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Title: Albeniz Concierto fantastico
Post by: JimL on Sunday 19 August 2012, 06:51
I'm looking over the score right now from IMSLP.  Apparently the movement listing is a little different from the download:

1. Allegro ma non troppo
2. Reverie et Scherzo: Andante - Presto
3. Allegro

There seem to be several episodes in different tempi in each movement.  The key of the work is A minor. 

Thanks, Dave.  I've wanted this work for years.
Title: Re: Albeniz Concierto fantastico
Post by: semloh on Sunday 19 August 2012, 08:27
Thank you, Amphissa, for giving us this concerto!  :)

It used to be available on a Turnabout LP, which my wife and I bought in England when we first got engaged, some 40 years ago. We loved its dramatic orchestral opening and the flow into that gentle romantic piano section. It's available on CD of course, but the version I have (ValenciaSO/Galduf) is too slow for my taste, with that beautiful melody (after c. 4.00 mins) for solo piano brought almost to a standstill. In any case, nothing quite has the same significance for me as that old LP version!  ;)

What a pity that the 2nd Piano Concerto was unfinished! I wonder in what state it was left and whether there is enough for it ever to be finished/reconstructed (though I know not everyone approves of such things!).
Title: Re: Albeniz Concierto fantastico
Post by: TerraEpon on Sunday 19 August 2012, 18:56
There's a couple of readily available discs with the piece:
http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/albumList.jsp?name_id1=138&name_role1=1&comp_id=22730&bcorder=15 (http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/albumList.jsp?name_id1=138&name_role1=1&comp_id=22730&bcorder=15)

Title: Re: Albeniz Concierto fantastico
Post by: JimL on Sunday 19 August 2012, 19:15
Didn't de Laroccha record it for EMI (London) on LP decades ago?
Title: Re: Albeniz Concierto fantastico
Post by: semloh on Sunday 19 August 2012, 23:03
Quote from: JimL on Sunday 19 August 2012, 19:15
Didn't de Laroccha record it for EMI (London) on LP decades ago?

Sounds familiar, Jim, but according to her discography at
http://larrocha-discography.blogspot.com.au/p/composer-index.html
... she hasn't recorded the concerto  :o

My Turnabout LP (nowadays readily available through e-bay) has Felicja Blumental as soloist.

I've had no success trying to find out about the 2nd PC. :(
Title: Re: Albeniz Concierto fantastico
Post by: Amphissa on Sunday 19 August 2012, 23:43

My primary computer is out of operation right now as I put it through major upgrades, so I don't have access to my music collection. Not sure what else I've got by Albeniz that is suitable for upload. I'll get back to it next week.

Title: Re: Albeniz Concierto fantastico
Post by: X. Trapnel on Sunday 19 August 2012, 23:51
The Blumenthal recording is paired with the Tavares on CD
Title: Re: Albeniz Concierto fantastico
Post by: febnyc on Sunday 19 August 2012, 23:55
The Albéniz Concierto Fantastico is a fantastic concerto.  It might be included in the Rachmaninoffian-like discussion, except that after a while it sounds more Brahmsian.  At any rate it should not be missed.

I have the Tavares/Albéniz CD (Blumenthal) and it is a stunner.
Title: Re: Albeniz Concierto fantastico
Post by: TerraEpon on Monday 20 August 2012, 06:55
Quote from: JimL on Sunday 19 August 2012, 19:15
Didn't de Laroccha record it for EMI (London) on LP decades ago?

You're probably thinking of Rapsodia Espanola
Title: Re: Albeniz Concierto fantastico
Post by: JimL on Monday 20 August 2012, 07:00
Brahmsian?  Oh, heavens, no!  Well, OK, maybe in technical aspects of the piano writing and some of the orchestration.  The main thing that came to mind for me was the relationship between the themes in the different movements.  I need to give it a few more listens, but I believe this is a spectacular example of Lisztian cyclic thematic transformation.  Certainly the opening gesture returns at the beginning of the finale, but I believe the main theme of the finale is also a rhythmically transformed version of the more lyrical first movement material.
Title: Re: Albeniz Concierto fantastico
Post by: Lionel Harrsion on Monday 20 August 2012, 18:51
Quote from: JimL on Monday 20 August 2012, 07:00
Brahmsian?  Oh, heavens, no!
Well I agree with that for sure, Jim.  I admit to not knowing the music of Albeniz in depth; as a student, I used to play Triana and some of the Cantos de Espana (until I heard Alicia de Larrocha play them, which confronted me with my limitations as a pianist!) but I found this Concerto really interesting.  It's charming, of course but it doesn't have the depth and spirituality (nor the delicacy) of his Albeniz's later works.  The thematic passage-work in the first movement reminds me of no-one so much as the Chopin of the early concerted pieces (the Variations on La ci darem la mano, the Fantasia on Polish Airs and the op 14 Krakoviak Concert Rondo).  It's none the worse for that, of course, but if I'd listened to it blind I very much doubt whether I'd have guessed the composer.
Title: Re: Albeniz Concierto fantastico
Post by: JimL on Monday 20 August 2012, 19:50
I remember reading liner notes of one of those old LPs that said that the typical Spanish exoticism of Albeniz' later works is somehow lacking in this one.  I beg to differ somewhat.  I find it almost immediately in the modal and rhythmic flavor of the opening statement, and particularly in the repeated note figuration of the second subject.  Although 'Chopinesque' does more accurately describe the piano writing, certainly moreso than 'Brahmsian' or 'Lisztian'.  The thematic transformation is still reminiscent of Liszt, however.
Title: Re: Albeniz Concierto fantastico
Post by: Lionel Harrsion on Monday 20 August 2012, 20:10
Quote from: JimL on Monday 20 August 2012, 19:50
The thematic transformation is still reminiscent of Liszt, however.
Oh yes, I totally agree with that.  I also agree that there is a Spanish flavour to it but maybe it's just not as 'picante' as in the later works!
Title: Re: Albeniz Concierto fantastico
Post by: JimL on Monday 20 August 2012, 20:56
Quote from: Lionel Harrsion on Monday 20 August 2012, 18:51...I found this Concerto really interesting.  It's charming, of course but it doesn't have the depth and spirituality (nor the delicacy) of his Albeniz's later works.  The thematic passage-work in the first movement reminds me of no-one so much as the Chopin of the early concerted pieces (the Variations on La ci darem la mano, the Fantasia on Polish Airs and the op 14 Krakoviak Concert Rondo).  It's none the worse for that, of course, but if I'd listened to it blind I very much doubt whether I'd have guessed the composer.
Concertos in this period weren't particularly noted for depth and spirituality.  They were, as it were, more 'fun' works.  Even the drama was more extroverted, somehow.  Depth and spirituality were plumbed more in symphonies/orchestral works and solo piano/chamber music.  That is why so many concertos from the middle-late 19th Century are such wild romps (including this one).  The social conventions for the concerto were different.
Title: Re: Albeniz Concierto fantastico
Post by: Lionel Harrsion on Monday 20 August 2012, 21:18
Very true, Jim.  Maybe I was just expecting it to sound a bit more like Albeniz than it actually does.
Title: Re: Albeniz Concierto fantastico
Post by: JimL on Monday 20 August 2012, 21:31
I would also suggest that despite its relatively high opus number it might be an early work, composed before his mature style had developed.  Pianist/composers often withheld their 'touring' concertos from publication for quite a while during this period.
Title: Re: Albeniz Concierto fantastico
Post by: semloh on Tuesday 21 August 2012, 00:00
The Wiki entry locates it as 1885-87, the 'middle period', of which it says:

During the late 1880s, the strong influence of Spanish style is evident in Albéniz's music. In 1883 Isaac Albéniz met the teacher and composer Felipe Pedrell. Pedrell was a leading figure in the development of nationalist Spanish music. Gilbert Chase, in his book The Music of Spain, describes Pedrell's influence on Albéniz: "What Albéniz derived from Pedrell was above all a spiritual orientation, the realization of the wonderful values inherent in Spanish music"[page needed]. Felipe Pedrell inspired Isaac Albéniz to write Spanish music such as the Suite española, Op. 47 noted for its delicate, intricate melody and abrupt dynamic changes.

Interesting, I thought, given the kind upload of that entertaining symphonic prelude by Pedrell a few days ago by rbert12. :)
Title: Re: Albeniz Concierto fantastico
Post by: giles.enders on Tuesday 28 August 2012, 14:44
I had always understood that the original orchestration for the Concierto Fantastico in A Op.78 was lost and that it was re.orchestrated by Trayler.
The second piano concerto referred to was composed around 1892 and never completed.  It is in E flat and the MS is in The Bibliotecca de Catalunya, Barcelona.
The Rhapsodia Espanol  Op.70 was orchestrated in 1911 by Enescu and in the 1950's by Halffler.  I believe others have also had a go at the orchestration.
Title: Re: Albeniz Concierto fantastico
Post by: JimL on Tuesday 28 August 2012, 15:19
Quote from: giles.enders on Tuesday 28 August 2012, 14:44
I had always understood that the original orchestration for the Concierto Fantastico in A Op.78 was lost and that it was re.orchestrated by Trayler.
If so that's a shame.  It would have been nice to hear an original orchestration by the composer.  Maybe there's a MS lying around undiscovered someplace.  Somebody oughtta put out an APB... ;D