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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: Peter1953 on Sunday 09 February 2014, 16:08

Title: Dora Pejačević’s complete solo piano works from cpo – a future release
Post by: Peter1953 on Sunday 09 February 2014, 16:08
According to the booklet notes included in the 3 CD box Complete Piano Works by Heinrich & Elisabeth von Herzogenberg (which has given me so much listening pleasure so far) in 2013 the pianist Nataša Veljković has recorded for cpo the complete solo piano works by Dora Pejačević.
I think this will be a release to look forward to.
Title: Re: Dora Pejačević’s complete solo piano works from cpo – a future release
Post by: eternalorphea on Sunday 26 October 2014, 10:51

And Serbian pianist Aleksandar Madžar her piano concerto?
Title: Re: Dora Pejačević’s complete solo piano works from cpo – a future release
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 26 October 2014, 12:29
If anyone's heard/has the earlier recordings- on Nova Classics of Vienna (a violin sonata, cello sonata, the piano concerto) and others (Jugoton of Zagreb recordings of her chamber music (including various piano works, 1982 LP - notturnos op.50, plus opp. 32a&b, opp.54 a&b, capriccio op.47, + piano quintet) and 2 intermezzi for piano solo (multi-composer collection, 1980 LP)) - and could compare with the various recent recordings (of the piano quintet, of the piano works once released, etc.) - appreciated :)!
Title: Re: Dora Pejačević’s complete solo piano works from cpo – a future release
Post by: eternalorphea on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 11:12
Nataša Veljković (who recorded Pejačević's solo piano compositions for CPO) is having an all-Pejačević piano recital on 18th November 2014. Hope it will be recorded and broadcasted on the radio..
http://www.oebv.com/aktiv/2014/konzert.html (http://www.oebv.com/aktiv/2014/konzert.html)
Dora Pejačević (1885-1923)
Klaviersonate Nr. 1, Op. 36, b-Moll
Nocturno Nr. 1, Op. 50
Zwei Klavierskizzen, Op. 44 (An Dich! Vor Deinem Bild!)
Caprice, Op. 54 (b)
Blütenwirbel, Op. 45
Nocturno Nr. 2, Op. 50
Klaviersonate Nr. 2, Op. 57
Title: Re: Dora Pejačević’s complete solo piano works from cpo – a future release
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 16:24
Does anyone know, please, if there is a modern recording planned (or, indeed, currently available) of her piano concerto?
Title: Re: Dora Pejačević’s complete solo piano works from cpo – a future release
Post by: mjkFendrich on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 17:09
There should come a modern recording from cpo - I haven't got any details about this.
You can find a pretty good live version from 11/2013 with soloist Martina Filjak on YT
(the orchestra is not in top form):

   http://youtu.be/1c-BXU8OvMg (http://youtu.be/1c-BXU8OvMg)

(I guess it is the channel our member eternalorphea).

Then there exists a recording by Pavica Gvozdic, piano; Symphony Orchestra of Croatian Radiotelevision, conductor Mladen Tarbuk
(I don't know anything about the recording date), here the orchestra is better, but the soloist isn't as inspired as Martina Filjak.
Title: Re: Dora Pejačević’s complete solo piano works from cpo – a future release
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 17:19
Thank you very much.
Title: Re: Dora Pejačević’s complete solo piano works from cpo – a future release
Post by: eternalorphea on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 19:50
From pianist Hans Joerg (Jörg) Fink's web-site

Radioaufnahmen: Scott Joplin, 20 Ragtimes, zum Teil 4-händig mit Gerard Wyss (DRS 2); Rober Suter, Sonate; Robert Schumann, Sonate fis-moll; Dora Pejacevic, Klavierkonzert; J.S.Bach, Klavierkonzerte (mit Chamber Symphony Basel); Lieder und Duette mit Brigitte Balley und Antoinette Faes; Friedrich Kuhlau, Sonate mit Flöte; Werke von Schumann, Brahms, Weber und Kelterborn mir Fabio di Casola. Hans Joerg Fink gewidmete Werke für Klavier solo von Julia Schwartz u. Frederic Bolli; Gion Antoni Derungs, Trio op. 159; Johannes Brahms, Trio op. 114 (mit Avalon Trio - Radio Rumantsch Chur). Zahlreiche Werke für Saxophon und Klavier mit Iwan Roth und Marcos Weiss.
Title: Re: Dora Pejačević’s complete solo piano works from cpo – a future release
Post by: mjkFendrich on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 20:17
... and there is - of course - Sigrid Trummer's recording of the PC on the CD 'Frauentöne vol.1'

(http://www.sigridtrummer.com/Bilder/cover_Frauentoene_1.JPG)

released by RE NOVA CLASSICS (RNC 990909). I've listened to some excerpts of this
interpretation on YT (from one of Corentin Boissier's channels), but haven't been pleased.   
Title: Re: Dora Pejačević’s complete solo piano works from cpo – a future release
Post by: britishcomposer on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 20:20
The CD is difficult to obtain. A couple of years ago I emailed to the label's manager, Andreas Zadeyan. He told me that the CD is available directly from him at 29 Euros including package and posting. His email-address is: office@renovaclassics.com

Moreover Volker Banfield told me that he wasn't much impressed by the Concerto. According to him it did not belong to Pejacevic's best works. He explained that you wouldn't do a favour to an unsung composers to record every piece regardless of its quality. Therefore I suppose that he is not cpo's candidate for a recording of the concerto.
Title: Re: Dora Pejačević’s complete solo piano works from cpo – a future release
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 20:57
Having listened to the YouTube performance I must say I find this concerto really lovely. I would happily pay good money for a fine modern performance/recording of it. IMHO it should be on Hyperion's list.
Title: Re: Dora Pejačević’s complete solo piano works from cpo – a future release
Post by: eternalorphea on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 21:12
Volker Banfield was just jelause that CPO had a deal with the MIC (Croatian music informations center) about who is going to play what. Two Serbian/former Yugoslav pianists (Aleksandar Madžar, Nataša Veljković), who are good old friends or acquiantances with some members of the Croatian music elite in Zagreb.

Students of Arbo Valdma: Jasminka Stančul, Rita Kinka, Nataša Veljković, Aleksandar Madžar, Zoltan Peter, Đorđe Milojković, Vladimir Valjarević, Dorian Leljak, Dejan Sinadinović, and many others..
Title: Re: Dora Pejačević’s complete solo piano works from cpo – a future release
Post by: britishcomposer on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 21:29
eternalorphea: when has this deal between cpo and the Croatian MIC been settled? My email-conversation with Mr Banfield happened about three years ago. I wouldn't like to accuse him of jelousy prematurely.
Title: Re: Dora Pejačević’s complete solo piano works from cpo – a future release
Post by: eternalorphea on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 21:48
I don't see where the problem is; anyhow, both Veljković and Madžar are better pianists than Benfield (judging by their performances).. The Dora Pejačević project was initiated, led in cooperation with and partially financed by the MIC. Additional support/influence came from Austria, where Pejačević's son count Theodor von Lumbe and some other noble relatives live. You really believe in fairytales, don't you? e. g. CPO heard of some Pejačević balkan princess/music fairy/whatever, and readily decided to play record publish her complete legacy
Title: Re: Dora Pejačević’s complete solo piano works from cpo – a future release
Post by: britishcomposer on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 22:03
I am sorry. I did not want to challenge your statements. Nor did I want to defend Mr Banfield whom I don't know personally apart from our short email contact. I just wanted to be sure that we don't impute jelousy to him without any proofs.
Title: Re: Dora Pejačević’s complete solo piano works from cpo – a future release
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 22:05
Before this becomes acrimonious, I'm sure we all appreciate that record companies can't (and don't) record the music of relatively unknown composers simply because the CEO, or whoever, likes a piece of music he has heard. Certainly hard-headed commercial decisions have to be made and money has to be found from somewhere, but, that said, I am constantly surprised at the adventurousness of some labels at taking a punt on the sort of music discussed and enthused over on this forum. We are EXTREMELY lucky, as I constantly remind people. The amazing thing is that these companies persist in finding ways of doing it, even when there are obvious duds (like Ilsebill - v. boring IMHO). If Volker Banfeld doesn't care for the Pejacevic PC, that's fine - he is entitled to his opinion. Clearly, others disagree. A lot of people consider Herz and Kalkbrenner to be meretricious rubbish. Howard Shelley doesn't - and we are grateful to him (well, I am, certainly). Just listen to the YouTube performance - if you like it as I did, fine. If not, that's fine too.
Title: Re: Dora Pejačević’s complete solo piano works from cpo – a future release
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 22:11
Gareth is right.
And let's cool the temperature of this debate, please.
Title: Re: Dora Pejačević’s complete solo piano works from cpo – a future release
Post by: eternalorphea on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 22:42
Thank you Britishcomposer on your friendly responce to my impulsive one.. same goes to you other guys :)

I don't care is someone's entiteled to his opinion he can't decently reason, just low kicks and bulls*it. Many man and woman in menopause dont like Rachmaninoffs concerto, but dont have the balls to say so

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I think you get the point, what happens when it comes to promoting dead national composers.. -> usually nothing :>
Title: Re: Dora Pejačević’s complete solo piano works from cpo – a future release
Post by: eternalorphea on Wednesday 29 October 2014, 23:25
Me back again, have some buisiness to do, so I check in every now and then

Today's people are the society of spectacle, just wnt surprises and ta-ta-ta-taaaa fanfares. Everything that doesnt require spiritual engagement's wellcome: ''W** thought Volker, why three movements, its so conventional''. Where did the good people go? (from the song I often hear on the radio).. I'm not obsessed with Dora P., nor is her biographer Koraljka Kos, but we do indentify with the oneness of that piano concerto with nature which was her prime inspiration at the time alongside sentimental and reflective poetry of few german and novels from scandinavia authors she called brothers by spirit or supraman-individuals (F. Nietzsche), jugendstil youth cult I guess, before her music took a sharp turn during WWI, and she turned into herself (introverted)
Title: Re: Dora Pejačević’s complete solo piano works from cpo – a future release
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 30 October 2014, 00:49
Rachmaninoff's 2nd & 3rd concertos (I assume you don't mean the 1st and 4th, in their last or especially their almost-never-played earlier versions?) They're quite fine, but even better if- like much else - played with a more reasonable frequency - not all the time... no argument there.

Ms. Filjak can be heard in some other repertoire online also - e.g. @ the website of the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum of Boston, Massachusetts, USA (which like some other places tapes its concerts and makes them available online at their website for free/creative commons-distributed, if you don't already know. IMSLP redistributes those which it can (where the works are themselves out of copyright, etc.) including a performance of Ms. Filjak of the Prokofiev 2nd sonata, etc.))

So. With this upcoming release of Ms. Pejačević's solo piano music and hopefully her piano concerto, and earlier recent CDs of many of her chamber works (on several cpo CDs), lieder (2012), symphony and fantasia concertante, on fairly widely distributed labels (cpo mostly) and mostly downloadable (I mean legally @iTunes or similar) too, rather than, e.g., on limited-distribution CDs and LPs only (though that's a step up from no recordings, as with many composers, agreed...) - what major or even somewhat less-major works of hers (that aren't lost) remain to be recorded by cpo (or etc.) should they choose to do so?
Title: Re: Dora Pejačević’s complete solo piano works from cpo – a future release
Post by: eternalorphea on Thursday 30 October 2014, 11:36
Ouverture for grand orchestra; Nocturne for orchestra (?! if somebody would ask CPO about this work); Songs for deep female voice and orchestra; Piano concerto;

Discarded by CPO are (probably all of these):
Rêverie for violin and piano, op. 3 (1897);
Piano Trio No.1 Op.15 (1902);
Three childrens' songs, for voice and piano, Op.56
(text: Zmaj Jovan Jovanović) (1921)
Majčica, moj anđeo (Mommy, my angel)
Dijete i baka (Child and grandmother)
Mali Radojica (Little Radojica);
Ave Maria, for voice, violin and organ, Op.16 (1903)