music from Discover, way back when.)
Terrific news - a first rate composer.
On the discography page of the Juon Society http://www.juon.org/0.IJGHomePage_en.html (http://www.juon.org/0.IJGHomePage_en.html) it lists a violin concerto recording but there is a big red X indicating it as "unavailable" - the performers are given as Sibylle Tschopp (violin), Stadtorchester Winterthur, N. Carthy (conducting).
So, the obvious question, does anyone know anything more about this recording?
What other orchestral works did he write that have been recorded? I have the Mysteries, Episodes Concertants, and Divertimento...
According to Juon.org the Kammersymphonie is also or has also been available on CD. (According to Worldcat: Zürich : Migros-Genossenschafts-Bund, 2006. Coupled with the Piano Quintet in D minor op.33.) There was also a 78 recording of this work in the 1930s.
Quote from: Christopher on Wednesday 04 July 2012, 02:39
On the discography page of the Juon Society http://www.juon.org/0.IJGHomePage_en.html (http://www.juon.org/0.IJGHomePage_en.html) it lists a violin concerto recording but there is a big red X indicating it as "unavailable" - the performers are given as Sibylle Tschopp (violin), Stadtorchester Winterthur, N. Carthy (conducting).
So, the obvious question, does anyone know anything more about this recording?
A one minute "research" gave the following amazon.com hit....
http://www.amazon.com/Swiss-Violin-Concertos-Sibylle-Tschopp/dp/B0033CU458 (http://www.amazon.com/Swiss-Violin-Concertos-Sibylle-Tschopp/dp/B0033CU458)
For 40 bucks it is yours!
that's still commercially "unavailable"- that's someone reselling it out of their own collection used with Amazon serving as a gobetween. They do that. If they're actually selling it out of their own stock and as an available product, they usually say something like "in stock", not "new" or "used".
you mean "more commercially available" like at this shop?
http://www.sounds-of-switzerland.ch/classic2.html (http://www.sounds-of-switzerland.ch/classic2.html)
...marked as "out of stock" there as well (((
http://www.sounds-of-switzerland.ch/bestellung_order_commande.htm#swissviolin (http://www.sounds-of-switzerland.ch/bestellung_order_commande.htm#swissviolin)
OK, but why not buying the used copy from amazon?
A good idea- sorry, was just nitpicking on a minor point.
Quote from: Christopher on Wednesday 04 July 2012, 02:39
On the discography page of the Juon Society http://www.juon.org/0.IJGHomePage_en.html (http://www.juon.org/0.IJGHomePage_en.html) it lists a violin concerto recording but there is a big red X indicating it as "unavailable" - the performers are given as Sibylle Tschopp (violin), Stadtorchester Winterthur, N. Carthy (conducting).
So, the obvious question, does anyone know anything more about this recording?
What other orchestral works did he write that have been recorded? I have the Mysteries, Episodes Concertants, and Divertimento...
This recording was available through streaming for a time, but apparently no more. It's an interesting work but not among Juon's best. A Juon recording I recommend is the Sono Luminus label's Juon Viola Sonata played by Eliesha Nelson and Glen Inanga. I think it's the best version available of that piece.
I share minacciosa's opinion about a certain weakness of this violin concerto and wouldn't buy that CD for $40.
I've got my own copy some years ago by ordering it from S.Tschopp directly (not much cheaper yet :-). If I remember
correctly, she also told me to have recorded the 3rd concerto for some Swiss radio production - so perhaps any
one might have a copy of it?
Quote from: minacciosa on Wednesday 04 July 2012, 16:51
It's an interesting work but not among Juon's best.
The problem, of course, is that we have very little of Juon's orchestral output on CD. The VC is a very attractive late-Romantic work with a particularly lovely slow movement. However, it's now evidently out of print, so one can only hope that Naxos will include it in their forthcoming Juon series.
Having just listened again to VC2, I have to say that is a really lovely work. The idiom? Well, if you can imagine something between Tchaikovsky and Reger with a special dash of Russian dance music in the finale, you'd be pretty close, I think. Pretty original to my way of thinking - and, by the way, very well done on the CD. Juon was one of my earliest unsung discoveries and I have always thought very highly of him: this VC only confirms my high opinion. For me he's one of those composers - like, say, Taneyev - who has real depth and constantly rewards re-listening. If you can get hold of VC2 second-hand, I'd snap it up...
I'm a big fan of Juon, but the VC played by Tschopp just isn't up to the high standard the composer set with his Episodes Concertantes, or much of his chamber music. Lovely it is, but the material itself is undistinguished. Juon's Mysterium for cello and orchestra is a more arresting work. There is so much great Juon that could be done, but I'm still happy to have this concerto set down for posterity.
Well, VC2 may not be up to the standard of Episodes Concertantes (one of the great unsung works of the early 20th century), but it doesn't have to be. On its own terms it's a gorgeous piece and its material is both memorable and distinguished, in my view.
By the way, what 'great Juon' remains to be done? Do you know the scores?
BTW: I've just noticed that the German distributor "jpc" (owner of the cpo label) sells the
2CD-set with Juon's complete works for piano trio played by the Altenberg trio for only €7.99 !!
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Paul-Juon-1872-1940-Die-Werke-f%FCr-Klaviertrio/hnum/9668223 (http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Paul-Juon-1872-1940-Die-Werke-f%FCr-Klaviertrio/hnum/9668223)
The Altenburg is a great set. Unreservedly recommended for acquisition.
Exciting news! Ever since I discovered his Piano trio No.1 (Op.17?) in a local library (for sale for 80p!), I have loved Juon. The Chamber Symphony is fantastic. I read somewhere that he was considered a link between Tchaikovsky and Stravinsky... not sure about that, but good music none the less. Does anyone know if the Five Pieces for strings Op.16 have been recorded?
The answer to your question is , apparently, not.
Quote from: Leea25 on Friday 06 July 2012, 23:22The Chamber Symphony is fantastic. I read somewhere that he was considered a link between Tchaikovsky and Stravinsky... not sure about that...
Actually, listening to the Kleine Sinfonie I was reminded somewhat of Holst of the
St. Paul Suite. The idiom is similar, IMHO.
Now you mention it, JimL, I suppose there is a similarity - it doesn't quite have the vim and vigour of St Paul's for me, though.
There are supposed to be two versions, and Octet Op.27 and a Chamber Symphony Op.27a (or something similar). Does anyone know if there is actually a version that uses chamber orchestra?
I have now modified my Juon catalogue- http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,3419.msg37610.html#msg37610 (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,3419.msg37610.html#msg37610) -
in an attempt to answer your question.
The Juon website- http://www.juon.org/0.IJGHomePage_en.html (http://www.juon.org/0.IJGHomePage_en.html) - lists the "Kammersinfonie", op.27, available on an MGB (6243) cd, played by members of the Tonhalle-Orchestra, Zurich.
Another source however gives more precise info'.
http://www.musinfo.ch/index.php?content=maske_werke&pers_id=1133&name=Juon&vorname=Paul (http://www.musinfo.ch/index.php?content=maske_werke&pers_id=1133&name=Juon&vorname=Paul) states that the Kammersinfonie for oboe, clarinet, bassoon, horn, piano and string orchestra is the opus 27 while the version for septet(oboe, clarinet, bassoon, horn, violin, viola, cello) and piano is the opus 27A.
Quote from: Dundonnell on Saturday 07 July 2012, 20:37
The Juon website- http://www.juon.org/0.IJGHomePage_en.html (http://www.juon.org/0.IJGHomePage_en.html) - lists the "Kammersinfonie", op.27, available on an MGB (6243) cd, played by the Mitglieder Tonhalle-Orchestra, Zurich.
"Mitglieder Tonhalle-Orchestra, Zürich" means
members of the Tonhalle Orchestra!
How kind of you to point that out, Alan :)
I was only briefly at home at the time and did not have the time to check the meaning of the word.
I don't know how easy it would have been to check since it's one of those fun German compound words, I think (starting with mit- with ...) and translator programs just love those. (Mit- with, Glied- member - er- plural, I think... - I had to look up "Glied" just now but that part -was- easy enough at least so long as I looked it up in the singular. *g*)
Quote from: Dundonnell on Sunday 08 July 2012, 01:49
How kind of you to point that out, Alan :)
I was only briefly at home at the time and did not have the time to check the meaning of the word.
You are welcome, I'm sure.
Thank you all! :)
Hasn't he written 3 Violin concertos? are they in pipeline?
Hi,
You can listen to Juon's 2nd Violin Concerto at this website:
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/culture/Swiss_Violin_Concertos.html?cid=31813852 (http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/culture/Swiss_Violin_Concertos.html?cid=31813852)
Regards,
Robert
Listening to Juon's 2nd Violin Concerto again after a couple of years I find it much more beautiful and engaging than I did formerly. My introduction to Juon was Episodes Concertantes, which is a very intense work; perhaps I've (wrongly) expected his other works to reflect that character. I do find his chamber music to be excellent. With proper exposure Juon could be a household name, but that's unlikely to happen in America.
Quote from: eschiss1 on Sunday 08 July 2012, 02:00
I don't know how easy it would have been to check since it's one of those fun German compound words, I think (starting with mit- with ...) and translator programs just love those.
The answer, Eric, is that it is dead simple. Try using Linguee:
http://www.linguee.com/english-german/search?source=auto&query=Mitglieder (http://www.linguee.com/english-german/search?source=auto&query=Mitglieder)
Thanks indeed!
It's the best resource for me as a professional translator on the web.
I still see no sign of the Juon orchestral CDs on the Naxos web site ???. Does anybody know when (or if :-\) these CDs will be released?
No news yet. Guess we'll just have to be patient and wait. You could try contacting Naxos to find out...
The conductor in the Juon/Naxos project is Christof Escher:
http://www.interclassics.ch/Christof-Escher-conductor.html (http://www.interclassics.ch/Christof-Escher-conductor.html)
No news as yet about when the recordings might be released, unfortunately.
Might I return to this almost deceased thread? Is anyone any wiser on the issue?
In the last few days I've revisited recordings of Juon's 4 String Quartets and 3 Violin Sonatas. Wonderful works, and not for nothing is Juon sometimes called 'the Russian Brahms' (although I dislike these always crude labels because, in this case, both Medtner and Taneyev might also with some justice have the same label attached to them. But no matter, and that's not the point of my post.)
Looking along my rather bulging shelves I have a considerable number of Juon's chamber works (and each time I hear them my admiration and enthusiasm for Juon are renewed). The chamber works account for very approximately one third of his 99 opus numbers. There is a reasonable amount of works for piano (which I confess I don't know), and a mere handful of vocal works. As far as I know there aren't any large scale choral works, operas or whatever.
And thus (again approximately) another third of those 99 opus numbers are for orchestra, including 2 symphonies, 3 violin concertos, orchestral suites, symphonic poems etc.
But do we ever hear them? And are they ever recorded? I can't answer the first question because I don't know what happens elsewhere in the world. As for the second question, the answer is 'hardly ever'.
And that I find rather odd. Given my obstinate preference for chamber over orchestral music I'm often in the position, when it comes to composers largely in the 'unsung romantic' category, of being a little dismayed by having available recordings (and sometimes at least one) of key orchestral works and hardly any of their chamber works. With Juon it is almost the reverse: just about all the principal chamber works have recordings (and if you hunt around a bit even second or third recordings), but of the orchestral works we have hardly anything. An anomaly! Are the orchestral works (and especially those 3 violin concertos) duds or no good at all? I can't for a moment believe that. So why the neglect of Juon's orchestral works in concert hall and recording studio? And, to get back to the question of the thread, wouldn't a Naxos series of recordings be almost like manna from heaven?