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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 09 June 2015, 12:42

Title: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 09 June 2015, 12:42
...is forthcoming from Toccata Classics. The Azusa Pacific University Symphony Orchestra is conducted by Christopher Russell

More info on Damrosch here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_Damrosch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_Damrosch)

And here:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4fgJawIYjHwC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4fgJawIYjHwC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false)
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: Mark Thomas on Tuesday 09 June 2015, 13:40
How interesting...
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 09 June 2015, 16:36
Here's the front cover:

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11219731_10152887479007671_7130227169225850944_n.png?oh=76d50a4968777c596edc7c5302ff14bb&oe=562E6994)
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: Mark Thomas on Tuesday 09 June 2015, 20:04
Is there a release date?
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 09 June 2015, 21:47
Martin's mailing said 'soon'.
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Tuesday 09 June 2015, 21:50
This is particularly exciting news. I have been hoping this work would be recorded by somebody. Damrosch also wrote a Violin Concerto of course, which I would VERY much like to hear.
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 09 June 2015, 22:03
Then there's Walter Damrosch. IMSLP has an a cappella madrigal "Sic vita" (1882) by him- I wonder what else he wrote. Hrm!
Anyhow- looking forward to this too, thanks!
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: Martin Anderson on Tuesday 09 June 2015, 22:24
It's an August release, which means I should have stock by mid-July.
Martin
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 09 June 2015, 22:25
Also, did Leopold Damrosch write one violin concerto or two? (See notes to the IMSLP page here http://imslp.org/wiki/Violin_Concerto_(Damrosch,_Leopold) (http://imslp.org/wiki/Violin_Concerto_(Damrosch,_Leopold)) in D minor (1874) and op.8 (1858) or are those the same piece?... )
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 09 June 2015, 22:38
Martin has very kindly afforded me a sneak pre-release audition. More news tomorrow, but for now all I can say is that I'm absolutely astonished at how advanced the idiom is for 1878. It definitely belongs to the  'New German' camp. A major find, I'd say.
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: izdawiz on Tuesday 09 June 2015, 23:06
Oh Yeah!! I'll receive it !!  8) 
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: vicharris on Wednesday 10 June 2015, 06:27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3ptaUDmSkE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3ptaUDmSkE)

Opera by Walter Damrosch on YouTube
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 10 June 2015, 07:52
Vic, that's by his son Walter.
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 10 June 2015, 11:32
Very interesting notes, Eric. Thank you for drawing my attention to them. I had always thought he wrote only one VC.
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: vicharris on Wednesday 10 June 2015, 13:32
That's why I said "Walter". Eric wondered what Walter wrote.
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 10 June 2015, 14:43
Perhaps we could keep Walter for another, separate thread...
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 10 June 2015, 15:01
To any student of the 19th century symphony, Damrosch's in A major will be an exceptionally interesting find. It's not a great work - for a number of reasons, I think. But it is certainly worth recording.

First, the positives. Outside of Liszt, Bruckner and Draeseke, it's hard to think of any composer of symphonies (loosely defined) who produced an example quite clearly in the New German style so early (1878). The idiom is audibly influenced by Liszt and Wagner (particularly the latter - think the Ring) and also Bruckner (the opening of Damrosch's Symphony) and occasionally wanders into some extremely chromatic territory. The orchestration is sumptuous and the brass writing often thrilling. So, the idiom itself has one scratching one's head to think of anything so advanced.

Now the negatives: the work isn't very distinctive melodically and the writing sometimes seems rather fragmented. The work often has an exploratory feel to it - which may or may not have something to do with the (generally very good) university orchestra on the recording. The strings in particular have a tough time articulating some of the more jagged writing (e.g. in the second-movement scherzo) and their intonation isn't above reproach.

Nevertheless, this is a fascinating score and one can only congratulate the Azusa Pacific University SO and their conductor Christopher Russell on their sense of adventure. This is bound to be one of my finds of the year...
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: sdtom on Wednesday 10 June 2015, 23:01
You have whetted the appetite.
Tom
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 10 June 2015, 23:12
Having listened to the symphony a few more times today, I continue to find it intriguing, although I'm not sure it really coheres. But that may be my fault; in any case it's a mandatory purchase.
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: semloh on Saturday 13 June 2015, 19:53
Thanks for that marvellous review, Alan.  :)
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: Mark Thomas on Saturday 25 July 2015, 10:03
We'll soon be able to hear this potentially ground-breaking work for ourselves - the recording will be released on 7 August, coupled with an Overture and Damrosch's orchestration of Schubert's Marche Militaire. Details here (http://www.toccataclassics.com/cddetail.php?CN=TOCC0261).
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: Mark Thomas on Saturday 08 August 2015, 13:35
I've listened to both the Symphony and the Overture several times now. The Symphony itself is perhaps best described as a heroic failure.

"Heroic" because it is indeed as grand as Alan suggests in his preview. The great Wagnerian gestures are as thrilling as they are effective and and the sonorous Brucknerian writing for the strings and lower winds is tremendously atmospheric. It's not the mature symphony which Wagner never wrote, but it often sounds like it might be.

"Failure" because, although the first movement makes a terrific first impression, ultimately it is way too episodic for the structure to convince. Although so different in so many other ways, I was reminded of Rubinstein's tendency to write in repetitious chunks, and to substitute variation for development. As everywhere else in this chameleon of a work, the writing for the orchestra is superb (as one might expect from a conductor) and it's easy to be seduced by how the Symphony sounds but, if you can ignore the colour and textures and just listen to the notes, this movement is a ramshackle affair which doesn't satisfy because it doesn't really go anywhere or mean anything. The second movement feels rather amateur, I'm afraid. It's the weakest of the four by some way and, even more than the finale, smacks of being written for the sake of it rather than because Damrosch had something to say.

The slow movement by contrast is a real achievement, with passages of Nibelungen grandeur at its start and close. It is an impressive Wagnerian symphonic poem which towers above the other three movements in its impact and its material. There's clearly some sort of underlying narrative, and in a way it's the stronger and more intriguing for us not knowing what it is. I shall certainly return to it and, if that's all of Damrosch's that we had, I'd be standing on street corners singing his praises. For all that the finale holds together OK, and doesn't "chase its tail" as so many unsung symphonic finales do, it is a rather feeble appendage to what goes before and has an almost dutiful air to it. One imagines Damrosch thinking "oh well, I suppose I'll have to write a finale now"! There's no sense of inevitability, or closure, or triumph or even celebration about it - all of which would be appropriate atmospheres to invoke. It's just eight minutes of, admittedly grandly scored, unmemorable music. 

Had Damrosch a stronger melodic facility then I think that he might have got away with this Symphony because its underlying Wagnerisms, coupled with his grand orchestration, create such a terrific first impression. But Damrosch had nothing much to say. It's a work from the head, not the heart, going through the symphonic motions and aping the models of other more sincere symphonists. He has clothed his Symphony in magnificently decorated Wagnerian covers which, with the exception of the slow movement, conceal just blank pages. All that said, I am sure to return to it quite often because it does sound so magnificent and that slow movement is just so good.

The Overture is similarly Wagnerian in its mannerisms and also, unfortunately, in its lack of distinctive melody. But at only 12 minutes it's compact enough to get away with those shortcomings more successfully than does the Symphony.

All credit to Martin Anderson for releasing this issue. Damrosch's Symphony is an important work, for all that it's a significantly flawed one, and I'm very happy to have it in my collection.
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 08 August 2015, 16:56
Compare the Damrosch with, say, Klughardt's 4th and you'll hear the difference in compositional ability.
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 09 September 2015, 22:18
Here's a very fair review:
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2015/Sep/Damrosch_sy_TOCC0261.htm (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2015/Sep/Damrosch_sy_TOCC0261.htm)
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 10 September 2015, 14:39
Interesting the question about Leopold Damrosch and Bruckner's symphonies. His son Frank (1859-1937) was a Bruckner pupil, I notice, but I don't know when, and I don't know if that could have brought his father into contact with his teacher's music... (a few years later - in the 1880s- it was a Damrosch (Walter) who gave the New York- or even US?- premiere of Bruckner's 3rd, I see...)
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: Claude Torres on Thursday 10 September 2015, 15:07
1885 –  American premiere of Bruckner: Symphony No. 3 in d, at the Old Metropolitan Opera House in New York, during an afternoon public rehearsal by the New York Symphony Society, with the 23-year old Walter Damrosch. The "official" concert occurred the following evening. This was the first time any Bruckner Symphony was performed in America. In his Preface to a 1942 book by Werner Wolff entitled "Anton Bruckner: Rustic Genius," Damrosch incorrectly states it was Bruckner's Fourth Symphony (in E-flat Major, subtitled "Romantic") that he performed on Dec. 5, 1885.

from "http://www.yourclassical.org/programs/composers-datebook/episodes/2012/12/04 (http://www.yourclassical.org/programs/composers-datebook/episodes/2012/12/04)"
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 10 September 2015, 17:36
...none of which means that Damrosch didn't know Bruckner's music; however, my guess is that this is a case of parallel development. The root influence is surely Wagner...
Title: Re: Leopold Damrosch Symphony in A (1878)
Post by: herrarte on Friday 11 September 2015, 00:59
Already on emusic if you care to buy it digitally.
http://www.emusic.com/album/azusa-pacific-university-symphony-orchestra/damrosch-orchestral-music/16044200/ (http://www.emusic.com/album/azusa-pacific-university-symphony-orchestra/damrosch-orchestral-music/16044200/)