On Markus Becker's website, under Concerts, he has listed:
12-16 Feb 2018
Piano Concertos of Pfitzner and Braunfels
Rundfunk-Sinfonieorchester Berlin conducted by Constantin Trinks
To be released on Hyperion.
This is interesting as Dutton released the Braunfels concerto not long ago, and the Pfitzner has received a number of good recordings already.
Thoughts?
cheers,
Daniel
cpo would be the most likely candidate.
even though cpo already has a recording of the Pfitzner (though with Volker Banfield)? I guess it's possible- they have some duplication in their catalog.
There is also an old Marco Polo recording of Pfitzner's piano concerto..
were any cuts made in the Pfitzner concerto? I have a feeling I read somewhere that the old recordings was based on an edited version of the score - I could be wrong , it was ages ago...
Oops - I neglected to include that in Becker's post, he states the recording is for Hyperion. Post corrected.
:)
I hope cpo, anyway, doesn't do this sort of thing quite so much anymore (to the extent they can avoid it. One is encouraged by how "extra-complete" some recordings of theirs have been more recently- the Gade chamber music with the extra movement of the sextet, e.g.) (I rather like my recordings to be urtext, I suppose ;^) :) though wonderfully performed firstoff.)
"Possible" release now official. New thread to come, w/composers/works in title, now that speculation & more specific details are confirmed.
Today, on its Facebook page, Hyperion Records is asking a question almost designed for the members of this forum : "What would you love to see next in our Romantic Piano Concerto series (and who would perform it)?"
Shouldn't we take the opportunity to quickly organize a collective reflection, justify our suggestions, and then answer (and add comments) under Hyperion's post to make it somehow viral? It could be easy to bring some attention to "our agenda"!
A question for Gareth, I'd say. Gernsheim and Thieriot would be among my choices, with Simon Callaghan as soloist.
I am still hopeful that recordings of Anton Beer-Walbrunn and Amadeus Wandelt will become a reality one day..
I know what my two front-runners are, but I wouldn't presume that anyone here would second them! ;D
I wonder what Kaun's concertos sound like orchestrated.
This is very interesting. Like Alan, I would love to see the Gernsheim and Thieriot concertos recorded, more particularly since the 2 by Thieriot were scheduled for recording in the RPC series but had to be cancelled owing to the Covid pandemic. Wheesht knows that, thanks to him, I have the full scores of the Beer-Wallbrunn and Vandelt concertos - both fine works - so they would also get my vote. Kaun's concertos have long been on my list: scores and parts available from Fleisher. As readers of this forum will know, my immediate wish would be to have the Concerto symphonique and 2nd PC of Jakob Julius Major recorded. Score and parts of the former are available from Fleisher. I sent a copy of the 2-piano score of the 2nd PC to Simon Perry and he told me he intended to do a Major disk, possibly including one or more of the 3 fantasies for piano & orchestra too. I think we should respond on Hyperion's Facebook page. I have just come out of a week in hospital with a chest infection so am still quite wobbly - and, besides, I really, really hate Facebook!!! So may I suggest that folk focus their thoughts (sensibly - make sure the performing material for what you want is extant and available; I can help there perhaps) and ask Alan or Mark to represent this forum on Hyperion's Facebook page. We can but try.
Sorry to hear you've been unwell, Gareth. Get well soon!
Thank you very much, Alan. Much appreciated.
I should add to my earlier post that I think Simon Callaghan would be excellent in all this repertoire, although Valentina Seferinova has been looking at the Beer-Wallbrunn and likes it very much. And of course, Oliver Triendl, I am sure, would be up for anything.
Interestingly, Hyperion have asked a question on their FB page today asking for suggestions for future recordings for the RPC series. Not sure if they've seen this thread!
Best regards,
Jonathan
Jonathan, if you go back to Simon's post of yesterday at 13.40 you will see that it was his announcement of this invitation on Hyperion's Facebook page that has prompted the recent responses here.
... are there commercial recordings yet of Conradin Kreutzer's piano concertos?
Likewise hope Gareth continues to feel better.
I have suggested Eugen d'Albert's Piano Concerto in A major (1881, thought to be lost but manuscript found as of a 2017 article) and his Piano Concerto in G minor (1874), in addition to Louis Diémer's Konzertstück, Op. 31 as well as Hans Huber's Piano Concertos No. 2 & 4
Quote from: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 19 July 2024, 17:15ask Alan or Mark to represent this forum on Hyperion's Facebook page. We can but try.
I "have but tried" on our behalf on Facebook, Gareth. :) Get well soon, my friend.
Other members should add to the suggestions there too, of course.
FBerwald, do you know where the performance material is for your suggestions, of it is readily available (i.e. not in private hands) and which pianist might be interested in playing them? The material for Huber 2 is at Fleisher, but only the parts, no full score, so one would have to be prepared. Performance material for Huber 4 is with the pianist Timon Altwegg, who would not wish to lend it unless he were the soloist. A record company will be more open to suggestions if much of the groundwork is done for them.
Dear Mark, thank you very much indeed.
Eric, thanks so much for your kind words.
Good call on Kreutzer. There are to my knowledge no commercial recordings of his PCs. Performance materials for no. 2 are, as you know, at IMSLP. The parts for no. 1 are held by Stadtbibliothek Hannover (according to WorldCat). Don't know about no. 3. Howard Shelley would be a good choice as pianist IMHO.
Hi Gareth, reg. the manuscripts, specf. d'Albert A minor? piano Concerto, the author of the 2017 article states that he found it in the Library of Congress.
https://blogs.loc.gov/music/2017/05/re-discovery-the-two-opus-2s-of-eugen-dalbert/ (https://blogs.loc.gov/music/2017/05/re-discovery-the-two-opus-2s-of-eugen-dalbert/)
As for the even earlier G minor Piano Concerto. I have no idea except the info available on the net https://opac.rism.info/rism/Record/rism211011479?id=211011479&db=251&View=rism&Language=en (https://opac.rism.info/rism/Record/rism211011479?id=211011479&db=251&View=rism&Language=en)
The Louis Diémer Konzertstück full score is available on IMSLP.
No.3 Op.65 doesn't even have a noncommercial taped performance to consider yet, unlike nos. 1 & 2, as we found out, though Mike Spring has the score and sent a copy to Martin Eastick. Will see if I can track down libraries with scores and parts too, etc. etc. ...
Re LoC, it's unfortunate that their online library catalog is so unreliable, but one can't do everything from one's desk, writer sighs.
Re Kreutzer op.65, Worldcat lists 15 parts "in folio" at the British Library (or was this discussed a few years ago and it turned out they didn't have it?). The 41-page piano solo part is listed at a few other libraries and has been digitized here (https://digital.blb-karlsruhe.de/id/4095004).
First of all I, too, wish Gareth speedy recovery.
Not being on Facebook, I cannot add suggestions there. Even if that does not help to increase chances for either the Anton Beer-Walbrunn or the Amadeus Wandelt concerto, I know that Martin Valeske, the chairman of the Beer-Walbrunn Art & Culture Association, who has put in a lot of effort and hard work to make the score available for performance, would be absolutely delighted if a recording came about – as would Wandelt's grandson.
Just read an interesting comment on FB reg Henri Herz - "The orchestral material for the 6th concerto appears to be in the Conservatoire de Liège." http://bibli.student-crlg.be/opac_css////////index.php?lvl=author_see&id=2261&page=1&nbr_lignes=50&l_typdoc=a%2Cc (http://bibli.student-crlg.be/opac_css////////index.php?lvl=author_see&id=2261&page=1&nbr_lignes=50&l_typdoc=a%2Cc)
Is it the full score finally, or the parts?
That was my post FBerwald. I've known about the Conservatoire de Liège holding for some time. The scant description given on their catalogue does suggest full orchestral parts (Mike Spring told me some years ago that full orchestral scores from that period are not always available and in any case he enquired about the full score from Schott who said they never actually published it). So there is hope!
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Well done. I must fire off an enquiry to Liege (although there is a nagging doubt in the back of my mind that Mike Spring said something to me, years ago, about the catalogue entry being misleading - however, he may have been referring to something by Litolff instead; it was a very long time ago). Anyhow, fingers crossed.
I have, by the way, overcome my antipathy to Facebook (at least, temporarily) and put a lengthy post on Hyperion's page. I have pushed the Beer-Wallbrunn and Wandelt works and said that Bulgarian pianist, Valentina Seferinova, is looking at them (which she is).
Quote from: Gareth Vaughan on Saturday 20 July 2024, 01:06Jonathan, if you go back to Simon's post of yesterday at 13.40 you will see that it was his announcement of this invitation on Hyperion's Facebook page that has prompted the recent responses here.
Apologies Gareth, I'm a bit distracted at the moment after I found out a close friend has died. Please continue the discussion...
Oh good, I was part way into attempting a reconstruction of the Herz #6, using the orchestral cues on the solo piano reduction. I guess I'll put that one on hold, it's a lot of work and will probably not be as good as the original. Also I have no way of simulating a chorus properly, so it would never have been anywhere close to an adequate reproduction, just better than nothing at all. It was a fun project to attempt, but maybe a bit beyond me at this point. Hopefully a real performance will be coming soon. I have enough other things to work on in the meantime.
Yesterday I played an LP of Reinecke's PC 1 performed by Ponti. On the reverse side is the PC 2 of Eugen D'Albert. Out of curiosity I searched for D'Albert's name here and found only this one specific mention. Is there a reason he is not mentioned here e.g. not Romantic enough, not Unsung or something else?
Quote from: Maury on Wednesday 04 September 2024, 01:26Out of curiosity I searched for D'Albert's name here and found only this one specific mention. Is there a reason he is not mentioned here e.g. not Romantic enough, not Unsung or something else?
I did a search and found multiple threads on D'Albert's work. Not sure why your search failed.
The search was on Eugen D'Albert. Only this came up. Searching on d'albert more hits appear but the references are all en passant as far as I saw. I see no dedicated thread. If you do, can you please let me know your search term. Thanks
Update: Looking more closely a number of the hits for d'albert don't even contain his nama. Instead they have either d' or de somewhere in the text. Is the search engine confused by the apostrophe in the name?
What appears to work best is this search term, in quotation marks: "D'Albert". His first name is sometimes Eugene and sometimes just Eugen...
It's also possible that the search engine may be sensitive to the difference between ' and ' and other minor details... (or not, since the "smart right single quote" and "plain right single quote" are rendered the same here, it seems.)
OK thanks Wheesht. Putting the name in quotation marks brought up the rest of the threads. The apostrophe is confusing the search engine at least with my set up. But to clarify, myself putting d'albert in the search box without quotes did not bring up any instances of D'Albert in the title field just in a small number of message bodies. Some others had variants of d' and de. Why that didn't also bring up d'albert is a mystery to me.
We're so sorry, Eugen D'Albert
We're so sorry if your search has been in vain.
We're so sorry, Eugen D'Albert
But there're no hits hitting home
And I believe they'll stay the same.
In a reply today to a mail enquiring about the status of the Romantic Piano Concerto Series from Hyperion, I received the following reply
"... I'm afraid it isn't possible to give a definitive answer to your question about our RPC series: although there are currently no RPC releases scheduled at the present time, the series hasn't been cancelled and further instalments should not be ruled out in the future. We will, of course, continue to release piano concertos outside the RPC—there is an album of 20th-century Italian piano concertos planned for release early next year..."
What do we make of this? writing on the wall? Beginning of the end? or is there hope for continuation of a once-grand series!?
Writing on the wall, I'm afraid. We know what Universal are like. They will just do mainstream repertoire with big name artists (most of whom are not interested in the unsungs). Unless someone else pays for it there will be no more RPC releases.
I suppose we must be grateful for the 87 (?) volumes in the RPC series that we have had; sad though I am to contemplate the discontinuation of that series, I personally am much more disappointed in the improbability of further issues in the RVC series.
I do hope that cpo are in safe hands...
It was good while it lasted! As for cpo, they are the house label for JPC, so as long as the relationship remains, they should be OK.
Quote from: John Boyer on Friday 06 December 2024, 16:34As for cpo, they are the house label for JPC
Quite so: Also unabhängig bleiben, bitte! Hände weg, Universal!
In the sense that the recordings (in particular, those that are -not- of mainstream repertoire) being released in the next few months by Hyperion seem to have been recorded at latest very early last year, before Universal bought Hyperion, it will still be awhile before one can really test that, I suppose.
Good point, Eric. The 'fallout' will surely be long-term.
The situation is also different because of the way cpo is embedded into Germany's public broadcasting system, and their long-lasting affiliation with its orchestras (and others beside).
I have to say I don't hold much hope regarding Hyperion; these days Universal aren't even releasing all that much on their major labels and seem mainly content to milk their back catalogue.
Universal is the kiss of death to recorded classical music - at least, of the unexplored nature which this forum is all about. As for Hyperion under Universal: sic transit gloria mundi.
Vale atque vale indeed. Heigh ho. Even "golden ages" have to end sometime.
I think there's also the issue of them needing new performers. Howard Shelley, who performed the majority of those albums, is I'm pretty sure essentially retired at this point?
Strictly speaking, perhaps a plurality (23 of 87). Piers Lane and some of the others are still active, I believe, but your point has merit...
When did Shelley essentially-retire? He recorded the most recent recording, of those that he participated in, in the RPC series in December 2022 (and he was performing as recently as last month).
It came up in a discussion on my most recent video, of the Cipriani Potter #3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9HxbHn14kk). Shelley recorded his #2 and #4, but the manuscript for #3 needed some cleanup, which may be why he didn't do that one. (#1 I understand may be lost). I may be spreading false rumors on that point, but the man is in his mid-70's at this point, so it wouldn't surprise me.
I'd always hoped for a final Liszt New Discoveries disc from Leslie Howard. He's certainly performed some of the recently discovered pieces at the Wigmore Hall but I suspect the whole Universal takeover means it won't happen.
Shame as I received my Liszt Society journal last week and there is a substantial work in there that needs recording! (It's an early version of the Salve Polonia from the incomplete oratorio "St. Stanislaus")
Best regards
Jonathan
Is the early version of S.518 from 1863 and the recorded version from the 1880s?
Quote from: Jonathan on Sunday 08 December 2024, 22:37I'd always hoped for a final Liszt New Discoveries disc from Leslie Howard. He's certainly performed some of the recently discovered pieces at the Wigmore Hall but I suspect the whole Universal takeover means it won't happen.
Shame as I received my Liszt Society journal last week and there is a substantial work in there that needs recording! (It's an early version of the Salve Polonia from the incomplete oratorio "St. Stanislaus")
I've been wondering about the lack of one for a little while now. There's quite a number of Album leafs that even have scores on IMSLP that seem too recent for Howard to have recorded.
Still a bit surprised about that last part, but I trust the due diligence of the copyright admins there.
I wonder if the Naxos Liszt series, whose next installment (https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/9725700--liszt-complete-piano-music-vol-64) includes some really unusual items only otherwise ever recorded by Leslie Howard I think, mightn't get around to them instead.
Quote from: eschiss1 on Sunday 08 December 2024, 22:52Is the early version of S.518 from 1863 and the recorded version from the 1880s?
I'll check when I'm back at home - I skim read the details at the front of the journal and it said that the ending is different (the second version is the one that was recorded by Leslie). It also starts differently to the version that is better known too.
Best regards
Jonathan
With much respect, aren't we straying a bit off topic here?
Thanks, Gareth. Indeed we are. Let's hope there's something relevant to discuss, though (!)
Hyperion did put a post earlier on FB asking us what we would like to see recorded in the future. Maybe they are regrouping to have a fresh approach with new artists!?! - Just me being the eternally hopeful.