Unsung Composers

The Music => Composers & Music => Topic started by: eschiss1 on Thursday 29 December 2016, 13:12

Title: Dessoff chamber music
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 29 December 2016, 13:12
Not a new recording (1983-6?...; string quartet in F, string quintet in G, on Antes Edition), just listening to it, and I find no reference to the composer, Felix Otto Dessoff (1835-92) here except in other capacities. The quintet of 1878 could certainly be mistaken for Brahms (whose own first quintet was 4 years in the future- it does sound like parts of his string sextets in a general way). Haven't yet started listening to the string quartet (in regards which see http://www.editionsilvertrust.com/dessoff-string-quartet.htm (http://www.editionsilvertrust.com/dessoff-string-quartet.htm).)
Anyone else heard this?
Title: Re: Dessoff chamber music
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 29 December 2016, 19:57
There was/is also an Audite CD featuring the String Quartet, coupled with Brahms' String Quartet, Op.51/No.2. I remember the music as being thoroughly cultured and wondering why Dessoff wrote so little.
Title: Re: Dessoff chamber music
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 29 December 2016, 22:27
There's absolutely no doubt in mind that Dessoff's String Quartert is a masterpiece of the first order. Its themes are memorable, it has extraordinary elegance and some of its harmonic 'twists' are truly surprising. It packs an awful lot into its 24+ minutes' length. Don't tell anyone, but I'd rather listen to this than any of Brahms' efforts...
Title: Re: Dessoff chamber music
Post by: petershott@btinternet.com on Friday 30 December 2016, 10:38
Total agreement that the Quartet and the (2 cello) Quintet are each immensely rewarding works. For those who want to investigate the Antes disc referred to by Eric is BM-CD 31.9023. I don't know when it was released, but the two works were recorded in 1983 and 1986. Perhaps at 49 minutes rather short playing time, but who cares about quantity when the music is of such quality. On the back of the CD there is a quotation from Brahms given after Dessoff's death in 1892: "He was a splendid character and a musician of lively temperament and fine education". We know Brahms wasn't given to such tributes casually.

The explanation of why Dessoff didn't compose more was that his principal activity was conducting. There is, apparently, a very early symphony and what seems a successful piano sonata (now completely ignored and forgotten) together with some choral works. He gave up composing to concentrate on conducting (although these two chamber works for strings came from 1878 when he briefly returned to composition), and had an especially rewarding career (I believe he conducted the first performance of Brahms's 1st symphony).

As Alan remarks there is a later recording of the Quartet by the Mandelring on Audite - one of their three CDs devoted to Brahms plus. The fine musicians on the Antes disc are the Bartok-Quartett (for the Quartet) and L'Ensemble (Quintet).

I found Dessoff a wonderful discovery, and it made me regret that conducting pushed composing to one side. And I can't resist adding that if Alan has become tired of the Brahms quartets then there's a case for a brisk walk in the park, a cold bath, and then a fresh listen to any one of them! Try the recent disc by the Belcea - it blows cobwebs off routine performances of these works.
Title: Re: Dessoff chamber music
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 30 December 2016, 11:03
Quoteif Alan has become tired of the Brahms quartets
I absolutely adore all of Brahms' music, but...
...just occasionally I want something less dense, more athletic - and frankly, less earnest. Out of all the string quartets of the period, for repeated listening I'll take Raff's 1st over all the competition. There. I've said it! (Ducks incoming verbal missiles!) For those who don't know this great work, audio samples are available here:
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Joachim-Raff-1822-1882-Streichquartette-Nr-1-7/hnum/2964696 (https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Joachim-Raff-1822-1882-Streichquartette-Nr-1-7/hnum/2964696)

Thanks for the hint about the Belcea's recordings, though - I'll investigate forthwith.
Title: Re: Dessoff chamber music
Post by: petershott@btinternet.com on Friday 30 December 2016, 17:26
Yes, I gladly concede the point (and thought you expressed it well with that sometimes wanting "something less dense, more athletic.....and less earnest"). One couldn't live with Brahms all the time however well written and glorious his quartets might be. And yes again - it is the sheer exuberance of Raff that I find so completely enhancing. We need both composers and there are certainly no verbal missiles coming from me!
Title: Re: Dessoff chamber music
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 30 December 2016, 18:14
How I wish the so-called cognoscenti out there shared our view...
Title: Re: Dessoff chamber music
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 30 December 2016, 18:24
There does seem btw to be or have been a recording of the piano sonata out there (on a private label, or something...) at least according to a Google search.
Title: Re: Dessoff chamber music
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 30 December 2016, 22:12
Indeed. But I haven't been able to find a copy.
Title: Re: Dessoff chamber music
Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 31 December 2016, 01:45
The pianist seems to be selling it here (http://www.sontraud-speidel.de/e-cds.htm). (Not very effectively, since the contact link is down as are the others. Let me see about that...) (Two other recordings of hers- of Op.2 and of the piano reduction of Dessoff's string quintet- seem to have marginally more circulation over Amazon and thelike...)

She has a personal/professional? Facebook profile (easily found via a search) (though not a group/page which one can simply "join"/"like"), and I guess could be contacted there or at her university...
Title: Re: Dessoff chamber music
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 02 January 2017, 18:54
There are copies for sale here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003Q7H5GQ/ref=pe_385721_37986871_TE_item (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003Q7H5GQ/ref=pe_385721_37986871_TE_item)
Title: Re: Dessoff chamber music
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 09 January 2017, 17:03
My copy's now arrived - and it's a superb disc. In fact in ordering it, I had mis-read its contents. It also contains a later String Quartet in E major, Op.11 (unpublished until the CD came about) – i.e. one different from the Op.7 work which we already have. It's another fabulous work - concise, full of incident and memorable material. I strongly urge potential fans of this music to track down any remaining copies of this CD.

Dessoff's a minor master – but only minor because he wrote so little. The works which we have suggest a major talent...

Title: Re: Dessoff chamber music
Post by: Martin Eastick on Monday 09 January 2017, 19:11
My copy has also just arrived - and many thanks to Alan for providing the link on Amazon UK! I have had this CD on my wants list for some years and cannot quite grasp why it seems to have had such limited circulation. Anyway, I have to echo Alan's enthusiasm and also pleasant surprise in finding that I now have BOTH string quartets - also any qualms I might have had concerning the use of a historic piano for the sonata were quickly cast aside! Surely this recording ought now to be reissued as I am sure there would be more than enough interest?
Title: Re: Dessoff chamber music
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 09 January 2017, 21:00
Absolutely! Wonder who might take it on (if the label's defunct, that is)?
Title: Re: Dessoff chamber music
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 09 January 2017, 22:37
I wonder if Toccata might be interested.
Title: Re: Dessoff chamber music
Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 14 January 2017, 07:50
I was able to stream the Antes quartet/quintet recording over Naxos Music Library (I have a subscription through IMSLP) so I am guessing that recording at least might be purchasable still in some form, but I absolutely don't know about the other :( ...

But you ask if Audite which produced, I think, the other recording you mention (not the one with the piano sonata- that's a 3rd recording still, I know) is defunct? I receive monthly emails from them...

(Unless you do mean the label that produces the recording with the piano sonata, as I'm now guessing you do. Hrm. Ok, sorry, I did misunderstand, of course. That would take some serious looking into...)
Title: Re: Dessoff chamber music
Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 14 January 2017, 08:02
Worldcat only lists recordings from Fantasia Classics from 2001 and 2002, and alternately lists a recording as also associated with Joachim Draheim (born 1950, Berlin) and Gabriele Starke (poss. born ca.1970/dissertation 1993 on Gertrud Baumer?), both at the time working in Stuttgart (Starke in turn was also associated with SWR2 radio).
Title: Re: Dessoff chamber music
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 14 January 2017, 10:25
It's the Fantasia Classics CD we're talking about, Eric. After all, it contains the Piano Sonata and a String Quartet unavailable anywhere else.
Title: Re: Dessoff chamber music
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 17 January 2017, 12:40
To be clear, the Draheim/Starke label = Fantasia Classics, according to Worldcat... they were the people associated with that label during what may have been its brief existence?, if I understand. I was not very clear (and that's even if I understood correctly). They may be the people to contact about it.
Title: Re: Dessoff chamber music
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 17 January 2017, 19:08
Gabriele Starke is evidently a "Tonmeisterin" (sound engineer) working for SWR2 Musik (Südwestrundfunk - South West Radio), in Stuttgart. That would explain a lot - according to LinkedIn she has worked there since 1996. Joachim Draheim would appear to be a musical editor of some sort.