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Title: Catoire PC, Piano Quartet & Piano Quintet
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 17 November 2020, 20:30
...forthcoming from Capriccio:
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/klavierkonzert-op-21/hnum/10322248

(https://media1.jpc.de/image/w600/front/0/0845221054032.jpg)

Oliver Triendl's at it again...
Title: Re: Catoire PC, Piano Quartet & Piano Quintet
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Tuesday 17 November 2020, 23:02
All these works have been recorded before, of course (PC on Dutton with the PC No. 2 by Percy Sherwood; Piano Quintet on BIS with the C minor Piano Quintet Op. 18 by Ignaz Friedman; and Piano Quartet on Hyperion with the Piano Trio, Op. 14 and Elegy in D minor). But that does not make this present disk any less enticing. Oliver Triendl is a fine pianist, and it will be nice to have these pieces together on one disk.
Title: Re: Catoire PC, Piano Quartet & Piano Quintet
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 18 November 2020, 01:43
This is at least the third recording of the quintet, I think (there's a 2002 recording, issued in 2008, on the Aliud label.) For the piano quartet there's a 2001 recording on Brilliant Classics too. (I think this is only the 2nd (commercial?) recording of the piano concerto, though.) :)
Title: Re: Catoire PC, Piano Quartet & Piano Quintet
Post by: Christopher on Wednesday 18 November 2020, 15:25
Catoire wrote just one other orchestral work ("Mtsyri" symphonic poem"). It's probably the completist in me, but wouldn't those involved in both PC recordings be curious enough to record it too? (Admittedly I say this with no idea of how recording companies and orchestras work, so pace all!) Or maybe they did and it will one day appear on a separate CD.   Or maybe they looked at it and it's a dreadful piece!
Title: Re: Catoire PC, Piano Quartet & Piano Quintet
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 18 November 2020, 16:01
Indeed, good point. But this is clearly a 'piano-led' CD, and a very generous one.
Title: Re: Catoire PC, Piano Quartet & Piano Quintet
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 18 November 2020, 16:56
As both the Piano Quintet and Quartet seem to have passed me by, this is a very welcome release.
Title: Re: Catoire PC, Piano Quartet & Piano Quintet
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 18 November 2020, 19:59
QuoteCatoire wrote just one other orchestral work ("Mtsyri" symphonic poem")

I'm afraid you are wrong, Christopher. He also wrote a symphony in C minor, Op. 7 and it has been recorded on Dutton with Blumenfeld's symphony in C minor, Op. 39
Title: Re: Catoire PC, Piano Quartet & Piano Quintet
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 18 November 2020, 21:49
I'm told he wrote 2 symphonies but that might be mistaken... (I think more likely I misread something :) )
Title: Re: Catoire PC, Piano Quartet & Piano Quintet
Post by: Christopher on Thursday 19 November 2020, 11:44
Quote from: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 18 November 2020, 19:59
QuoteCatoire wrote just one other orchestral work ("Mtsyri" symphonic poem")

I'm afraid you are wrong, Christopher. He also wrote a symphony in C minor, Op. 7 and it has been recorded on Dutton with Blumenfeld's symphony in C minor, Op. 39

Sorry I should have worded that better - I ought to have said "one remaining unrecorded work".  There is also an older Melodiya recording of the symphony in addition to the Dutton one - both are rather good imho. 

Quote from: Alan Howe on Wednesday 18 November 2020, 16:01
Indeed, good point. But this is clearly a 'piano-led' CD, and a very generous one.

They wouldn't necessarily have to put it on the same CD - it could be recorded and then put aside for inclusion on another Russian-focused CD (for example) - that might even slightly increase profits better than if it was all on one CD (I for one would certainly buy both).  Academic anyway, and as I said I have no idea how record companies work.
Title: Re: Catoire PC, Piano Quartet & Piano Quintet
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 19 November 2020, 12:44
Perhaps Capriccio will do the Symphony and Mtsyri?
Title: Re: Catoire PC, Piano Quartet & Piano Quintet
Post by: Christopher on Thursday 19 November 2020, 16:16
Quote from: Alan Howe on Thursday 19 November 2020, 12:44
Perhaps Capriccio will do the Symphony and Mtsyri?

Oh really? Why so? Would be great!

(There's also a work for orchestra and women's chorus "Rusalka" (a cantata I think) but that's a different level of complexity in terms of staging/recording!)
Title: Re: Catoire PC, Piano Quartet & Piano Quintet
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 19 November 2020, 16:20
It's merely a logical next step...
Title: Re: Catoire PC, Piano Quartet & Piano Quintet
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 20 November 2020, 00:20
incidentally the symphony's manuscript seems to be @ FLP (they have "composed 1889 or 1899"; given that opp. 6 and 8 were published in/by 1897, I'm guessing 1889, but...) and St Pancras, & its 1961 published edition is at BNF. I'd have expected it to have been published by 1897 too from the opus number but maybe this fell through.
Title: Re: Catoire PC, Piano Quartet & Piano Quintet
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 20 November 2020, 00:24
the opus list I see has "Op.5 Rusalka [Русалка] (Lermontov), Cantata for Solo Voice, Women's Chorus and Orchestra (1888)", btw.
FLP has the piano concerto also, pub. 1912.
Title: Re: Catoire PC, Piano Quartet & Piano Quintet
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 20 November 2020, 00:46
According to Bolshakova's 2008 dissertation (https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.911.7393&rep=rep1&type=pdf) on Catoire's (edit) music with and for piano (available freely online for download), the cantata Op.5 has not been performed and was only published in vocal score. (This dissertation has been mentioned in an earlier thread on the composer, and contains material on each of these three works. I admit it's only of tangential relevance to the new recording, though. The piano quintet of 1914 waited until 1921 for publication, it seems, as did the piano quartet of 1916...)
Title: Re: Catoire PC, Piano Quartet & Piano Quintet
Post by: brendangcarroll on Sunday 31 January 2021, 11:19
A new CD featuring this work together with chamber works, was previewed on Record Review on BBC Radio 3 yesterday morning.

This is the link for the dsc:-

http://capriccio.at/georgi-catoire

The Piano Quartet in A minor, which was excerpted, was immensely attractive and a discovery for me. Does anyone know what the piano concerto is like? On the strength of the quartet, I am tempted to buy this disc.
Title: Re: Catoire PC, Piano Quartet & Piano Quintet
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 31 January 2021, 15:48
There's videos of the concerto on YouTube, and it also may be available on Spotify and whathaveyou?
Title: Re: Catoire PC, Piano Quartet & Piano Quintet
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 09 February 2021, 15:11
Please see this newly created thread on Catoire's Mtsyri:
http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,8153.msg85318.html#new
Title: Re: Catoire PC, Piano Quartet & Piano Quintet
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 18 February 2021, 23:20
Well, the performance of the PC is pretty breathtaking. Triendl is by turns heroic and sensitive and he has the benefit of the full-sized Berlin Radio Symphony Orchestra (Rundfunk-Sinfonieorchester Berlin) with its tremendous weight in tutti passages to accompany him. This is absolutely stupendous.
Title: Re: Catoire PC, Piano Quartet & Piano Quintet
Post by: semloh on Friday 19 February 2021, 22:46
How does the concerto here compare to the recording on Dutton, I wonder?
Title: Re: Catoire PC, Piano Quartet & Piano Quintet
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 19 February 2021, 23:08
I haven't done that yet, but I believe the Dutton's a good deal slower.