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Title: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: mikehopf on Wednesday 02 September 2015, 00:46
Having downloaded a CD of Nolck's delightful works for cello and piano,  I was curious to hear his cello concerto available on youtube.

A very lush and  tuneful concerto with notable Spanish influences. Strongly recommended

As professor of cello and piano, Nölck ( 1862 - 1928) composed over three hundred works that included concertos, whims, waltzes, concertina, gavottes, minuets, mazurkas, funeral marches, and the like. However, due to the two World Wars in Germany and political divisions of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, only his works produced in Venezuela have been recovered.

Nölck was part of the Dresden School of cello playing, which included Friedrich Wilhelm Grützmacher, who formed a foundation for the modern school of technique represented by Pablo Casals, Emanuel Feuermann, and others. Nölck's music reflects the Romantic styles of Brahms, Schumann, and Mendelssohn.[1]

Title: Re: August Nolck: Cello Concerto
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 02 September 2015, 01:36
The Cello Concerto is available here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWp0YV6HGV4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWp0YV6HGV4)
Title: Re: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 02 September 2015, 01:47
...it's very pleasant.
Title: Re: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 02 September 2015, 01:51
I'm fairly sure he wrote several cello concertos, of which at least 2 are in A minor- was enough information provided to more definitely identify the work in question than Nölck "cello concerto"?
Title: Re: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 02 September 2015, 08:25
Yes, lush and tuneful certainly, and an enjoyable listen as a result, but also lacking any real individuality. I see that it wasn't actually orchestrated by Nölck, but by Alfredo Rugeles. Maybe that contributes to the anonymity?
Title: Re: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 02 September 2015, 22:03
Ah. Ok, this seems to be his concerto Op.130a (http://imslp.org/wiki/Cello_Concerto,_Op.130a_%28N%C3%B6lck,_August%29) (and note that the video says "No YouTube"? To paraphrase Arthur Dent, this is some new definition of the word "No" with which we were previously unfamiliar.) It might be the concerto by Nölck whose score and parts are @ FLP (no opus number was given), though I don't recall any indication there of orchestration undertaken by other hands. (Not Op.108 which is in D minor, or Op.130b in D (major?), but the FLP one might be one of his student concertos or some other A minor concerto of his... there's also a student concerto for violin in A minor op.246, btw., and that's just to the extent that the definitely incomplete list @ IMSLP lists things...)
Title: Re: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 03 September 2015, 07:55
It's not a great piece, frankly. It's attractive, certainly, but it meanders to no great ultimate effect. Of course, there are very few strong candidates in the category 'Romantic Cello Concerto', but this is substantially lower in quality than the Fitzenhagen concertos (forthcoming from Hyperion). I'm hoping that the Castro CC will be a worthy contender...
Title: Re: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 03 September 2015, 08:22
QuoteI don't recall any indication there of orchestration undertaken by other hands
Eric, I was only taking on trust the notes to the YouTube video. As for the music itself, a second hearing confirms that there are no hidden depths. 
Title: Re: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: Wheesht on Thursday 03 September 2015, 12:45
QuoteI'm afraid it's no great shakes as a piece of music: there are some powerful moments, but they sound rather incongruous in the context of a virtuoso showpiece. Certainly worth recording, but there must be better stuff than this...
Alan, in view of your earlier statement about Fitzenhagen's CC No 2, the Nölck seems hardly worth a thought (or a listen)?
Title: Re: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 03 September 2015, 13:18
My own favorite unsung cello concertos are mostly outside the Romantic orbit (which is not to say that they are anti- or entirely un-Romantic, just that they would be bounced from this forum or the Hyperion series), which may well be compatible with that statement, or may just say that the best unsung Romantic concertos for cello require discovery.

(I need to listen to the 2 Raff concertos again in any case. And to some of those that have been discussed in this forum which I _think_ I've heard- and enjoyed- but may not have even heard yet, e.g. the Reinecke...)
Title: Re: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 03 September 2015, 14:14
Needless to say, Eric, I think that the two Raff cello concertos, and particularly the through-composed First, are amongst the best of the romantic cello concertos which are currently outside the repertoire.
Title: Re: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 03 September 2015, 15:20
Understandably, and I tend to agree. The Moeran and Myaskovsky concertos seem to me to belong in style and also in quality (and aren't sung enough to be disqualified, yet) - but I'd also agree that at this point an old thread is being revisited or a new one should be started :D
Title: Re: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 03 September 2015, 16:52
QuoteAlan, in view of your earlier statement about Fitzenhagen's CC No 2, the Nölck seems hardly worth a thought (or a listen)?

Oh, the Fitzenhagen's pretty minor fare, but the Nölck meanders and meanders. I nearly went to sleep. Worth a listen? Oh, sure. And I'm pleased for anyone who finds more in any of this stuff than me. But, as Mark suggests, there's better stuff than this elsewhere. Raff wrote two fine CCs and, as I said before, I'm hoping that the Castro due out on Sterling will be of a higher compositional quality.
Title: Re: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: mikehopf on Thursday 03 September 2015, 23:35
I've had the Castro Cello Concerto for some years and , indeed, it is available on youtube for those who wish to hear it now.

To my untrained ear it is not half as tuneful as the Nolck. But, those with more musical training and expertise will probably disagree.
Title: Re: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 04 September 2015, 01:33
Thanks for the info re. the Castro CC - I had no idea it was on YouTube. To my ears there's a huge difference between the two pieces: the Castro makes one really sit up and listen, such is the vigour and individuality of its opening movement, whereas the Nölck huffs and puffs to little effect and soon gets lost in virtuoso 'noodling'. The second subject is initially attractive but goes nowhere, and so it continues.

Sorry to disagree, but there we are...

Here's a link to the Castro for those interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfZQG6EW94s&list=RDhfZQG6EW94s#t=72 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfZQG6EW94s&list=RDhfZQG6EW94s#t=72)
Title: Re: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 04 September 2015, 01:41
In fact the YouTube performance originates from this recording whose existence I was completely unaware of:
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/w/209232/Ricardo-Castro-Herrera-Cello-Concerto (http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/w/209232/Ricardo-Castro-Herrera-Cello-Concerto)
Title: Re: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: mikehopf on Friday 04 September 2015, 03:35
There's no disagreement, Alan. Just different perceptions and tastes.

The Nolck is a vigorous virtuoso concerto written by a composer whose instrument was the cello ; whilst the Castro work sounds like it could just as easily be written for  the piano.

Despite its overlong cadenzas in the first movement, the Nolck has a lovely slow movement and an exciting Spanish inspired finale. The Castro doesn't flow very smoothly , it is very bitty , unoriginal and derivative of many mid-century romantic concertos.

OK, neither of the works are great masterpieces and are not in the same league as ,say, the cello concertos of Sullivan; Herbert; Rubinstein, Vieuxtemps; Reinecke and ( yes) Raff.

Title: Re: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 04 September 2015, 09:21
Well, as you can tell, I demur. The Castro may be no masterpiece, but the melodic profile and vigour of the music, especially in the opening movement, are far more gripping than the Nölck. Personally, I'd put the Castro at the top of the second division, whereas the Nölck would be facing relegation from the third...

Good to disagree, though!
Title: Re: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 06 September 2015, 05:49
Among unsung cello concertos, IMSLP now has the full score of one (the D minor, Op.30) of van Goens' concertos and I have to say the opening, anyway, makes me curious. I know his other concerto's been recorded- I haven't heard it. What I see so far looks enough a cut above to be maybe worth a try...
Title: Re: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: mikehopf on Sunday 06 September 2015, 08:13
Van Goens Cello Concerto #1 is available on youtube in two parts. The cellist is Orfeo Mandozzi.
Title: Re: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 06 September 2015, 08:35
Van Goens' CC1 can be heard here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HroQUDhvKw8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HroQUDhvKw8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-f8qkwd_U4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-f8qkwd_U4)
Nice, tuneful stuff.
Title: Re: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: mikehopf on Sunday 06 September 2015, 08:56
Hurrah! We both agree on the merits of the van Goens concerto.

Try the Wilhelm Jeral Cello Concerto Op.10 ( also available on youtube ) if you didn't get it on CD. There's a good short article about the Jeral work  by "gentile" on the UC website from 2010.
Title: Re: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 06 September 2015, 09:43
The van Goens Cello Concerto No.1 is an object lesson in a virtuoso/composer knowing what his audience wants, and knowing his own limitations. It's not a work of genius, but it's a great vehicle for showing off technique, is chock full of easily assimilable melody and colourful orchestration and, crucially, doesn't outstay its welcome. It would have made an immediate, and I'm sure very favourable, impression on audiences. I really enjoyed it for what it was, and will certainly return to it with pleasure. There's a biography of van Goens here (http://cellosonate.nl/en/componist/goens-daniel-van/). The poor chap didn't live that long, and his playing career was curtailed by tuberculosis.
Title: Re: August Nölck: Cello Concerto
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 06 September 2015, 11:25
thank you. (the one I was asking about, I should note, was his concerto no.2 in D minor possibly first published (by Decourcelle of Nice) in 1903; both are in score & parts at FLP, and it was no.2 whose full score (@IMSLP) I was browsing... but I appreciate the opportunity to hear the recording of his concerto no.1.)