Unsung Composers

The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: Alan Howe on Saturday 24 August 2019, 22:19

Title: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 24 August 2019, 22:19
...forthcoming from Dynamic, conducted by the excellent John Neschling, who gave us the same composer's Il Guarany:
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/lo-schiavo/hnum/9426749 (https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/lo-schiavo/hnum/9426749)
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 25 August 2019, 03:11
Gomes is an underrated composer, his operas are certainly derivative of middle-period Verdi, but none the worse for that. This is, potentially, good news.
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Kevin on Sunday 25 August 2019, 07:35
Wow. I've just recently been looking for a recording of this. It's considered his masterpiece, hope it lives up to the hype.
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 25 August 2019, 09:29
It'll all depend on how well sung it is...
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Kevin on Sunday 25 August 2019, 09:33
Of course  ;)
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Ebubu on Monday 26 August 2019, 11:01
It's probably worth mentioning that this production will be issued on CD, as well as on DVD and Blu-Ray.
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 26 August 2019, 11:26
I'll have the CDs.
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 12 September 2019, 22:25
Lovely opera. Terrible tenor. More anon...
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 12 September 2019, 23:07
Maybe so, I don't know yet, but my current recording of this fine work was released years ago by an obscure Brazilian label and is a live performance in atrocious sound, so anything will likely be an improvement.
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 12 September 2019, 23:43
Oh, I'll be buying this, but it'll be partly spoilt by the poor casting for sure. Typical, I'm afraid, of second-tier Italian operatic recordings - and not a patch on the fine recording of Il Guarany.
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 13 September 2019, 08:00
Indeed. But then, very few recordings of unsung operas are unfortunately.
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Kevin on Friday 13 September 2019, 08:19
In my opinion we are very fortunate to get these recordings of unsung/obscure operas bad tenors or no.
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 13 September 2019, 08:49
Yes, I tend to agree, but obviously it would be preferable for the performers to up to scratch. That said, it doesn't seem to be a problem confined to obscure operas. There are plenty of mainstream performances with below-par principals. 
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Kevin on Friday 13 September 2019, 08:57
Yes standards are not what they used to be. We have to accept that we are not living in the golden age(era) of classical recordings any more, nor will we ever see one again.
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 13 September 2019, 10:00
Still, some recordings are pretty 'golden', though not often in the field of opera these days. Standards of vocal coaching have sadly declined: we can't even match the recordings of the 70s and 80s, let alone those of earlier periods.
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Kevin on Friday 13 September 2019, 12:01
I'm impressed with Bru zane, their standards seem thankfully quite high. They're doing a great job unearthing rare french operas, a particular favourite of mine is Gounod's Le Tribut Zamora and Saint-Saen's Ascanio on B records.
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 13 September 2019, 12:08
You're right. But they're probably spending rather more money...
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Kevin on Saturday 19 October 2019, 12:14
This is quite lovely. Very melodic and richly orchestrated. It's nicely dramatic in a Verdian vein I'd say(nothing wrong with that in fact it helps the work). I found it a better work than Il Guarany. Decently sung and conducted too. I'm greatly impressed with the work, I look forward to further listens.
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 19 October 2019, 18:41
I'm still unsure whether to buy this on account of the very provincial singing. Try track 12:
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/lo-schiavo/hnum/9426749 (https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/lo-schiavo/hnum/9426749)
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Mark Thomas on Saturday 19 October 2019, 23:05
I think the trick with so many of these recordings of unsung operas is to enjoy them for what they are, rather than pine for what they might have been. Surely it's better to have something than nothing, and that really would often be the alternative.
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 19 October 2019, 23:07
The problem for me is simply this: I'd listen to it once to find out what it's like and then never listen to it again because of the singing. As I said: try track 12. If you dare!
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 20 October 2019, 06:13
It's an irritation I appreciate, but I suppose you'll just have to be grateful for the ability to sample extracts online and resign yourself to more disappointment, as I doubt we'll see that many unsung opera recordings released with all high-ability casts.  For myself, I'd prefer a cup half full to no cup at all.
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Kevin on Sunday 20 October 2019, 08:03
QuoteI think the trick with so many of these recordings of unsung operas is to enjoy them for what they are, rather than pine for what they might have been. Surely it's better to have something than nothing, and that really would often be the alternative.

QuoteIt's an irritation I appreciate, but I suppose you'll just have to be grateful for the ability to sample extracts online and resign yourself to more disappointment, as I doubt we'll see that many unsung opera recordings released with all high-ability casts.  For myself, I'd prefer a cup half full to no cup at all.

Yep, I agree with this. I'm just grateful that I'm able to experience such obscure works while I'm still alive, I'm not getting any younger, bad performances or not.
Title: Re: Gomes Lo Schiavo
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 20 October 2019, 08:51
I guess it's the level of irritation that decides here. For me to cast such dreadful singers is inexcusable.