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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: markniew on Thursday 13 September 2018, 18:34

Title: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: markniew on Thursday 13 September 2018, 18:34
Acte Prealable announces Piano Concerto no. 3 by Raul Koczalski.
http://www.acteprealable.com/
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 13 September 2018, 19:51
That's a very enticing prospect. Thanks!
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 13 September 2018, 22:21
Thanks for the good news, but I don't see any announcement on the Acte Prealable web site. Do you have a link, please?
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 13 September 2018, 22:47
See beneath the photo, Mark - the article: 'Raul Koczalski – another premiere.'
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 14 September 2018, 08:10
Thanks Alan. Still didn't see it, but I cleared my browser's cache and all was revealed. Good to know that the soloist's performance was "bodacious"! I wonder what the coupling will be - or is it a monstrous CD-filler?
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 14 September 2018, 08:44
Well the site doesn't say it has been recorded yet. Maybe they will couple it eventually with No. 4, which Jan seems confident he will be able to find.
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: FBerwald on Friday 14 September 2018, 08:54
Actually the Acte Prealable web site states that all the other concertos - Piano Concertos 4 - 6, the Violin Concerto, Cello Concerto and 2 Symphonies Op. 78, 93 - are "in preparation", so I think they have all the scores in hand.
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 14 September 2018, 10:10
Marvellous news. I must obviously look at the site more closely!
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 14 September 2018, 11:04
bodacious = excellent, admirable, attractive (North American informal - that explains it!) Reminds me of those bodacious friends Julian and Sandy...
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 14 September 2018, 11:38
Ah, I see. I thought it was a non-pc comment on her looks!
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 14 September 2018, 16:04
Don't worry - had to look it up myself!
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Rob H on Friday 14 September 2018, 21:32
I seem to remember their site saying something about the 3rd Concerto being coupled with one of his Symphonies.
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto no. 3
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 14 September 2018, 21:34
Ah, that would be good.
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Saturday 15 September 2018, 01:18
Well, the first Koczalski CD was called "Piano concertos, Volume 1", so I would expect Vol. 2 to contain two more piano concertos. But I could be wrong. We will have to wait patiently and see.
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: semloh on Wednesday 19 September 2018, 02:58
Reminds me of those bodacious friends Julian and Sandy...
... now that bespeaks a person of "a certain age"!  ;D
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 19 September 2018, 06:58
Oh bona!
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Rob H on Tuesday 27 November 2018, 11:16
http://www.acteprealable.com/albums/soon_ap0502.html

Just noticed this on AP website "coming soon". So confirmation that this release will feature just Piano Concertos.
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 27 November 2018, 12:18
(http://www.acteprealable.com/albums/cover/ap0502.jpg)

The CD features:

Piano Concerto No.3 in C major, Op.125
Piano Concerto No.4 in B flat major, Op.130

Joanna Ławrynowicz, piano
Lublin Philharmonic Symphony Orchestra Henryk Wieniawski
Rodek Wojtek, conductor
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: markniew on Friday 25 January 2019, 19:14
On the Acte Prealable website fragments of pieces that are to be issued soon, incl. concertos by Koczalski, can be heard (in order as indicated):
Ludomir Różycki – Ave Maria - Italia op. 50 no. 1 (AP0438)
Raul Koczalski
- Piano Concerto no. 3 in C major op. 125 - Allegretto, deciso (AP0502)
- Violin Concerto in D minor op. 84 - Lento sostenuto (AP0504)
- Piano Concerto no. 4 in B flat major op. 130 - Scherzo. Allegretto (AP0502)
- Cello Concerto in E major op. 85 - Lento sostenuto (AP0504)

Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 26 January 2019, 07:53
...and these excerpts make one impatient to hear the works complete. I see that they are now new releases, but they don't seem to be available for purchase yet.
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 01 March 2019, 09:31
The CD is now available from MusicWeb:
http://www.musicweb-international.com/Acte_Prealable/Catalogue_Acte_Prealable_2013.htm (http://www.musicweb-international.com/Acte_Prealable/Catalogue_Acte_Prealable_2013.htm)     (item 2)
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 01 March 2019, 11:25
and also from JPC...
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 01 March 2019, 12:28
Cheaper (marginally) via musicweb.
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 01 March 2019, 12:40
My copy's already been posted.
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 01 March 2019, 13:17
Yes, mine too, from JPC (but as part of a bigger order).
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 01 March 2019, 15:17
... and mine along with the VC & CC.
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 02 March 2019, 23:21
Both are really lovely works. Nothing like Rachmaninov, by the way, but full of memorable ideas. I mean, this is seriously beautiful stuff - perfect for the Proms.
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 03 March 2019, 08:23
Looking forward to hearing them. The one thing I had against the first two PCs was their lack of (to me) memorable melody. All else was there certainly.
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 03 March 2019, 13:53
No.4's the best of the lot, in my view - it ends with a splendiferous coda. Incidentally, both works are in four movements.

As regards memorable melody, I guarantee that you'll be humming the main theme of the finale of No.4...
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 03 March 2019, 16:38
Well, I won't hold you to that, but my appetite is certainly whetted, thanks.
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Rob H on Monday 04 March 2019, 12:54
Have been playing both 3rd and 4th concertos lots recently - OK, neither will oust the regular repertoire greats from the high positions but both are thoroughly enjoyable works and, much as I enjoyed the first two I find these much more appealing. My preference is perhaps for the 3rd but there are fabulous moments in both. I particularly love the allegretto: deciso of the 3rd. Really looking forward to the 5th and 6th Concertos.
Now I'm off to sample the Braunfels Piano and Orchestra disc that arrived this morning. What a time of unsung discovery we live in!
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 04 March 2019, 13:26
Do the Koczalski pc 3 & 4 and violin & cello discs give the source of the scores/parts performed from (eg manuscripts found in such and such a place)? Possibly in small print on the inside front cover of the booklet, but somewhere? I'm not quite sure that any of his concertos aside from the second piano concerto and oboe concertino were published even in reduction (in 1936 (Op.83, Tischer & Jagenberg) and the concertino in 1952 (Schuberth))...

(That said, his Symphonische Legende Op.53 in full score is registered as still being at a Polish library. Hopefully that will be in the series too :) )
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 04 March 2019, 13:33
Acte Préalable does offer these works (http://www.acteprealable.com/subpages/02_scores.html) in score for hire (and some of his chamber works for sale...), though piano concertos 4-6 are in prep. They seem fairly sure that the violin concerto is in A major and that the cello concerto is in B minor, but an incipit would be nice (though even then not determinative, any more than the brief incipit of a slow introduction in minor to a major mode work would establish that the work was actually in minor...) (Actually, that page looks interesting generally. I need to keep it in mind :) )

(Tangentially, there _are_ some works they're offering that are available already freely, I think, eg Fitelberg's first symphony op.16 (already available @ IMSLP, though presumably Acte préalable offers the parts- though I'm guessing so does Fleisher Collection (https://know.freelibrary.org/Record/160079) to an orchestra wanting it for hire. Perhaps Acte préalable's parts are typeset...)
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 04 March 2019, 23:50
one more thing- one useful source of information on Koczalski (and his music??) might be Vogel's book "Raoul Koczalski: Skizze" some of which can be previewed over Google. Hrm. Mostly a collection of concert reports in which he plays other peoples' music, but not _entirely_! (https://books.google.com/books?id=Rj--HVl1jWcC&pg=PA107)
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 11 March 2019, 07:51
I can't say that either of these works impressed me much, which is a disappointment. There's nothing to dislike in either of them, nothing jars, the (unmemorable) melodies flow along gently for the most part, the orchestration is serviceable, the piano parts decorative, the harmonies are safe, but Koczalski doesn't seem to have anything worthwhile to say. I thought that the third concerto's slow movement might have some depth when it began, and maybe it would have if taken at a slower tempo, but although it's the best of the work it still doesn't rise much above mere prettiness. As Alan says, the finale of the fourth concerto ends well, which is ironic. Sorry to sound so negative, but I had high(ish) hopes after the first disc. I'm not sure that I'll bother with the final pair of piano concertos.
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 11 March 2019, 17:56
Who am I kidding? I'm a completist, of course I will!
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: semloh on Monday 18 March 2019, 07:13
Never doubted it, Mark!  ;)
Title: Re: Raul Koczalski Piano Concerto Nos.3 & 4
Post by: JimL on Monday 18 March 2019, 21:45
The Violin Concerto is absolutely in a major key, and the cello concerto is definitely in a minor key a whole step up. I just got them and PCs 3 & 4 (1 & 2 are backordered.)