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Title: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: Martin Eastick on Thursday 05 April 2018, 19:39
I have just come across this http://www.mikepurtonrecording.com/mpr-british-chamber-music-series/! Although indicated as a March release, this prompted me to phone the company, and I have been advised that this should be available with effect from next week!
Title: Re: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 05 April 2018, 22:16
I think I saw that on MDT, too.
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Post by: Santo Neuenwelt on Friday 06 April 2018, 17:44
Were they published in Parry's lifetime? And if so, does anyone know where we can obtain copies of the parts. (Not the BL please, too expensive)
Title: Re: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 06 April 2018, 18:30
no.3 has been published, in 1995. The string quintet in 1992. The other 2 are in ms I believe. (I see nothing in COPAC to indicate where though. Hopefully the notes to the CD will say.)
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Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 06 April 2018, 18:57
This PDF (http://www.rcm.ac.uk/media/Parry%20-%20Handlist%20of%20MSS.pdf) is a list of the RCM's holdings of Parry mss btw...
Title: Re: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 06 April 2018, 19:02
quartet no.3 was btw found among Finzi's papers in 1992 acc Wikipedia.

Edit: the score of the quintet may have been published by Novello as early as 1909 - Bodleian Oxford's entry claims so.
Title: Re: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: Hector on Saturday 14 April 2018, 09:42
I love Parry's orchestral and choral music but have been consistently disappointed by his chamber music. I have listened to the recordings of his Piano Trios and the Piano Quartet on Meridan and the String Quintet and Quartet on EM Records and found them all deeply uninspiring. I am wondering, is it me or the performers or the music? All of the recordings were premiers and sounded to me like people performing unfamiliar works - stiff phrasing and rhythms, so I suspect it might be the performances. It does put me off buying this latest release of his Quartets.   
Title: Re: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: Mark Thomas on Saturday 14 April 2018, 12:08
My copy arrived five minutes ago. I'll let you know in a few days, if no one beats me to it.
Title: Re: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 14 April 2018, 13:13
And my copy's now on order!
Title: Re: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 16 April 2018, 11:15
This set is a mixed bag both musically and interpretatively, illustrating the pitfalls of a "completist" approach to CD compilation. I thought the two early quartets of 1867 and 1868 thin fare, largely devoid of character or interest - the sort of anonymous music churned out by a middling Kapellmeister of the first half of the 19th century. The second one (in C major) is the stronger work in its Mendelssohnian way, but the material is humdrum and there's little of harmonic or rhythmic interest to engage the listener - perhaps predictably its Scherzo is the most attractive movement. I suspect that both works suffer from the moderate tempi adopted by the Archaeus Quartet, whose caution reduces the G minor's slow movement to a funereal dirge and fails to breath life into the other movements of these quartets, which might well have benefited from a lighter and more confident approach. The isolated Scherzo movement, left unfinished by Parry and of uncertain date, is not a strong piece either, although it is taken at an appropriately sprightly pace. I'm not sure that Jeremy Dibble's work in preparing a performing edition was worth the effort. Thus far I found myself agreeing with Hector's misgiving expressed in an earlier post.

What a relief then to hear the G major Quartet of 1878, where a very much more able composer is heard. This is a confident, interesting and attractive work which the players can get their teeth into, and they respond with gusto. I detect the influence of Brahms, but others may disagree. The earnest and dramatic opening Allegro is followed by a slightly rustic and very attractive Andante, which leads on to an imaginative and most enjoyable Scherzo. Unusually, the finale is perhaps the best movement of the work, featuring one of those broad melodies so typical of Parry. Throughout, the Archaeus Quartet are unrecognisable as the players of the other quartets in this set, clearly responding to the quality of the material they now have on their stands. It's a fine, convincing performance of a pretty good piece. You may find more in the other works than I did, but for me the String Quartet No.3 is the one to which I'll return.
Title: Re: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 16 April 2018, 14:23
This is probably what one would expect: the first two quartets were written at the age of 19/20, whereas No.3 comes from a decade later, in the composer's early maturity. As Mark says: the dangers of completism...
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Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 16 April 2018, 15:48
Luckily the 2CD set only costs the same as one full-price CD, so the cost of getting one's hands on the rather good No.3 isn't too exorbitant. 
Title: Re: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: matesic on Monday 16 April 2018, 16:07
I just listened to Parry's No.3 in the Bridge Quartet performance which can be streamed from NML. I found it rather as I'd expected, i.e. perfectly pleasant and not as formulaic as most British chamber music of the period, but ultimately undistinctive. I could say I wish the Archaeus would record some Macfarren whose 6th quartet was written about the same time, but I'm not sure I'd want to buy the CD! It wasn't until 1891 that Stanford stretched the envelope a bit; extraordinary that his 3rd quartet still hasn't had a recording.
Title: Re: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 16 April 2018, 16:41
well- a complete of Stanford's is said to be underway.
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Post by: MikePurton on Tuesday 24 April 2018, 13:41
Interesting to read the comments about my recent recording of Parry's complete music for string quartet, however it's the centenary of his death so it's quite fitting that a complete set should be made. Quartet no. 1 was performed from manuscript scores and parts held in the Bodleian Library, No. 2 has been edited as a performing version by Professor Jeremy Dibble and no 3 is already published by Fentone. Yes the first two quartets are youthful and not of the maturity of no. 3 but we all enjoyed working on them and I think that there is an attractive youthfulness about them, very Mendelssohnian (speaking as someone who is apparently connected with him via my mother's side of the family!). You can hear some samples at my website www.mikepurtonrecording.com and get a glimpse. I have commenced a series of unrecorded British chamber music of which this release is the second - some of you may have come across the many recordings I made for Dutton Epoch and British chamber music is a genre of which I am very fond. Releases to follow in several months include String Quartets by Leonard Salzedo, Violin Sonatas and then the Piano Trio, Quartet and Quintet by Arnold Cooke, who used to live at the other end of my road in Kent. We are also recording works by Cooke for Clarinet and for Oboe. Please let me know of any unrecorded repertoire you feel is worth doing and do remember that buying CDs enables small labels like MPR (we now have worldwide distribution through Select) to afford to be able to continue to make recordings, streaming makes the record label 0.01p per track. Thanks for the feedback and keep listening!
Title: Re: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: JimL on Tuesday 24 April 2018, 16:59
Do you specialize strictly in chamber music, sir, or can you obtain the services of an orchestra?
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Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Tuesday 24 April 2018, 18:25
May I suggest the three Folksong Suites for String Quartet by Joseph Holbrooke, Opp. 71,72 & 73, and his Piano Quartet "Byron", Op. 31. These have not been recorded. Nor has the 3rd String Quartet "The Pickwick Club", Op. 68.
The Sextet for Piano & Winds (flute, oboe, clarinet, bassoon & horn), Op. 33 is, IMHO, a minor masterpiece. It can also be played as a Sextet for piano & strings (2 violins, 2 Violas, Cello), but works better, I think, with winds because Josef always wrote very beautifully for wind instruments.
Title: Re: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: MikePurton on Wednesday 25 April 2018, 09:27
Hi, being a former orchestral player (1st Horn Halle Orchestra 1973-86) I would love to make some orchestral recordings of unknown Romantic music, however this requires funding. Mind you, NAXOS can sometimes be persuaded. Suggestions please!
Title: Re: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: MikePurton on Wednesday 25 April 2018, 09:31
Hi Gareth, thanks for these suggestions, I recorded Holbrooke's Clarinet Quintet some time ago for Dutton Epoch, fine music. However, I have just realised that for this website we are only supposed to discuss music written before 1918. Having already broken the rule by accident, I'm not sure when the works you suggest were written. Certainly his earlier works would have been written before that cut off point, I'll do some research.
Title: Re: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 25 April 2018, 09:47
Mike, the 1918 cut off is only a guide and doesn't apply to composers who wrote in a "romantic" style after that date, of which Holbrooke is obviously one. So you're fine.
Title: Re: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: MikePurton on Wednesday 25 April 2018, 13:36
Thanks, does Arnold Cooke count as being OK?
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Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 25 April 2018, 13:45
I think we have Cooke classed as "Hindemithian", at least for his symphonies as broadcast. (Of course not something that "bothers" me, but that's beside the point.)
Title: Re: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: matesic on Thursday 26 April 2018, 14:39
Mike - very interesting to hear from you. I read that Arnold Cooke died in Five Oak Green, at the other end of your road? That's very much my area too - I used to live in Yalding and commuted from Paddock Wood.

You'll have no shortage of suggestions from this site but could I put in a plea for another Kentish man, Percy Hilder Miles (1878-1922) who lived in Erith, was a fine violinist and taught harmony at the RAM. As a composer he published only three substantial works (all are on IMSLP) but the RAM hold the manuscripts of several more. My colleague Phil Hall, violist with the BBCSO and also a resident of Erith, is hoping to organise some performances.
Title: Re: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 26 April 2018, 15:58
Quotedoes Arnold Cooke count as being OK?
No, he's tonal, but not romantic - rather like Hindemith with whom he is often compared.
Title: Re: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: MikePurton on Friday 27 April 2018, 14:23
I'm quite familiar with his work now and think of it as being a little like Hindemith meets Vaughan Williams. I have always been a fan of Hindemith's music which needs to be played expressively, then it really comes to life. Do look out for future Cooke releases.

Percy Hilder Miles sounds very interesting and after a swift look at his music on IMSLP looks interesting too. A shame he died so young, I wonder if he was in the Great War? Just the thing for some research, thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: JimL on Friday 27 April 2018, 17:53
Well, Mike, I have been researching violin concertos, and other concertante music for violin lately, and have stumbled across several works that may be available in full score somewhere, although there are piano reductions available on IMSLP of all of them (and one full score.) Specifically, the only violin concerto by Otto von Tideböhl (a Russian, despite the Germanic name), the two violin concertos of the Hungarian virtuoso/composer Tivadar Nachéz (both of which are available on IMSLP, the 2nd in full score), the sole violin concerto of the Czech clarinet virtuoso/composer Jan Václav Novák, and the Zigeuner Fantasy of the Belgian violinist/composer César Thomson. All appear to be works of either some fun or much worth, or maybe a little of each. Nachéz was a favorite of Liszt, who also happened to have been a student of Liszt's nemesis Joachim.
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Post by: matesic on Friday 27 April 2018, 18:55
Mike - we're straying a bit off-topic here, but if you're interested in Percy Hilder Miles I could supply you with more details about his life and a few intriguing questions, for example why his Cello Concerto was pulled from the 1908 Henry Wood Proms and apparently never performed; also why in his will he bequeathed his Strad to Rebecca Clarke who had briefly been his student nearly 2 decades earlier and rejected his marriage proposal. I'm at coatesandjones@gmail.com.
Title: Re: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: JimL on Friday 27 April 2018, 19:24
I would say Miles outlived WW I, judging from his year of death.
Title: Re: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: matesic on Friday 27 April 2018, 19:53
What he did in the war years is another slight mystery!
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Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 27 April 2018, 22:23
Gentlemen: we're way off-topic here (partly my fault too), so do consider starting a new general topic...
Title: Re: Parry complete string quartets
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 30 April 2018, 05:09
or re-starting since we've had, I think, a similar topic in the past- but anycase - agreed, agreed. Worth having periodically when there's a reason to, as now.

(And looking forward to hearing the Parry recording. As it seems I may be able to, possibly even over NML, since they carry EM recordings at least for now. They do have a habit of dropping labels over that streaming service, grumble.)