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Title: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 30 April 2015, 08:05
...forthcoming from Toccata:
http://www.mdt.co.uk/o-brien-charles-complete-orchestral-1-paul-mann-toccata-classics.html (http://www.mdt.co.uk/o-brien-charles-complete-orchestral-1-paul-mann-toccata-classics.html)
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 30 April 2015, 08:24
How interesting. The selection of his piano music already available from Toccata, which includes a Piano Sonata, reveals a composer of thoroughly romantic spirit.
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 30 April 2015, 10:37
Here's the blurb:

O'Brien's Symphony in F minor (1922) is a full-scale Romantic score in the tradition of Mendelssohn and Brahms, powerful and lyrical by turn. His music also shows an awareness of Elgar, but it has an individual Scottish quality of its own. It is coupled here with his heartening, Walter Scott-inspired overture Ellangowan, resplendent with a big Scottish tune which lingers in the memory.
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: sdtom on Thursday 30 April 2015, 15:26
I wonder when this release will be available? I'm already intrigued.
Tom
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 30 April 2015, 15:42
1st June in the UK.
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: semloh on Thursday 30 April 2015, 22:22
Another for the 'wants' list!  ::)
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Thursday 30 April 2015, 22:28
I knew O'Brien's son, David, slightly for a short time. We worked together on a short musical he had written. He told me then about his father's symphony, of which he thought highly (and not just because he was his son). I am very pleased that it has now been recorded.
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 08 May 2015, 07:46
Excerpts here:
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/orchesterwerke-vol-1/hnum/7476941 (https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/orchesterwerke-vol-1/hnum/7476941)
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 08 May 2015, 08:08
Nothing there to frighten the horses, by the sound of it. A definite buy for me, although not with any real hope of hearing a lost masterpiece.
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 08 May 2015, 09:54
Yes, that sounds about right.
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: sdtom on Friday 08 May 2015, 15:21
I think that I'll wait to get the CD and have a good couple of listens before I pass judgment.
Tom :)
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 08 May 2015, 16:04
Oh, I wasn't really passing judgement, Tom, just airing my suspicions.
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 08 May 2015, 18:49
Well, "frightening the horses" is usually not considered a compliment on this forum.
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 08 May 2015, 21:01
But "nothing there to frighten the horses" is actually an expression of relief that the music is likely to be perfectly acceptable on this forum.
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: JimL on Friday 08 May 2015, 21:15
"Blücher!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqcE3gb9mBM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqcE3gb9mBM)
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 08 May 2015, 21:30
...which is precisely what the O'Brien Symphony won't do! Mark is 100% right.
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 01 June 2015, 18:48
Announced in the latest Records International (http://www.recordsinternational.com/cd.php?cd=06Q001) catalog.
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 04 June 2015, 12:32
There is some very attractive music in the two works on this recording. The first thing to say is that although the Overture was written in 1912 and the Symphony ten years later, there is absolutely nothing in either which would have seemed out of place in the 1880s. They are both written in a thoroughly romantic idiom. The Ellangowan Overture is unmistakeably, and refreshingly, Scottish in its colouring - you'll instantly be reminded of Hamish MacCunn's Land of the Mountain and the Flood. The famous Scottish "snap" is everywhere in evidence and O'Brien's orchestration is masterfully atmospheric throughout. He's no mean melodist either - this is most attractive music. It's clear that O'Brien is following some sort of programme, but he doesn't volunteer it beyond the work's title, which is the name of a house in one of Sir Walter Scott's novels. It's undemanding music, but very enjoyable if you want an 18 minute dose of Scottish colour.

At 45 minutes duration, the Symphony is an expansive work and opens with a dramatic and weighty movement, which remains generally upbeat despite some darker passages. O'Brien's orchestration is still colourful, but appropriately is less individual than in the Overture and that also signals that this is a serious work. It reminded me more than once of the vibrancy of Stanford's orchestration, but his melodic material here, whilst still memorable, doesn't somehow have the immediate attraction of that in the Overture. There's a long repeat too which stretches this opening Con moto moderato e serioso to 16 minutes duration - arguably rather too long to maintain its full impact. That said, the drama is really ramped up towards the end of the piece and the final few pages, with alternating strongly contrasting passages from the brass and the rest of the orchestra, is tremendously effective and exciting. O'Brien follows this with an astonishing contrast: a little lightly-scored Menuetto, which is almost balletic in it's dancing character and interrupted by two trios which still maintain the mood. The melting, sustained lyricism of the slow movement (Andante sostenuto e cantabile) reminded me very much of both Tchaikovsky and Elgar. It's delicately scored, with some atmospheric interplay between the woodwinds, and then a lovely interjection from the horns. Altogether it's a very welcome discovery. The finale is a boisterous affair, but not an empty one, and returns us to the fiercely dramatic world of the first movement, but this time it has an edgier quality and some effectively contrasted material. Once again, the closing pages are really exciting.

The notes quote a reviewer criticising the length of the overture by writing: "About the last thing which any composer learns is the fine art of letting things alone, and Mr O'Brien's principal defect is that he has tried to get a little too much into his score." That's certainly fair comment as far as the overture is concerned, and interestingly O'Brien did write a shorter version in parallel with the one we're given here, which would make for an interesting listen. On the whole, despite the Symphony's ambition, O'Brien manages to sustain it's length pretty well, although I do think that the dramatic impact of the first movement would not have suffered from some judicious editing.

The Liepaja Symphony Orchestra are clearly not a large band, but the weight and sonority which they deliver under Paul Mann belie their numbers. The recording itself is first rate and the booklet notes (again, mostly by Mann) are up to Toccata's usual very high standard. All in all, this is a thoroughly recommendable release and we should be grateful to Martin Anderson not only for this recording, but for the other two planned CDs of O'Brien's orchestral music which are promised.
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: FBerwald on Thursday 04 June 2015, 12:45
Thank you Mark. Most intriguing. Has O'Brien's music been cataloged? Any concertos in his output?
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 04 June 2015, 13:32
According to the booklet notes, his other orchestral music consists of:

Berceuse and Mazurka (1898)
Concert Overture: To Spring Op.4 (1905)
Concert Overture: The Minstrel's Curse Op.7 (1904–5)
Suite Humoristique Op.8 (1905)
Scottish Scenes Op.17 (1915)
Four Orchestral Waltzes Op.26 (c. 1924–25)

If I've interpreted the booklet notes correctly all, bar the Berceuse and Mazurka, will be available on the two further CDs planned by Toccata. It doesn't look as if there are any concertos, no.
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 04 June 2015, 13:39
Assuming we're speaking of Charles Henry Fitzgerald O'Brien, there do seem to be some other works- a piano sonata and a clarinet sonata at least (published in 1914 and 1995 - possibly earlier- respectively)- and some arrangements by him.
Saw a mention of "To Spring" as programmed ca.1919 (in a contemporary journal), but will be nice to hear it too.
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Thursday 04 June 2015, 14:21
The Piano Sonata Op. 14 has already been recorded by Toccata: http://www.toccataclassics.com/composer-cds.php?ID=693 (http://www.toccataclassics.com/composer-cds.php?ID=693), as noted earlier in this thread, but not, as yet the clarinet sonata.
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: edurban on Thursday 04 June 2015, 15:00
Thanks for your description/evaluation, Mark.  Sounds enticing.  Onto the list it goes...

David
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: jerfilm on Thursday 04 June 2015, 17:50
I certainly agree with Mark.  The Symphony is intriguing and a very nice discovery.  The Overture, on the other hand, has nice melodies but after a few minutes, you feel like you're hearing the same Irish tune again and again.  At least that was my feeling.

A recording well worth exploring

Jerry
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: edurban on Friday 05 June 2015, 02:03
Irish tune?

David
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 05 June 2015, 07:50
'Celtic' covers both... ;)
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: jerfilm on Monday 08 June 2015, 12:24
Thanks, Alan.  I didn't say it WAS an Irish tune, I simply said it sounded like one...... 8) 8)

Jerry
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 08 June 2015, 16:53
Quite.
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: sdtom on Tuesday 16 June 2015, 15:25
I received my copy over the weekend but have not yet listened to it enough to make an evaluation. Overall I liked it.
Tom :)
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 18 June 2015, 16:20
I'm liking it too. The Symphony is a very nice, strong work, with plenty of 'guts', written in an idiom clearly derived from Stanford/Brahms, but with a (modestly) more modern cut to the melodies and harmonies. There is a particularly fine, stormy climax beginning around the fourteen-minute mark in the first movement, followed by a terrifically exciting coda.

This is just the sort of thing that Martin Anderson/Toccata Classics do really well. An extremely enjoyable discovery: my listening ears are thoroughly refreshed! Thank you!
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 18 June 2015, 16:30
...oh, and by the way, one shouldn't underestimate the skill of the performers here - the Liepāja Symphony Orchestra from Latvia under their sensitive (British) conductor, Paul Mann. They are absolutely superb - and superbly well recorded too. I defy anyone not to be moved by the quiet, string-led passage beginning at around 8:30 in the slow third movement. Wonderful!
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 18 June 2015, 16:52
Told you you'd like it...  ;)
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 18 June 2015, 16:56
You did. And I do.
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: sdtom on Friday 19 June 2015, 18:27
Another winner for Toccata. I enjoyed the loud exchanges between the strings and horns in the first movement. I also enjoyed his use of the bassoon throughout. While the orchestra seemed a bit thin in spots lacking the fullness the work required other parts didn't reveal the smaller orchestra at all.
Tom :)
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 22 June 2015, 17:56
The symphony is certainly growing on me. I'm sure this is in no small measure due to the skill of conductor Paul Mann. He'd do a fine job on, say, Wilhelm Berger's 2nd Symphony which badly needs recording.
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: DennisS on Thursday 25 June 2015, 11:12
Received my copy of the CD yesterday. Have only so far listened to the Overture as I have not been able to listen to as much music as I usually do. I enjoyed the Scottish melody of the overture which I too found memorable. I personally did not find that the music outstayed its welcome! I will listen to the much more substantial symphony and post my opinion of it in due course. Thanks UC for your recommendation.
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: sdtom on Monday 29 June 2015, 18:52
https://sdtom.wordpress.com/2015/06/29/complete-orchestral-music-volume-onecharles-obrien/ (https://sdtom.wordpress.com/2015/06/29/complete-orchestral-music-volume-onecharles-obrien/)

My review on my blog of the O'Brien CD. I'm now looking forward to getting the Solberg CD. It has not only grown on me but it has pushed its way into my informal top 100.
Tom :)
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: kuula on Tuesday 30 June 2015, 03:49
Based on these comments, I have ordered both the orchestral and piano CDs.  What will Toccata include in a second orchestral CD?
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: sdtom on Tuesday 30 June 2015, 13:42
From what I understand O'Brien wrote some orchestral work between the Ellangowan overture (1909) and his Symphony in F minor (1923). This is the material to be included.
Tom
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Mark Thomas on Tuesday 30 June 2015, 20:28
See my earlier post (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,5613.msg59849.html#msg59849) in this thread.
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: kuula on Tuesday 30 June 2015, 21:06
Vol. 2 of the O'Brien will contain:

·         To Spring: Concert Overture, Op. 4

·         The Minstrel's Curse: Concert Overture, Op. 7

·         Mazurka

·         Berceuse

·         Scottish Scenes, Op. 17

Coming in Spring 2016, same performers
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 30 June 2015, 22:19
Shame there's nothing more substantial...
Title: Re: Charles O'Brien Symphony in F minor
Post by: jerfilm on Thursday 02 July 2015, 00:24
I was thinking the very same thing, Alan.......