Unsung Composers

The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: Alan Howe on Thursday 18 April 2019, 17:27

Title: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 18 April 2019, 17:27
The only remotely UC-related programme:

Saturday 17th August: Prom 41 - LPO/Vladimir Jurowski

Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov: Mlada – suite
Sergey Rachmaninov: Piano Concerto No. 1 in F sharp minor (original version, 1891)
Anatoly Konstantinovich Lyadov: Baba-Yaga; Kikimora; From the Apocalypse
Alexander Glazunov: Symphony No. 5 in B flat major
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Thursday 18 April 2019, 20:31
Not quite, Alan, I see Clara Schumann's PC gets an outing, as does Dorothy Howell's Tone Poem "Lamia" (a beautifully scored work, reminiscent of Ravel's "Daphnis et Chloe") - in fact, the second time in recent years (it was programmed in the 2010 season) that this piece (first performed 1919) has appeared at a Prom concert, having not been heard before that season since 1950 when it was played by the Croydon Symphony Orchestra conducted by Ralph Nicholson.
But, other than the concert you refer to and these works, there is nothing much to get excited about.
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 18 April 2019, 21:13
...but neither is part of a predominantly unsung programme, which was my meaning. Points taken, though.
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Thursday 18 April 2019, 22:08
Yes. OK. Fair enough - but how often do we get a programme of predominantly unsung music at The Proms??!  Oh, that some controller of Radio 3 would be brave enough to programme a concert devoted entirely to Raff, for example! There is enough good music - as we know.
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 18 April 2019, 22:31
Almost never. It's a forlorn hope.
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 19 April 2019, 13:33
Even the program I attended 20-odd years ago - Debussy / Boulanger / Sibelius - had a significant enough work (2 Boulanger psalms) in the program, including one I'd heard of but never heard (Walter Simmons had mentioned Boulanger's setting of De Profundis in a Fanfare review as a possible coupling for Novák's in an all-20th century De Profundis setting (instrumental and vocal) program - I still haven't heard the Novák or the other works he suggested; in the event, Boulanger's was stunning, as I know I've said before)... that the question didn't really matter, I think.

BBC 3's overall programming strikes me personally as still enviable, compared to what's generally available here and given my tastes, but I know that's offtopic. (Interestingly, the modern composer whose music is featured right now on 3, Caroline Shaw, I first heard of when a work of hers was played - and she herself appeared- on a TV show called Mozart in the Jungle.)
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: Christopher on Wednesday 24 April 2019, 14:51
Quote from: Alan Howe on Thursday 18 April 2019, 17:27
The only remotely UC-related programme:

Saturday 17th August: Prom 41 - LPO/Vladimir Jurowski

Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov: Mlada – suite
Sergey Rachmaninov: Piano Concerto No. 1 in F sharp minor (original version, 1891)
Anatoly Konstantinovich Lyadov: Baba-Yaga; Kikimora; From the Apocalypse
Alexander Glazunov: Symphony No. 5 in B flat major


I'd go for Kikimora alone even though it's only 8 minutes long.  One of the most atmospheric pieces in the whole late-romantic Russian repertoire.  It's been recorded a lot actually, though still manages to be "unsung"...if that makes sense?
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 24 April 2019, 15:59
Oh, that makes perfect sense - oft recorded, but hardly ever included in concerts...
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 24 April 2019, 21:24
Not much Lyadov programmed anywhere though I do see a few performances of The Enchanted Lake this year elsewhere. Anyhow, that looks like a good concert for that and the also still not-that-often-programmed (I think?) Glazunov symphony.
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: semloh on Thursday 25 April 2019, 00:36
I never fail to be thoroughly disheartened by the BBC Proms, in relation to performers and repertoire (I have railed against them before on UC so won't repeat it here). It's an opportunity to showcase British musical talent, past and present, to the world, and a chance to air some of the neglected music of the unsungs, but it's an opportunity rarely taken.
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: mbhaub on Sunday 28 April 2019, 19:48
It's not just the Proms concerts that are disheartening. I've been going through playlists for summer festivals in the USA. From Hollywood Bowl, Aspen, Vail, Grant Tetons, Ravinia, Blossom, Round Top, Tanglewood and more. It's all the same. Nothing you wouldn't encounter in a normal season. Beethoven, Bernstein, Mahler, Brahms, Tchaikovsky....so unimaginative. Cleveland is giving Zemlimsky's The Mermaid an outing. And lots of John Williams. I guess Star Wars and Harry Potter sell a lot of tickets.
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: semloh on Sunday 28 April 2019, 23:35
Yes, I'm not surprised. It's the same here in Australia. Maybe our Unsung Composers are continuing to be neglected because "adventurous" programmes are including film and videogame music instead! If I hear any more Star Wars I'll scream!
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 25 August 2019, 13:43
In his review of this week's Proms performances in the Sunday Times today, Paul Driver describes Glazunov's Fifth as "an academic, even tedious affair, sidestepping the interesting at every point". Glazunov's Fifth? Really? I'm away from home, so I can't see the performance on catch up, but were Vladimer Jurowski and the London Philharmonic that bad? Or is this yet another case of critical bias?
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: brendangcarroll on Sunday 25 August 2019, 14:27
It was a FABULOUS concert and performance, and will be repeated on August 27 at 2pm on R3. It was so good, I plan to listen again. Not only was the Glazunov superb (it is one of my favourite of his symphonies) but we got to hear the original FIRST version of Rachmaninov's Piano Concerto No 1 which was fascinating! It was brilliantly played by Alexander Ghindin. 
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 25 August 2019, 14:56
Thanks for confirming my faith in one of the most impressive of Russian symphonies, Brendan. Driver's review of the whole concert was at best damning with faint praise, and I rather assumed that he was prejudiced against the Glazunov even before Jurowski raised his baton.
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 25 August 2019, 17:52
Glazunov 5 is a great Russian symphony. This must have been a matter of prejudice deafening the ability to listen to the music.

Can anyone record and upload the repeat broadcast, please?
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: brendangcarroll on Sunday 25 August 2019, 19:27
No need to wait for the repeat. It is avilable for severla weeks on the BBC IPLayer via this link:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/collection:p07hbtcr/m0007q43
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: brendangcarroll on Sunday 25 August 2019, 19:29
And here is another web link that may be easier to navigate:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0007q43

There's 23 days left to listen.
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 27 August 2019, 01:18
Speaking of Lamia, the new Chandos CD (CHAN10981) containing this work can be expected by the end of this month :)
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: MartinH on Tuesday 27 August 2019, 03:34
Dang! That was great! Thanks for the link. What a terrific concert, and terrifically programmed. Concerts like that are what we need to relieve the tedium and over-exposure of Beethoven, Brahms, Tchaikovsky and the gang. The audience's roar of approval at the end of the Glazunov was quite heartening to hear. The Russian "Eroica" indeed! The Lyadov works are just wonderful to hear, although I wish Jurowski had included "The Enchanted Laker" rather than the Vaughan Williams. The suite from Mlada is a rarity too. I've played it once and it's not easy. The orchestra played quite well - a couple of (understandable) trumpet flubs aside.

And then I have to say that I'm a bit sad, too. A sense of nostalgia and melancholy takes hold when I realize that this concert could have been done 100 years ago and most of the music is forgotten or ignored; the vast majority of classical listeners don't know it - or care to know it  - most conductors would never give it a glance. And there's not a composer alive today who could write a symphony that would get the stormy applause that this old Glazunov received. Thank you maestro Jurowski for keeping the flame lit!
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 27 August 2019, 12:50
Well said, sir!
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: Mark Thomas on Tuesday 27 August 2019, 13:32
Absolutely, and yet the Sunday Times' Paul Driver in his snide review wrote that the concert was "short on masterpieces". Rachmaninov's First Piano Concerto was "quite without Grieg-like capriciousness and charm [...] perhaps more poetry needed to be invested in this score", the Mlada Suite was "engaging", the Liadov pieces "made an interesting succession" and, as I wrote earlier, Glazunov's terrific symphony was "an academic, even tedious affair, sidestepping the interesting at every point". Clearly the audience didn't have his refined sensibilities.
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 27 August 2019, 14:16
...or his cloth ears.
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: brendangcarroll on Tuesday 27 August 2019, 16:37
Well I just listened to the repeat on R3 and enjoyed it even MORE the second time. What a sensational concert, and an amazing performance.
Title: Re: BBC Proms 2019 Season: Glazunov 5 concert
Post by: ewk on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 07:01
Very much seconded! I listened to the concert on BBC sounds yesterday and I really very much enjoyed it.