Check out his Symphony in C Minor on YouTube. Make sure to type his name in quotes or you will never find it!!!
Quote from: kansasbrandt on Sunday 08 August 2010, 03:24
Check out his Symphony in C Minor on YouTube. Make sure to type his name in quotes or you will never find it!!!
His relatives (father and brother, I think) Samuel de Lange Sr. and Jr. have interested me (Jr.'s quartet no.3 op. 67 for instance, presently on IMSLP, first seen by me at my grad school university's library)- I haven't heard them but have given the scores a good look. Thanks for the info!
Eric
In the Netherlands there is a 'Musical Legacy Foundation De Lange', stimulating and promoting the musical output of the De Lange family. This Foundation has a very interesting, informative website, however unfortunately only in the Dutch language. See http://www.stichtingdelange.nl/ (http://www.stichtingdelange.nl/). If you click on Discografie you will find CD's that are available.
Brandt wrote
QuoteCheck out his Symphony in C Minor on YouTube
Of course, this is a rip of the Sterling CD. There are thousands of commercial CD recordings available on YouTube and I'm always amazed that they acquiesce to such blatant piracy.
Picking up on Eric's mention of brother Samuel, his Viola Concerto was broadcast a few years ago and is a really lovely piece.
Quote from: Mark Thomas on Sunday 08 August 2010, 08:46
Brandt wrote QuoteCheck out his Symphony in C Minor on YouTube
Of course, this is a rip of the Sterling CD. There are thousands of commercial CD recordings available on YouTube and I'm always amazed that they acquiesce to such blatant piracy.
Picking up on Eric's mention of brother Samuel, his Viola Concerto was broadcast a few years ago and is a really lovely piece.
They try to remove them (especially of course when the copyright problem is pointed out by owners!) but not with the (once-bitten thrice-shy?) attitude shown by IMSLP and (no idea if there's any history here in general) Wikipedia.
OK - Found it on Sterling coupled with an outing by Zweers. I will definately put that on my ultra-high priority must buy list now having "auditioned" it for free!!! I am always a bit concerned about the ethics of these "freebies" on YouTube, to be honest. The young man who posted it calls himself Meyerbeer1 and has placed tons of "unsung" items there. Fortunately, Mark has quite rightly called attention to a key point here - and that is, if we're getting this music on there for free, is that not going to ultimately HURT our crusade rather than help it???
No. I'm more likely than not to buy the CD after hearing the symphony, and I don't think you can burn a YouTube onto CD to listen in your car. I'm not sure if you can load it onto an iPod even, since I don't have one. Besides, the long-range goal for me isn't just to own the CD, but to get an occasional live performance of these works here and there.
Quote from: JimL on Monday 09 August 2010, 04:41
No. I'm more likely than not to buy the CD after hearing the symphony, and I don't think you can burn a YouTube onto CD to listen in your car. I'm not sure if you can load it onto an iPod even, since I don't have one. Besides, the long-range goal for me isn't just to own the CD, but to get an occasional live performance of these works here and there.
Actually, there is software to burn the audio tracks of YouTube videos to mp3s etc., but I still hold with your main points. (The science fiction publisher Baen Books has an online Baen Free Library of complete downloadable books on more or less- though of course not exactly- that general reasoning. Their own books, though.)
Eric
Quote from: JimL on Monday 09 August 2010, 04:41
No. I'm more likely than not to buy the CD after hearing the symphony,
Me too.
You tube quality is crap, so I use it as a kind of try before you buy service.
I might be wrong, but i doubt if you tube has decreased CD sales. If it did, I am sure many recordings would be removed.
Thal
Quote from: thalbergmad on Monday 09 August 2010, 12:12
I might be wrong, but i doubt if you tube has decreased CD sales. If it did, I am sure many recordings would be removed.
Youtube itself might not have had that much of an effect on CD sales, but the myriad sites that actually offer whole CDs for download have almost certainly done so.
I am exhumating this thread because I have a question, and I would rely on this board's members expertise to find a final answer.
Some time ago I found out that on youtube there's actually an alternative performance of the de Lange symphony..Dutch Radio Symphony Orchestra conducted by the estimable Jac van Steen.
I made some research, and it appears to be a 1997 Dutch Radio 4 performance.
The question is: do you know if this has ever been released commercially?
I could not find anything.
I was floored by this performance, which I find vastly superior to the Sterling cd, both in interpretation and orchestral playing.
I am very attached to the piece of course because of course I like it and also, believe it or not, it was the piece that started years ago my interest in the Unsungs.
From a random listening of the Halstead performance on the internet...to dozens and dozens of cd's!
Here's van Steen's performance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3pU4q9iIq4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3pU4q9iIq4)
Perhaps someone could copy and upload it for us?
that would be wonderful, even with the not-quite-cd quality sound that comes with YT.
I listened to it several times, and I feel that van Steen's more deliberate tempos, the keener articulation he elicits, and the refined playing by the Dutch orchestra, they all really lift up the symphony to another level.
Halstead's performance is ok, but a little too rushed, and here and there I find instances of less that tight ensemble.
There's nothing really wrong with it, but van Steen realizes the full potential of the piece.
I'll have a go...
Good man!
When you say "copy", I'm sure everyone is well aware that you can rip the youtube audio directly to mp3 using a site like peggo.tv, as I'm doing right now. You just have to pick your way around the dodgy advertising matter; having clicked "record mp3" and cancelled the spurious tabs that come up (usually twice - don't click on "download"!) the mp3 file will download automatically
Does anyone have a better youtube ripper they can recommend?
It may not be better, but I use 4k Video Downloader, which downloads the original mp4 file, enabling you to convert to mp3, wav etc, to your own standard. Anyway, my rip of the YouTube recording is now available in our downloads board here (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,7085.msg75334.html#msg75334). It's a fine performance, I think, much more convincing (read "gutsy"!) than Halstead's interpretation on Sterling.
Brilliant. Thanks, Mark!
thank you very much indeed Mark, it's much appreciated!..this is going to be permanently burned on a cd..
If you're on a Mac, there's nothing that beats Downie (https://software.charliemonroe.net/downie.php (https://software.charliemonroe.net/downie.php)), which can rip video and audio from a host of sites. It will post-process files (so you can choose to rip both audio and video or just audio, and in what format) and has plug-ins for most browsers.
Like Mark, I can also recommend 4K Video Downloader. VERY efficient!
I must say that the new upload is quite an eye-opener. How much bigger the Symphony now seems. An interesting contribution to the genre in the so-called 'Dahlhaus Gap' (no symphony of real note between Schumann 4 and Brahms 1).
I heartily agree. It's a bigger work than I had thought.
@Alan
i told you...and I am glad you agree..I thought I knew the De Lange inside and out, but van Steen's performance was nothing short of revelatory.
Just shows how important it is to do the unsungs really well. Even Brahms can sound naff in a poor performance. Perhaps we might think differently about, say, Rubinstein's symphonies if they were done properly.
Now that's a generous thought. ;)
But the point is well made. I remember going to a blazing and beautifully shaped performance in Bamberg by the Sinfoniker of Raff's 2nd Symphony, which was followed after the interval by a drab, "phoned-in" rendition of Tchaikovsky's 1st Piano Concerto, made worse by a lacklustre and wayward soloist. On the evidence of that night alone, no-one would have doubted that Raff was the better composer.
I've experienced evenings like that. Depressingly, the audience will still give the familiar work a standing ovation irrespective of performance.
We need a level playing-field as far as performances of the unsungs are concerned. I mean, who wouldn't want to hear the BerlinPO under Petrenko in, say, Rubinstein's 4th?
Always to some in the audience, neither composer will be familiar, so boo hiss to "phoned-in" performances of Brahms, Raff, Rubinstein, or Tchaikovsky, of course!! One might lose people briefly or always for a whole range of music because of lack of commitment in performance...
The de Lange Symphony is a very fine work - easily comparable with other works in the broad Germano-Austrian (Austro-German?) symphonic tradition of the 1860s, i.e. Dietrich in D minor, Volkmann 1, Bruch 1, Draeseke 1, Raff 2, etc. Now all it needs is a first-class recording. Wonder whether Netherlands Radio have the van Steen performance in their archives?
The Catalogue of Beeld en Geluid (https://zoeken.beeldengeluid.nl/) (the Dutch radio and tv archives) does not list any De Lange works. However, this symphony was released (https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Bernard-Zweers-1854-1924-Symphonie-Nr-1-D-Dur/hnum/3990786) together with Bernard Zweers' First Symphony on Sterling a few years ago, in a serviceable recording of the Radio Chamber Orchestra Holland under Anthony Halstead. One that I prefer over the Van Steen, to be honest, and not just because I wrote the liner notes for the CD. 8)
It's van Steen's performance that has really opened my ears, though. I must now have another listen to Halstead.
Listening to the Halstead (with the Netherlands Chamber Orchestra, note), I'm reminded of my reactions to the recent spate of recordings of Mendelssohn, Schumann and Brahms symphonies made by various conductors with assorted chamber orchestras. Halstead sounds so clean, so polite - rather as the aforementioned recordings do. Grateful as I am for his pioneering recording, van Steen digs so much more deeply into the music.
Of course, others may argue that Halstead's approach is more historically accurate. It's a case of what one prefers. I know which I respond to...
A slight tangent, but the quite lovely Viola Concerto by his brother Samuel (Jr.) is available on YouTube. I believe both brothers composed concertos, but Samuel was particularly prolific. A further examination of both brothers' extant music is in order.
btw Here are the 4 movements of the symphony if no one's mentioned, taken from the first edition (1870s) Jacques Maho-published score as listed in a library catalog. (I suspect the recordings are both from the 1995 publication, not the 1870s one.) As mentioned here (http://www.worldcat.org/title/symphonie-en-ut-mineur-pour-orchestre-op-4/oclc/66188833?referer=br&ht=edition), it was dedicated (opgedragen) to Edouard Lalo.
1. Allegro molto moderato ; 2: Andante con moto ; 3: Scherzo (Molto vivace) ; 4: Allegro moderato.