Unsung Composers

The Music => Composers & Music => Topic started by: Martin Eastick on Friday 08 June 2018, 18:51

Title: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: Martin Eastick on Friday 08 June 2018, 18:51
I have just obtained the score of this American composer's E major violin sonata, which was published in Switzerland (Éditions d'Art et Musicales Pro Arte, Lausanne, undated - although probably published around the 1940's).

Upon further investigation, it transpires that Courtlandt Palmer studied with Sgambati in Italy, and also with Leschetizky and Paderewski. The music that I have before me is certainly late romantic in style, and, from a pianist's perspective, well-written and strong melodically. There are three movements.

There are a number of other works of his that were published, including a piano concerto and a piano quintet. There is a collection of his scores, both published and unpublished, held in a collection at the New York Public Library. They also hold an extensive collection of 78rpm acetates of Palmer playing both standard repertoire as well as some of his own works, including the premiere performance of his piano concerto with Sir Thomas Beecham conducting! Purely on the basis of Beecham's involvment alone, this would surely be of considerable interest, if only this could be accessed, or, even better, issued as a CD! Perhaps someone who has the time and the necessary contacts and influence may wish to investigate further - perhaps this may even be a future possibility for Hyperion?

Obviously, if anyone can add anything further..............
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 08 June 2018, 19:54
A string quartet in A minor published by Gebruder Hug of Zurich is @ IMSLP..
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 08 June 2018, 21:22
I may be in New York in December. If I am I will try to make time to visit NYPL and let them know in advance what I would like to examine. I may also fire off an email to ask what it would cost to obtain a copy of the 2-piano score (or full score) of Palmer's piano concerto. My recollection, however, is that their reprographic service is not cheap! (Though maybe not as bad as the BL.)
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: Wheesht on Saturday 09 June 2018, 01:56
The Conservatoire de Lausanne, the Swiss National Library and the Zurich Central Libary all hold copies of the piano reduction, 2-piano score and, in the case of Zurich, what appears to be the full score. This latter is even available for free home loan. I will probably be in the Zürich library  in two weeks and could get that score and scan or photograph it.
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: pianoconcerto on Saturday 09 June 2018, 04:05
There are at least three archival recordings of the Palmer piano concerto.  Here is the information from the full version of my piano-and-orchestra discography (i.e., not the short version that is online):

Palmer, Courtlandt (1871-1951) USA
Concerto in C (1940?; premièred 2 Dec. 1941 in Washington D.C. by Palmer, Thomas Beecham, and the Philadelphia Orchestra [www.newmusicbox.org/assets/5/premieres.pdf], rather than 25 Jan. 1942, with Palmer, Beecham, and the New York City Symphony, according to the New York Public Library)

New York Public Library (Courtlandt Palmer Collection):  Courtlandt Palmer/New York City SO/Thomas Beecham (25 January 1942)

New York Public Library (Nat. Orchestral Assoc. Collection):  Courtlandt Palmer/Nat. O Assoc./Leon Barzin (13 May 1942)

Courtlandt Palmer/Blue Network SO [of the American Broadcasting Co.]/Alexander Smallens (19 May 1945)
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: Martin Eastick on Wednesday 13 June 2018, 11:43
There seem to be copies of the published orchestral score (69 pages) in several locations; in New York (NYPL, Columbia University, New York University & Queens College), but also in the UK, at Sheffield University & Manchester University. According to worldcat, the three listed copies in Switzerland (Bern, Zurich & Solothurn) are of the 34 pages, and therefore presumably are 2-piano, or piano solo scores only. Although not listed on their website, I do wonder if Gebrüder Hug & Co still hold the orchestral parts?  Interestingly, Sheffield University also holds a copy of the piano quintet.

Again, going back to the detailed listing of the collection held at NYPL, there is what appears to be another (unpublished) piano concerto listed - "Concerto for Suydam Palmer", the mss including full scores as well as a 2-piano reduction!
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: Wheesht on Wednesday 13 June 2018, 18:40
The copy of the published piano concerto held at Zurich Zentralbibliothek is 69 pages and thus, presumably, the orchestral score. I will have a look next time I'm there. I could also try Hug, they are still around after all, although of course not all companies have wonderful vaults full of forgotten gems that we might hope for...
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: semloh on Thursday 14 June 2018, 02:35
A very long list of Palmer scores held by the NY Public Library can be downloaded here:
https://www.nypl.org/sites/default/files/archivalcollections/pdf/muspalme.pdf  (https://www.nypl.org/sites/default/files/archivalcollections/pdf/muspalme.pdf)
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: jimsemadeni on Thursday 14 June 2018, 13:41
This is one of those unsung concertos that would be a great "revival" project (says he who has not two pennies to rub together).
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: Martin Eastick on Thursday 14 June 2018, 16:10
It certainly would be a great revival project - but only if the concerto(s) are worthy of such! Based on the work I have in my possession, I suspect that his other music may well be worth further attention - and the piano concerto(s) would, of course, be more than desirable. Obviously, I would be more than interested to have the opinions of those here who have indicated that they may be able to consult these works! If they indeed are worth further attention, then it may well be possible to get something done with the support of certain favourably-inclined performers/labels who are well-known enough to members of this forum!
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Saturday 16 June 2018, 16:36
I'll see what I can do, but Simon is looking at a lot of other scores at the moment.
(It's Roger Sacheverell Coke, by the way.)
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 16 June 2018, 18:33
...or Roger Sherwood, maybe?  ;)
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: Wheesht on Wednesday 20 June 2018, 13:56
Quoteat NYPL, there is what appears to be another (unpublished) piano concerto listed - "Concerto for Suydam Palmer", the mss including full scores as well as a 2-piano reduction!
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I have the published orchestra score of the PC in front of me, and on the first page it says "To my dear sister May Suydam Palmer", so it may well be the same concerto – unless Palmer dedicated two concertos to his sister. The three movements are:

I. Moderato
II. Andante
III. Allegro energico
There is no key indicated in the title (and I cannot read music...)
The duration is 25'.
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 20 June 2018, 16:48
As to the key, if Moderato is the main section of the first movement (if it's not followed by a more important faster section, say) and if you have a scanner, I might be able to help if you could scan and email the first page of music to me? (If that's not a thing I should be asking, tell me and I'll delete this comment...)
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: Wheesht on Wednesday 20 June 2018, 17:38
I have photographed it as the pages are too large for my scanner. I'm happy to email the first page to you. Thanks.
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 20 June 2018, 20:00
C minor or major, though very fluid in key with the slow movement (and the contrasting material in the first movement) both in D-flat major.
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 20 June 2018, 22:19
What do you think of it, Eric? Should I suggest it to Hyperion?
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 20 June 2018, 23:06
I don't know if I'm a good enough judge of such things, especially on a first look. (I'll try to have a listen.) (Edit: "humming out" some of the main material it seems promising.)
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: Martin Eastick on Wednesday 20 June 2018, 23:49
I would like to thank those here who have taken the trouble to get "stuck in" and look at the concerto (which would seem to be just the one in spite of the rather confusing listing in the NYPL collection). If anyone could send me a copy - and the work is worthy of promoting (which I suspect it may be!) -  I would certainly take this forward with those at Hyperion, although I imagine it will have a bit of a wait in the ever - lengthening queue of deserving causes! Then, of course, there needs to be due consideration for appropriate coupling(s)..............!
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Saturday 09 March 2019, 19:18
QuoteI have photographed it as the pages are too large for my scanner.

Did you ever get around to photographing the score, Wheesht? A Herculean task, I am sure.
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 09 March 2019, 21:04
I think W. did mean the whole score and not just the first page (or reduction) but shouldn't answer for...
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: Wheesht on Saturday 09 March 2019, 21:23
Yes, indeed, I photographed the entire score last summer, and it wasn't such a Herculean task either. Perhaps I just felt energised by the fact that, unexpectedly, I had "found" the score and been allowed to take it home.
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Saturday 09 March 2019, 21:43
Would it be possible to see the pictures you took so I can assess this work, please?
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: Martin Eastick on Sunday 10 March 2019, 00:06
I would just like to mention that I did forward the copy scans of the score to Hyperion last year - we just have to await any further developments.............
Title: Re: Courtlandt Palmer (1871-1951)
Post by: semloh on Sunday 10 March 2019, 00:14
It is heartening to know that so many people, such as yourself, Martin, are doing what they can to get UCs 'out there'. Let's hope Courtlandt Palmer gets a 'fair go'.