Unsung Composers

The Music => Composers & Music => Topic started by: Peter1953 on Saturday 31 July 2010, 08:59

Title: My Favourite Unsung Piano Trio
Post by: Peter1953 on Saturday 31 July 2010, 08:59
If you like the genre, there's so much choice.

My number one is Gernsheim's Piano Trio No. 2 in B major, op. 37 (Arensky Trio on Antes). Right from the start there is a flow of gorgeous, memorable melodies. The second movement is based upon a very sparkling theme. The slow movement presents a heartfelt, beautiful lento. I love this serene movement very much. How silent music can be, and at the same time so deeply felt. The final movement is a stunning allegro, full of energy.
This Piano Trio is Gernsheim at his best. A work all of its own.

What is your favourite, and why?
Title: Re: My Favourite Unsung Piano Trio
Post by: John H White on Saturday 31 July 2010, 10:46
 If piano trios where the customary cello is substituted by a viola are allowed my favourite would be the first of Ignaz Lachner's 6 works for that combination. Mind you, all six are well worth hearing, being full of beautiful melodies. The complete set are still available on a pair of Claves CDs and the sheet music can be obtained from Merton Music. I've transcribed two of them into Noteworthy software and they can be viewed and heard at the Noteworthy Scriptorium web site.
     If we need to stick rigidly to  the "orthodox" line up of violin, cello & piano, then I'd go for Spohr's No 5 in G minor ( which I've also put on the Noteworthy Scriptorium), but I agree that Gernsheim's No 2 is also a lovely work.
Title: Re: My Favourite Unsung Piano Trio
Post by: Mark Thomas on Saturday 31 July 2010, 16:09
Raff's Nos.1-3 in equal measure top the list for me (as you might expect), but the Dietrich Piano Trios are almost as satisfying. The Gernsheim works are delightful too, to be sure.

Why the Raffs? Well, I think it is the unquenchable flow of melody, coupled with the extreme inventiveness which Raff displays in varying the texture of the music. Of course there is also his playful use of counterpoint and, especially in the Third, quite a number of unexpected harmonic diversions along the way. Each features a fizzing Scherzo, a meltingly regret-tinged lyrical slow movement and, by no means usual for Raff, an upbeat finale with substance which actually works.
Title: Re: My Favourite Unsung Piano Trio
Post by: edurban on Saturday 31 July 2010, 17:37
My favorite unsung trio is the 3rd of Adolf Martin Forster, one of the Americans who went to Leipzig to study.  It's not without problems, but the soaring tunes carry it for me (think of the Rheinberger piano quartet).  I often find myself whistling them on the street.  Not recorded, but published and in Library of Congress.  If Forster had belonged to any other nationality, this piece would have been recorded long ago...

David 
Title: Re: My Favourite Unsung Piano Trio
Post by: edurban on Saturday 31 July 2010, 17:40
Curses, Peter1953, this means I have to buy the Gernsheims!  I was leaning towards it, though, having fallen in love with his piano quartets and quintets...

David
Title: Re: My Favourite Unsung Piano Trio
Post by: ScipioAfricanus on Saturday 31 July 2010, 18:43
have you guys heard the 2 piano trios by Robert Fuchs.
Title: Re: My Favourite Unsung Piano Trio
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 31 July 2010, 19:39
Yep, the Fuchs trios are superb too. But then, Fuchs is very strong in all his chamber music. In fact anyone who likes the Gernsheim/Antes CD ought to lap up the recording of Fuchs' Op.22 and 72 on Quartz.

And don't forget the superb new Toccata CD of Jadassohn Piano Trios 1-3!
Title: Re: My Favourite Unsung Piano Trio
Post by: Amphissa on Saturday 31 July 2010, 20:21
 
There are way too many to have to choose just one. My top choices among the Sungs would be:

Rachmaninoff D minor, op. 9 "Elegiac"
Tchaikovsky A minor, op. 50 "In Memory of a Great Artist"
Shostakovich No. 2 in E minor, op. 67

Among the Unsungs, for pieces not yet mentioned, I would add:

Foote (like them both)
Martucci C minor, op. 59

Title: Re: My Favourite Unsung Piano Trio
Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 31 July 2010, 23:02
I hope to hear the Gernsheim, Fuchs and Jadassohn (I have MIDIs of one movement each of one of Fuchs' (#2) and Jadassohn's (#1) trios, and have a notion that I'll very much enjoy the rest. The first movement of Fuchs 2 is especially lovely and catchy, I think...)
Arensky's trios are only "semi-sung" (#2 is still unsung, really- I remember when I basically never heard it on the radio, and there seemed to be maybe one or two recordings of it available if that- neither of which I'd heard- rather a contrast to the situation for the admittedly much better #1) but #1 is a favorite of mine and deserves much more exposure still, I say.  Saint-Saëns' 2nd isn't exactly a household-name-of-trios either, but is really good stuff... As to un(der)sungs and sticking to - well, only a few :) -
(1) Joseph Rheinberger's piano trio no. 3 op. 121.  Lovely.
(2) Edmund Rubbra's piano trio in one movement (trio no. 1) op. 68. (a little outside the boundaries of this forum maybe- but then, comes to a firm close in D major and is pretty clearly tonal, passionate, serious, effective and again lovely- well, I think, but whose list is this? So hopefully no moreso than the Shostakovich example mentioned.)
(3) Arnold Bax's piano trio (no.2) in B-flat.
(4) Raff's trio no. 1.
Probably forgot something important, but those I know reasonably well give or take, and am happy to give as favorite unsungs...
Title: Re: My Favourite Unsung Piano Trio
Post by: Gerontius on Saturday 31 July 2010, 23:29
The Villa Lobos Piano Trios No's 1-3 are fascinating. :)
Title: Re: My Favourite Unsung Piano Trio
Post by: Kriton on Sunday 01 August 2010, 00:58
My favourite unsung piano trio would be the huge A minor trio by Gabriel Pierné. The weird but amazing instrumentation, the seriousness, and its proportions all make this one of the most impressive pieces of chamber music I know. It took me many hours of listening, and I have to place this trio on top of the list of unsung and sung piano trios - not counting Schubert's op.100, of course.
Title: Re: My Favourite Unsung Piano Trio
Post by: JimL on Sunday 01 August 2010, 01:04
Just what do you mean by "weird but amazing instrumentation"?  Is it for piano, violin and cello or not?
Title: Re: My Favourite Unsung Piano Trio
Post by: Kriton on Sunday 01 August 2010, 01:13
Quote from: JimL on Sunday 01 August 2010, 01:04
Just what do you mean by "weird but amazing instrumentation"?  Is it for piano, violin an cello or not?
It is for piano, violin & cello. With "instrumentation" I meant what is probably called "scoring" in English, I just realised.
Title: Re: My Favourite Unsung Piano Trio
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 01 August 2010, 01:44
Quote from: Kriton on Sunday 01 August 2010, 01:13
Quote from: JimL on Sunday 01 August 2010, 01:04
Just what do you mean by "weird but amazing instrumentation"?  Is it for piano, violin an cello or not?
It is for piano, violin & cello. With "instrumentation" I meant what is probably called "scoring" in English, I just realised.

musically the concepts are sometimes the same word in English, as with "orchestration" for the instrumental lineup of a work, on the one hand, or the particular use made of the instruments to hand to convey the musical idea, on the other...
Eric
Title: Re: My Favourite Unsung Piano Trio
Post by: Kriton on Sunday 01 August 2010, 02:19
Isn't there a (not so subtle) difference between scoring a work for (certain instruments) and scoring a work a certain way (i.e. originally, unidiomatically, etc.)? In my post, I certainly meant the latter, since I now think the former has the meaning of "instrumenting" - if that's even a word. Or am I wrong? Always a tricky business when it's not your mother tongue...
Title: Re: My Favourite Unsung Piano Trio
Post by: TerraEpon on Sunday 01 August 2010, 06:48
Cecile Chamniade, Piano Trio No. 1.

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Title: Re: My Favourite Unsung Piano Trio
Post by: Peter1953 on Sunday 01 August 2010, 07:02
Thank you all for your contributions. Yes, I understand it's difficult to make a choice which Piano Trio (for piano, violin and cello) is definitely your favourite. When I read unsung names such as Raff (I certainly cannot do without his marvellous piano trios) and Fuchs (just gorgeous, and, off-topic, don't forget his 3 piano sonatas) I'm going to add Rubinstein's piano trio No. 3 in B flat major, op. 53. I really love that piece very much.
I wish Rufinatscha had written a piano trio. That would have been something...

Amphissa, you mentioned Rachmaninoff's Trio Elegiac (Élégiaque) No. 2. But what do you think of his 15 minutes lasting Trio Élégiaque No. 1 in G minor (without opus number)? That piece really moves me...
Title: Re: My Favourite Unsung Piano Trio
Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 01 August 2010, 08:05
QuoteI wish Rufinatscha had written a piano trio.

But he did. It's coupled with the piano four hand reduction of the Piano Concerto on one of the Tiroler Landemuseum CDs.
Title: Re: My Favourite Unsung Piano Trio
Post by: Peter1953 on Sunday 01 August 2010, 08:47
Now that is a stupid mistake of mine. Sorry, Johann...   :-[
And of course it's in my collection. I will listen to your Piano Trio this afternoon...
Title: Re: My Favourite Unsung Piano Trio
Post by: Ignaz Brüll on Sunday 01 August 2010, 15:49
The Martucci's!
Title: Re: My Favourite Unsung Piano Trio
Post by: JimL on Sunday 01 August 2010, 16:01
Did anyone mention the Henselt?  That's mine.
Title: Re: My Favourite Unsung Piano Trio
Post by: chill319 on Wednesday 04 August 2010, 02:58
As Peter says, there is so much excellence to choose from. I look forward to getting to know the Gernsheim and Fuchs trios, now on order. Having lived with earlier recordings for years, I was thrilled to hear the superb musicality of the Arden Trio's performances of the two Foote trios on Naxos. I highly recommend both the works and the ensemble. Chaminade has not been quite so lucky, but her two trios -- especially the second in A minor, opus 34 -- similarly seem works of substantial character and individuality.
In case I'm not the last to have done so, have a look at the mouth-watering (if not, indeed, chin-drippin') http://imslp.org/wiki/List_of_Compositions_for_Piano_Trio