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The Music => Composers & Music => Topic started by: Rex Stultorum on Sunday 24 June 2018, 17:21

Title: Early d'Albert Piano Concerto in A found
Post by: Rex Stultorum on Sunday 24 June 2018, 17:21
I hope this hasn't been posted already (I searched and didn't find anything, but I'm new to this forum):

Fans of Eugene d'Albert know that he has two published piano concerti, the first of which (in b minor) is listed as Op. 2.  If you look on his Wikipedia page, you'll note that there's another concerto he wrote in A major which is marked as lost.  Well, it appears that this "lost" concerto was found last year in the Library of Congress:

https://blogs.loc.gov/music/2017/05/re-discovery-the-two-opus-2s-of-eugen-dalbert/

Even though this is a piece of juvenalia (it was written when he was 16), I'd still love to hear it.  There is allegedly an "almost complete" fourth concerto in g minor - if anyone has information on this please let me know.  Thank you.
Title: Re: New D'Albert Concerto Found
Post by: FBerwald on Sunday 24 June 2018, 20:04
This is amazing news. Like the rediscovery of the Moszkowski Piano Concerto in B minor.
Title: Re: Early d'Albert Piano Concerto in A found
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 24 June 2018, 21:31
Might Hyperion be interested in this? Martin E? Gareth?
Title: Re: Early d'Albert Piano Concerto in A found
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 25 June 2018, 01:08
I am sure they would. However, I am a little confused here as the concerto found in MS at the Library of Congress is clearly in A minor, not major. So what is this A major concerto?
Title: Re: Early d'Albert Piano Concerto in A found
Post by: Rex Stultorum on Monday 25 June 2018, 01:44
From what I can see of the article, the concerto begins in a minor, but by the end is in A major.  Wikipedia lists it as A major, but doesn't list a source.  If you read the article, it appears the author (David Plylar - I assume a library archivist) thinks that the piece is, overall, in A major.
Title: Re: Early d'Albert Piano Concerto in A found
Post by: JimL on Monday 25 June 2018, 03:03
If there is an introduction of some kind in the first movement that is in the minor, but the movement proper is in the major mode then A Major would be an appropriate description. However - remember the error on the premiere LP recording of Anton Rubinstein's Piano Concerto No. 1. That was said by the writer of the liner note to be in E Major, which it most decidedly is NOT (any more than Chopin's 1st Piano Concerto is.) This error was then promulgated in the subsequent recording (I particularly love the Marco Polo/Naxos CD by Banowetz, where it says it's in E minor in one place, E Major in another, and just plain E in another - talk about covering all your bases!) So the d'Albert concerto may have been mistakenly listed as being in A Major from the get-go. We'd have to give it a good examination to make sure.
Title: Re: Early d'Albert Piano Concerto in A found
Post by: Rex Stultorum on Monday 25 June 2018, 06:05
I agree.  We'd have to look at the whole score to make a call about a minor or A major.  Hopefully the whole score will be available for inspection soon.  Regardless, as a fan or d'Albert, I'm happy to hear about the discovery.
Title: Re: Early d'Albert Piano Concerto in A found
Post by: Revilod on Monday 25 June 2018, 06:07
Very exciting news. I'd love to hear it though it's obviously a substantial work and finding a pianist prepared to learn it may not be easy. Most concertos which start in the minor end in the major, of course, ( Mozart's K491 is an exception) so confusion can arise over the music's mode especially if a description relies on aural memory.
Title: Re: Early d'Albert Piano Concerto in A found
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 25 June 2018, 09:35
Ok. Well, key apart, as soon as the score becomes available I will show it to Hyperion. Meanwhile I will drop Simon Perry a line to alert him to its discovery.
Title: Re: Early d'Albert Piano Concerto in A found
Post by: JimL on Monday 25 June 2018, 19:29
The Bronsart is also an exception (although the 1st movement does indeed end in the major.) So are the Moscheles 3rd and 7th piano concertos, and the 2nd and 5th Concertos Symphoniques of Litolff. All have finales in the minor key, and don't brighten up at the end. Now that I think of it, the 1st and 3rd Scharwenka concertos are the same; in fact, the 3rd has a finale that starts in the major key, and ends up with a cyclic return of the opening movement's material in its initial guise, finishing up in the minor (with an almost verbatim reprise of the end of the first movement.) There are probably a number of additional Romantic piano concertos that end in the minor key, but I can't recall them at the moment.
Title: Re: Early d'Albert Piano Concerto in A found
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 25 June 2018, 19:49
You mean after their finales begin in the major, or just in general?  (If the latter: Does Ries count as Romantic in this connection, or Classical? Concerto no.3's finale briefly hints at C-sharp major, but only briefly... still, definitely ends in minor. Saint-SaĆ«ns 2 counts - finale begins and ends in the minor. Likewise Martucci 2. Looks like Dupont's F minor concerto does too, btw...)
Title: Re: Early d'Albert Piano Concerto in A found
Post by: Revilod on Monday 25 June 2018, 21:03
Virtually all the popular  "sung" Romantic/Classical concertos which start in the minor end in the major.  Beethoven 3, Tchaikovsky 1, Brahms 1, all Rachmaninov's, both Chopin's, both Mendelssohn's, Schumann's, Grieg's, Dvorak, Scriabin....Exceptions: Mozart 24, Saint-Saens 2. Unsung composers take note!
Title: Re: Early d'Albert Piano Concerto in A found
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 25 June 2018, 21:05
And so, back to d'Albert...
Title: Re: Early d'Albert Piano Concerto in A found
Post by: FBerwald on Wednesday 23 October 2019, 21:29
Any updates re. this rediscovered manuscript? Can we expect a recording... I have been listening to the Piano Concerto No. 1 in B minor and cant get over the vast beauty. Sure, it's over indulgent at times but on the whole it's such a lush and beautiful work.
Title: Re: Early d'Albert Piano Concerto in A found
Post by: FBerwald on Sunday 11 September 2022, 16:05
Has there been any development the the recording plans for this concerto? The lost A minor with the unrecorded G Major  would make a nice RPC volume.
Title: Re: Early d'Albert Piano Concerto in A found
Post by: Ilja on Sunday 11 September 2022, 16:27
The G major was apparently written by him at age 10. It's not listed as lost, so the fact that everyone ignored it may say something about its quality?
Title: Re: Early d'Albert Piano Concerto in A found
Post by: FBerwald on Sunday 11 September 2022, 17:05
The G major exists in complete manuscript as far as I can deduct from the articles on the net. The fact that something is ignored for so long doesn't always translate into its quality. 
Title: Re: Early d'Albert Piano Concerto in A found
Post by: giles.enders on Monday 12 September 2022, 10:34
In 2012 I met with a descendant of Eugene d'Albert. It was they who told me about the early concerto in G major which is in Dresden. In their opinion it was of curiosity value only. For completists it might be worth recording but otherwise is best left to scholars.

Title: Re: Early d'Albert Piano Concerto in A found
Post by: semloh on Tuesday 13 September 2022, 23:14
Quote from: giles.enders on Monday 12 September 2022, 10:58Despite numerous requests for its return he has held on to it.
Trying to be positive, could that signal an intention to work on it?